JC Debunks Fallout Lore on City of Los

[jcdenton2012]

Here is a link to my youtube post about the City of Los, and how its recorded lore is incorrect. In this video I explain how Los Ybanez TX is not the City of Los in Fallout lore, but rather than it is actually Dallas TX. I want more people to chime in on this because I'm thinking about making something of a more direct challenge to Fallout: Wikia regarding this huge chunk of content. Please tell me what you think because I actually have to build this city for New Vegas and this is kind of important.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=djeJaRrxEGU

Edited June 5, 2014 by jcdenton2012

[dangman4ever]

Any chance you can just type this all down?

[jcdenton2012]

Sure, it just eats up time.

 

So, in the video you get to see how I took the skyline of "Los" shown in the Outro to Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel; and matched it up to the skyline of Dallas from one of its highway overpass bridges, where in Fallout:BoS the ghoul city was located. You can see how the skyline is a VERY close match. Later regarding the comparisons of the Outro "Los" skyline vs that of Dallas, this time from an 80 left rotation, I managed to once again match up the skyline to Denver, and to geographic land formations as shown in the Outro. These land formations are of a natural spillway, in the outro dried out leaving a sandy riverbed plus a hillside on both lower right hand corners of the images. The side images of both the "Los" skyline from the Outro and the real life "Denver" skyline were once again matches.

 

I also debunked Los Ybanez as the possible city for "Los" due to its geographic location and nonexistant infrastructure as shown in Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel. In short, Los Ybanez has no water access, skyscrapers, rail access, etc. Unlike, Dallas, which actually has all of these things, a name which over time could have easily become "Los," (Dallas=Las=Los), and matches all current factual lore including being off the Texas Coastline, being surrounded by mountains (when the surrounding lakes dry out), and being within adequate distance of the Town of Carbon as to make it probable. I also explain how Dallas has its infrastructure placed side by side as to mirror the level design of Los in Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel.

[dangman4ever]

Then what about these arguments for Los being Los Ybanez from The Vault wiki?:

 

* The Official Strategy Guide says on page 37, in the section named Goodbye Carbon: "Los, the ghoul city over the mountains." This indicates that in order to arrive in Los, the Initiate must go through mountains, and the only city being surrounded by mountains (Double Mountain) and that is necessary to borrow from Carbon with Los in its name in Texas is Los Ybanez.

* The confirmation that Los is surrounded by mountains is also visible in the ending of the game, when the player looks upon the destruction of the Secret Vault and Los from a nearby mountain.

* Other Texan cities with Los in their name are too far from Carbon (far south while Carbon is north), and have no surrounding mountains. They also all near the sea, but it has no presence of sea in Los.

 

 

With that said, you're not exactly the first person to argue that Los is an entirely different city:

http://fallout.gamepedia.com/Talk:Los

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Talk:Los

Nor would it be the first time an official strategy guide got some info wrong about a game.

 

[jcdenton2012]

I would argue that there is a great deal of contradiction between the amassed evidence. It is stated that the city is not near the sea, but it is near a body of water, thus the docks that appear in the actual game. The conclusion to this is that they are either near a natural waterway like a river or stream, or near a man-made or natural lake. Los Ybanez has no bodies of water remotely near it unlike Dallas which is inland from the sea and surrounded by several natural lakes.

 

As for the mountains, I've already explained this. If the natural lakes themselves dry out then the city appears to be sitting upon a plateau, and surrounded by mountains. If you were to match up the image of the skyline to the ending outro, the player would be standing at "Fish Trap Lake" (Dallas), specifically... on top of the ridge-line of the drainage aquaduct that leaves the city. If that aqueduct was empty and bone dry then you would see the creation of an optical illusion where it would look like the player was looking down upon the city from a mountain.

 

Also, geographically both Dallas and Los Ybanez are North of Carbon. I would also argue that they use the words "Over the mountains" and not "through the mountains." If you were to have double mountains with both sides being the opposites of the dried out water drainage leaving Dallas, then those would be mountains that the player has to go "over" instead of "through" in order to reach the city. But, that's being a bit of a grammer nazi.

[dangman4ever]

You do have a case. I'm not disagreeing with anything you've said so far. But I'm not exactly agreeing either.

 

I would recommend actually just typing all this down somewhere with your pictures (basically transcribing your video and cleaning up the language a bit) and post a link to that if you're going to challenge the wiki entries. It'll look a lot more professional and academic that way. In theory, you might have a better chance of getting the right info/weigh in if you contact the people over at the Vault wiki rather than Nukepedia since the The Vault Wiki (the gamepedia one) is a tad more official or reputable than Nukepedia (the wikia one). Here's why:

http://kotaku.com/5876097/fallout-wiki-founder-banned-from-wikia-for-promoting-curse

 

With that said, without someone who worked on Fallout: Brotherhood of Steel chiming in, this is still technically on the same level of speculation as you saw with both Fallout wikis in regards to Los IMO.