MisterMolecule Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 I have a persistent caliper bug issue. Resetting the loot list in the fran menu and waiting for X+1 days, making sure there are no NPCs in the player owned house with me (starting over if a follower from enhanced daedric invasion caught up with me while waiting) has not worked. So, I installed wrye bash, hoping the mythical bashed patch would do the trick. I learned a little about it and tried making one. It fixed my googly eye issues! The people of Elsweyr: Deserts of Anaquina can now see straight. Its a miracle I still have a caliper bug. I really miss bandits with weapons and armor. I'd settle for vanilla equipment if I had to, I just want them to have something besides calipers, arrows and potions. and leather pants I've played with my load order a ton, I've tried starting new characters, Waited X+16 days, I even installed MMM for Frans, just to see what would happen. Calipers, Calipers, Calipers. Is there a mod that lets you use calipers to gouge out your own eyes? Here's my latest load order, but I've tried many, many combinations, especially involving Tamrielic Ingredients for Frans, which doesn't show up in Wrye Bash in the bashed patch menu as a leveled list contributor, which makes me suspicious. (I've tried removing it, but always there are calipers) Oblivion.esm Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm Francesco's Optional New Creatures Add-On.esm Jog_X_Mod.esm Better Cities Resources.esm Tamrielic Ingredients.esm TamrielTravellers.esm DA Run Fatigue.esm Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm Easy_Companion_Share.esm HorseCombatMaster.esm Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp nVidia Black Screen Fix.esp UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp Better Cities .esp Natural_Weather_HDR+Darker_Nights_2.1.2_bugfree.esp weather inside [silent seasons] v1.2.esp Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp AmbientTownSounds.esp MIS.esp MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp Book Collection.esp Brighter_Torches.esp FlyingCameraMod.esp ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp Fatality Cam.esp GuildOwnership1.2.esp Inebriation.esp C&C - The Blackwood Company.esp Hov's Hotkeys.esp PersuasionOverhaul.esp MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp CapesandCloaks.esp Mage Ward.esp M.O.E. - New Staffs, Blight and Ashstorms.esp M.O.E. - Playable Scythe.esp M.O.E. - Unlocked Palace Guard Armour.esp M.O.E. - Unlocked Dremora Armour and Robes.esp M.O.E. - Unlocked Glenroy and Captain Renault Blades Armour.esp M.O.E. - Better Icon for Script Effects.esp Fran_Lv30Item_Maltz.esp LuckBasedLootForFrans.esp 300_White Stallion 4.esp ArianaTrudeaux.esp AyleidArrows.esp Basement_Bravilhouse V1-0.esp Better Rosethorn Hall.esp Break Into the Arcane University.esp Darbinshire Keep.esp Extended Imperial City Version 1.0.esp Fort Falkenshire.esp Fort Krakatus.esp Fort_FerrionV11.esp Gelden_Halls.esp Gift of Kynareth.esp JolardHome.esp EiAmod.esp LetThePeopleDrink.esp M.O.E. - Tools of Kagrenac - The Secret of White Gold Tower.esp M.O.E. - The Black Sacrament - Night Mother's Ritual.esp ROHJ - Wing Sword.esp Ruins of Tarnesia.esp TheStorytellersBrotherQuest.esp Thievery.esp Tomb of the Unknown Knight.esp Torynwyll.esp Arena Blacksmith.esp M.O.E. - Visit Valen Dreth Topic.esp Consequences.esp Mighty Umbra.esp Blood&Mud.esp The Lost Spires.esp road+bridges.esp mythsandlegends.esp Oblivion Gate Map Marker Remover.esp JQ-Fighters_Guild_United.esp Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp Harvest [Flora].esp Better Dark Brotherhood Sanctuary.esp Birthsigns Expanded.esp Cliff_BetterLetters.esp Elys Invest More.esp Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 DT.esp Exterior Actors Have Torches 1.3 DT.esp M.O.E. - Bone Names and Priced Skull.esp M.O.E. - Lucien Lachance Rumors Fix.esp M.O.E. - Icons for Mythic Dawn Armour - Fix.esp M.O.E. - Lycanthropy and Lichcraft.esp M.O.E. - New Classes.esp MarkerExplore.esp P1DkeyChain.esp Regional Legion Soldiers by Ionis.esp Ring of console.esp Quest Award Leveller.esp Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp DA Fatigued Running.esp DA ReducedBackwardsRunningSpeed.esp DA Sprint.esp RealisticForceMedium.esp Natural Hunger v2_0 by QF.esp Real Injury.esp Jump_Adjustment-2211.esp RealSleepExtended.esp M.O.E. - Vampire Clan Raelu.esp M.O.E. - Vampire Players Scarier.esp Better Scrolls.esp M.O.E. - Ethereal State Spell.esp M.O.E. - Levitation Magic.esp M.O.E. - Lock Spells.esp M.O.E. - Teleportation Magic and Icarian Flight.esp MidasSpells.esp Toaster's Brutal Stealth.esp M.O.E. - Realistic Law Enforcement - Part One.esp M.O.E. - Realistic Law Enforcement - Part Two.esp sycHearNoEvil.esp kuerteeCrimeHasWitnesses.esp Vows and Covenants.esp kuerteeNPCsYield.esp Enhanced Grabbing.esp NaturalMagicSkillsInceases_v2.0.esp Kobu's Character Advancement System.esp Kobu's 3x Slower Skills Mod.esp Governing Attributes Overhaul.esp M.O.E. - Unlocked Hairstyles.esp LifeDetect Shader.esp Better Potions and Poisons.esp Amulets3.esp Average_Evidence.esp Francesco's 7 days respawn time - 1-12 day lenght rescale.esp Better Dark Brotherhood Sanctuary - Tripwires Stylized.esp Francesco's Optional Files.esp betterskullofcorruption.esp Better Abandoned House.esp Stylish Jump.esp Compass_Marker_Reducer.esp Continuing Oblivion Gates.esp DD__Poison_Apple_Creator__Fix.esp darkarrow.esp dbpoisonapple.esp DB_NightMotherMoney2k.esp LoadingScreenQuotes.esp Fort_Charrish_v11.esp UOP-Optional Quests Patch.esp FranSeducerScriptFix.esp hft.esp Arena_BattlesV1.1.esp LFox Expensive Arena Gambling.esp JumpingZd.esp Jumpmore Fatigue Cost Reduction ONLY v1.esp Archmage Chest Item Duplicator.esp Krystina's EnchantArchMageRobeHood.esp Krystina's EnchantTweakAndPotionConsumption.esp Krystina's MiscTweaks.esp LongerUnconscious.esp Mage Guild Teleport v1.3.esp ChangeIllusionStartSpellCalmToCharm.esp MagicRevisedMysticism.esp Even More AI Eating.esp Insane Spellcaster AI.esp Not a Bedroll.esp Tamrielic_Ingredients_Fran.esp geomancy.esp MannimarcoRevisited.esp MannimarcoWardrobeChest.esp Servant of the Dawn.esp Mouth of the Serpent.esp Vampirism2.0.esp Skillbased Thieves Guild Invitation.esp Lem - Bounty Reduction Over Gametime.esp AddSpells.esp GoldAdjustment.esp Leveled Shadowmere.esp StopDarkBrotherhood.esp SaddleBag_noMenu.esp sycSHOUT.esp ElsweyrAnequina.esp xulAncientRedwoods.esp xulAncientYews.esp xulArriusCreek.esp xulBlackwoodForest.esp xulBravilBarrowfields.esp xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp xulChorrolHinterland.esp xulCloudtopMountains.esp xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp XulEntiusGorge.esp xulFallenleafEverglade.esp xulImperialIsle.esp xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp xulLushWoodlands.esp xulPantherRiver.esp xulRiverEthe.esp xulStendarrValley.esp xuldarkforest.esp xulTheHeath.esp xulRollingHills_EV.esp xulPatch_AY_AC.esp EtInArkay-BravilBarrowfields patch.esp EtInArkay-ColovianHighlands patch.esp LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp Anequina-Fallenleaf-Patch.esp NRB4+UL-II+LtPD Patch.esp BarrowFields-Blood&Mud-Patch.esp LastUnicorn.esp WindowLightingSystem.esp RAEVWD Imperial City.esp TamrielTravellers.esp TamrielTravellersItemsnpc.esp Raiders of Cyrodil.esp Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp No Quest Items [v.1.0].esp Better Cities - Full City Defences.esp Better Cities Full - B&M Edition.esp Better Imperial City.esp Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp Better Cities - Thievery.esp NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp SpreadingVampirism.esp ScriptEffectSubduer.esp CDM-NPC Sundamage.esp MannimarcoComplete.esp ElaborateEyes-RensBeautyPackFull.esp Race&Lore.esp ahtata dremora.esp Banes Blade of Woe Replacer.esp No More Annoying Comments.esp NoGuildmasterKick.esp NPCs Alive - Faregyll Inn.esp NPCs Alive - Goblins.esp NPCs Alive - Imps.esp NPCs Alive - Orges.esp NPCs Alive - Imperial Legion Foresters.esp NPCs Alive - Bandits.esp NoLoad.esp za_less_NPC_conversations.esp DropLitTorchOBSE.esp Dark Dungeons.esp Dude Wheres My Horse.esp Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed block and 150% damage.esp DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp My bashed patch doesn't show up here, but I promise I'm using it. Maybe I set it up wrong? Is there a special bashed patch configuration for frans that I should use? Is bashed patch a red herring, and my problem is elsewhere?Edit: Hrm, I may not have applied all the appropriate bash tags. Frans experts: any tips? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZareCograth Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 Ok, just to be sure, did this problem happen after getting Frans, or did Frans work properly until now? Have you downloaded and installed anything other then Frans before this happened? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterMolecule Posted February 17, 2010 Author Share Posted February 17, 2010 Ok, just to be sure, did this problem happen after getting Frans, or did Frans work properly until now? Have you downloaded and installed anything other then Frans before this happened? Yeah, definitely the notorious Frans Caliper Bug. One of my crazy mods must be causing a conflict, but I didn't notice when it happened, so it could be anything. That's just it; I know Frans used to work, but when the problem began I didn't notice that items were being replaced by calipers, so I just kept on adding mods like nothing was wrong. By the time I realized that the missing equipment and the calipers were the same problem, I was mired pretty deep in it. In short, I have no idea what mod is causing the conflict, because I wasn't paying enough attention to the bandits inventory until now. But check out my mods. There's nothing that touches leveled lists, according to the readmes anyway, other than to add to them. Unless you can spot something... Perhaps I'm never truly alone in my house because some EDI NPC is forever following me but unable to reach me. no, that's not it: I've tried new characters that have the same problem. Anyway, when I uninstall Frans, everything goes back to normal (bandits have equipment, no calipers), if that helps answer your question. The calipers are only coming from frans, and the normal advice to fix the bug isn't working. I know I'm not the only one with this problem, judging from the forums, but I've never read a satisfactory solution Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZareCograth Posted February 17, 2010 Share Posted February 17, 2010 Well, start with the basics then. Uncheck all of the mods, and start adding a few at a time, and check until you find out which one is conflicting with Frans. It may take a while, but you'll be able to find out which of the mods started it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MisterMolecule Posted February 17, 2010 Author Share Posted February 17, 2010 Eureka! I just fought Nineos the Bandit Bowman, and he had on the silliest Frans Helm I've ever seen. He also had a BOW! The problem was fixed, I hope, because I removed Maltz Lvl 30Items Sigh. Now I'm one of those people who doesn't know how to add items to leveled lists. Back to the wrye bash read me... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balakirev Posted February 18, 2010 Share Posted February 18, 2010 Loot table issues. If the problem reoccurs, try bringing up the console in game by typing ~, then type: StartQuest FransMenu Hit enter, and exit the console. That'll bring up Frans' menu, and you can reset things. See if that fixes the problem. It sometimes works, but by no means always. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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