ALL MOD MAKERS, want to make some monies?

[Nymphielee]

To all competent mod makers,

Im looking to get a customized mod ;]

and because im a noob i need someone to do it for me.

i would like an estate with dogs horses pigs cows ect ill get into more detail when i speak to modders.

 

 

 

I think i need to explain more x]

i want this mod because i get simple pleasures about having a house thats 'mine'

i would like to add my dog and horse to the game because its just something i would enjoy.

im paying about 100$ for this mod, maybe more depending on how much i like the finished project.

i really hope someone decides to take this onboard.

[Argomirr]

It's illegal to charge money for mods, in case you didn't know. That's why all mods are free. That's why this isn't allowed.

 

But you may not have been aware of this.

[jaysus]

nonsense...

 

you dont pay for the mod afterall but for the service...

you dont break a law if you customize a '69 mustang either...

 

however most modders that actually work for money request between 10$/h and 50$/h in general, some less some more, depending on skill and commissions running and in my case depending on the wealth of the client...

 

if you want more info or contact to some good modders that may do so send me pm...

heck, ill just send you one right away :P

[LHammonds]

Yes, it is illegal to create a mod and ask money for it. However, this is not the case. Somebody is offering money in order to entice a skilled modder to create the mod he wants. He is paying for the modder's time...not the plugin.

 

I would hope that if a modder does decide to take this up will only make this available to the person paying for it...especially if it contains any content made by the community. There is not any problem using any resources uploaded here so long as it is not distributed publicly.

 

Regarding the actual exchange of the mod and money, we (Nexus staff) will not be involved...which includes complaints from either party. ;)

 

LHammonds

[jaysus]

I would hope that if a modder does decide to take this up will only make this available to the person paying for it...especially if it contains any content made by the community. There is not any problem using any resources uploaded here so long as it is not distributed publicly.

 

well i agree that public mods should in this case not contain any 3rd party content without their creators consent and a fair share of the honey pot

however why shouldnt it get a public release, even more so if its all original content?

 

releasing them publicly for money however is another topic which would then probably break a law, however what if the page offering them would only charge for the download and not the content?

hypothetically speaking lol, i dont intend to open such a page or somin... just checking how viable future business may be conducted, in the face of the ever growing world of DLCs this might be a market niche not yet filled though immoral of course :P

 

as i suggested before that could be done like 1(00percent)$ per mod, beth gets 15(per)cent, server/site owner gets 15(per)cent and the mod creator gets the rest (no clue how much to charge)... so everyone would be happy in the end...

 

this would also give many people who have a hard time getting into the asset creation business an easy way to gain that notorious "3yrs of professionel practice or equal" requirement most companies ask of their employees

 

well i think it may be worth a discussion, as i said i know its morally borderline to charge for mods

[Nexus Set]

...however what if the page offering them would only charge for the download and not the content?...

That is currently in practice now at the Nexus with premium members. They get download incentives for supporting the site but it is all voluntary. :thumbsup:

[jaysus]

true, however it only helps Dark0ne, probably to barely cover for the servers, dont know how much he makes, maybe hes sitting at his pool right now sipping on champagne (well i doubt it a bit lol),

 

but if a site like nexus would offer premium membership from a modders perspective too it may increase the will of some of them to create more and better mods aswell as it would increase the income of beth, dark and the modders... and modders usually can need those bucks as many of them obviously have too much time at hand probably because they dont have a real job, or not enough of that...

and somin like 1$ for a mod is imo not too much too ask in relation to the amount of work that goes into it... heck id be happy with 10 cent per download even lol (more is welcome of ourse :D)

 

so maybe make it: 1$ per download,

divided like that:

15 cent for beth to shut up,

15 cent for dark to buy more chamagne and marmite (i think thats what the brits put in their champagne instead of caviar),

50 cent for the modder,

10 cent for the playtester which i think would be important to ensure a steady quality level (might be moderators or chosen individuals),

10 cent for the moderator's coffeepot cause we want them to stay happy too... (would need to be split amongst them)

 

1$ is just an example atm as i am not sure how to set prices, 1$ general might be ok since better and larger mods usually get more downloads, however we also have those "cheap" mods that only take a few mins to assemle but still are vital for gameplay and get many downloads, dunno how to make this right, simply judging by the MB size is not valid imo as one migth be tempted to not optimize ones mod and fpr example use DXT5 textures instead of DXT1 which would slim the actual quality of the mod but increase income... hence it might be advisable that the playtester also makes a proposal on the price... however the price should always be lower than that of official DLCs imo, much lower if possible

 

the page could still house a free mod section imo, but we would have a premium mod section too just like turbosquid and co offer free and pricy models,

premium membership owners of now should get a discount on premium mods imo

 

would be nice to hear an opinion on that from the staff :)

im in if you need me for somin like that btw...

 

EDIT by LHammonds: Please create your own thread rather than taking over this one.

[Pronam]

15 cent for beth to shut up,

Lol

 

Regarding the actual exchange of the mod and money, we (Nexus staff) will not be involved...which includes complaints from either party

Not to kick you out of paradise, but that's true jaysus. The rules nexus would be bound to the first minute it starts to earn money in a different way will be a lot of trouble. All kinds of new laws would've to be kept strictly to. It's like someone trows a lawbook at your face the first second you get into a little bit of commercialism. Not to mention all the trouble there is if someone sold a mod that's not following the rules..who would be responsible? Nexus? The giving party? What if someone isn't satisfied? You can't 'return' a mod as the service is already delivered.

 

I think you'll only be able to ask for money in case you create models and textures from scratch and you might only be able to ask some for those.. So making them part of a mod (.esp) couldn't be done again as you need beth-tools and give it or take it you flow on the success of beth. I'm not even sure if it's possible to turn them into .nif files yourself. I think you have to ask the buyer to do it himself.

 

Yet, even all about this. Even so that it offers 'possibilities'. I don't think you'll be better off than with donations. Besides, money/bonuses have been proved to worsen quality and speed. I'm not talking 'open source', I'm talking about an economics class I had last week covering dozens of studies that proved that tasks dependent on additional 'money' rewards worsen quality and speed. That's applicable to real work, can you imagine what would make that of an hobby?

 

Still, if someone studies the UELA and finds a gap to earn money off. Congrats and please share it with us ;D.

[jaysus]

I think you'll only be able to ask for money in case you create models and textures from scratch and you might only be able to ask some for those.. So making them part of a mod (.esp) couldn't be done again as you need beth-tools and give it or take it you flow on the success of beth. I'm not even sure if it's possible to turn them into .nif files yourself. I think you have to ask the buyer to do it himself.

 

again, its not about selling the mod but offering it for download, hence you basicly pay for the ability to download it, not for the mod, selling the mod itself is as you said not possible as youd be selling code snippets that you dont own, (though this is debateable as you dont "sell" the snippets but something you made from it, similiar to a construction company selling a house made of concrete)

well its just a technicality but seems totally legal to me...

 

actually beth wouldnt need those 15cents at all but it could avoid a resulting law suit which beth would loose but which still would be an annoyance

 

of course that would bring alot of work in terms of law security and financial management

 

as for hobby/job

i dont see a difference here, for me a job has to be fun and if my hobby is my job its all cool, of course its not as funny as plain hobby since you have to write bills, pay taxes and have to watch quality more closely

 

would be interested to hear some of those studies you mentioned about worsened quality :)

sounds interesting,

in terms of having a 3rd party like a publisher for example who makes strict deadlines it can always dimish quality but from a producers point of view does it really? why?

 

@mod not following rules:

thats why i want a mod tester to ensure a steady quality level, repeated offences or a regular low quality would result in the modder being kicked out of the "premium mods relationship"

 

@someone not being satisfied:

well thats a service question, how does itunes for example handle it?

can you return a song? i dont think so actually but i might be wrong, never used em...

 

@responsibility

depending on the offence either the author or the site owner, cant generalize here

if for example the mod was payed for but the download doesnt work its the site owners responsibility.

if the mod doesnt work its that of the mod tester who should stop the mod from being published right away.

of course this is usually, at least here in germany, handled differently, for example if a buidling collapses the architect is held responsible even tho the authorities checked and permitted the building (imo total nonsense but thats the reality, we need to check the laws in the servers location to make sure of that)

 

there are actually quite many examples of similiar businesses like ebay or all those trading forums, just nothing for customized electronic entertainment products yet, its really an open market waiting to get claimed since the growing individualization of our society creates the need for individual entertainment which generic games for example simply can not fill

[theuseless]

While I have no time to help with the making of your mod, it might help to give a more detailed description. You never know, somebody might even do it for free.

 

off topic: You should not entice money out of your pockets. Don't get these guys thinking about how to market mods. The service they provide is awesome. And as I hear it, Dark0ne had to come out of pocket this last year to pay for the servers. As soon as I get some free bucks, I'm gonna get a lifetime membership to here.

 

theuseless