Sharkull Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 currency is just for simplicity, there is no such thing an "no currency" currency is whatever people are willing to trade for... fo rus its a bunch of worthless paperTry bartering at your local restaurant or market to feed yourself. Try bartering for building supplies at your local hardware store... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCalliton Posted November 15, 2009 Author Share Posted November 15, 2009 currency is just for simplicity, there is no such thing an "no currency" currency is whatever people are willing to trade for... fo rus its a bunch of worthless paperTry bartering at your local restaurant or market to feed yourself. Try bartering for building supplies at your local hardware store...like i said, currency is for simplicity. in our current social contract, money is the currency, and may be worthless in reality, symbolized a transaction of needed supplies that the government can siphon off of to fund our defences and whatnot. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagrant0 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Anarchy is what people choose when the only system in which they've lived is capitalism, and know nothing about true communism. Simply put, Anarchy is an ideal system only for those who are spoiled and know nothing of how the world really works. The modern adoption of anarchy is non-sustainable due to the often violent nature in which it presents itself. Even historically, it was never sustainable due to the constant disagreements with neighboring nations. Power means nothing when the hand that wields it is full of cracks due to the lawlessness which it oversees. A society capable of internal advancement and prosperity cannot exist without government law and people willing to follow that law. Government law cannot be enforced without the support and obedience of the populace. Democracy is the tower, and Anarchy is the wrecking ball, one exists only to destroy the other and solve nothing in the process. Although order can exist within Anarchy, it is much akin to the wreckage from that tower, broken, separated, without coherent form, and incapable of sustaining a society. True Communism on the other hand is the natural evolution Democracy, returning prosperity to those who work within it. If Democracy is the tower, True Communism is the community that springs up around it. The problem is that True Communism can never work in reality because people are too stupid, lazy, and greedy to keep it pure. Anarchy, doubly so. Maybe if we were knocked back to the stone age, anarchy might be a viable system, but that is only because power is less absolute and resources are scarce... Even then, it still isn't sustainable. Barter systems only work when there is comparable supply for the demand... You can't get a goat for a few bushels of wheat if the person selling the goat doesn't want your wheat, or simply decides to kill you and take the wheat while keeping their goat to trade to someone else. Every civilization which was able to sustain and thrive had a form of currency simply because there is always inconsistent supply for the demand, or demand for the supply. By having a currency, usually made of precious or semi-precious metals, a person could trade one object for a given quantity of that currency, then trade that currency for the goods and services they need, instead of bringing along that object around everywhere in hopes that someone offering the goods and services they need is interested in trading for that object. No offense, but the statement:currency is just for simplicity, there is no such thing an "no currency" currency is whatever people are willing to trade for... fo rus its a bunch of worthless paperonly suggests a total and complete ignorance of how any economy works. Even though the US is no longer on the gold standard, IE. each of those "worthless pieces of paper" being backed by a few ounces of gold, it does not mean that those pieces or paper are worthless. The US dollar is used as the primary currency for credit, oil, and many other commodities which are traded on the international market. In order for countries to buy those commodities, they need to exchange their own currency (which is backed by gold) for US dollars, which in turn gets transferred to the country that supplied that commodity, who then exchanges those US dollars for other commodities, or their own currency (which is backed by gold). I'm not going to go through the big huge lesson on how all this works, so if you're confused you'll have to do your own reading. Point is that a society of any size, stability, and prosperity cannot exist without an official currency, and that currency is only worthless if the country which backs it fails utterly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCalliton Posted November 15, 2009 Author Share Posted November 15, 2009 what makes gold worth anything? its just as worthless as paper money! its only our greedy minds and our love of shiney things that makes us think gold is worthwhile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagrant0 Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 what makes gold worth anything? its just as worthless as paper money! its only our greedy minds and our love of shiney things that makes us think gold is worthwhileLook it up... I'll give you a hint, it has something to do with the rarity of gold and how doesn't rust or deteriorate over time. I know where you're trying to go with this... but it really doesn't lead anywhere, and only shows a total lack of understanding how any economy functions. No offense. You may think you're sounding smart and may think that you're bringing up good points, but none of this is new or meaningful. I'm not going to sit here and explain how supply and demand or any of those other basic concepts work. Although you're not alone in being ignorant of how anything has a value, not understanding those basic concepts only proves my statement true; Simply put, Anarchy is an ideal system only for those who are spoiled and know nothing of how the world really works. You don't understand value because you likely only have experience being a consumer, and have no idea what things cost to acquire the raw materials for a good, produce that good, transport that good, and sell that good. You also probably have never thought about the costs of maintaining the livelihood of those involved with acquiring those materials, producing that good, transporting that good, or selling that good. This is because that system is extremely complex, is not immediately apparent, and requires a stable currency and energy structure to keep things running smoothly. The entire reason why we have a semi-stable industrialized society is possible is because this system exists. Without currency, only those people who performed all those tasks in house would have anything to trade... It's called subsistance for a reason. If you still don't understand why anything has value, take a breath and consider long and hard about what it is that happens when you breathe and what is needed to sustain it. Then consider how you get those things which are needed to sustain it, where those things come from, how they get to you, how those things are produced, what is needed to produce those things, what is needed to produce those things that produce those things... and so on... then consider that it was only one breath that required such a staggering amount of logistics and cooperation to be possible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoneyLogic Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 I think the first state that would "rise" an Anarchy, would be an easy victim for every other country, just because it simply does not have any military organisation (which are based on pure Authority). In real life Anarchy usually happens after a goverment has been destabilized, without filling the lack of power, e.g. by a militarian dictatorship ^^. If so you can watch people hustling through the streets looking for some booty. Those people will be there to plunder everything they can. Then they'll found armed groups to organize their pillages more successfully. After that, they most likely start trading slaves. And at least they take power and call themselves a goverment :P. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharkull Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Kudos to Vagrant0 for taking the time to explain all that in detail.:) calliton,If you want to learn about Anarchy, take a trip to Somalia and bask in the full glory of what you're preaching. Edit:Or perhaps watch a documentary on the Hurricane Katrina aftermath... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCalliton Posted November 15, 2009 Author Share Posted November 15, 2009 wow, this was not as much fun as i thought it would be... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Purplelizard Posted November 15, 2009 Share Posted November 15, 2009 Callito, Did you think Anarchy was going to be a beer and bongos? I agree the Kartina aftermath was a good example of total Anarchy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCalliton Posted November 15, 2009 Author Share Posted November 15, 2009 Callito, Did you think Anarchy was going to be a beer and bongos? I agree the Kartina aftermath was a good example of total Anarchy.the topic of anarchy is just so much fun at school Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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