Very strange texture issue

[ShaithisFerenczy]

ok so...after installing certain mods, moira browns shop, the npcs in megaton and the traders outside rivet city all have the red triangles, purple arms and in moiras shop, the lockers,workbench etc have constantly changing textures. If i pull out a gun and fire, it will have no sound and i cant access my menus then the game crashes shortly after

 

i cant remember all the mods it happens with as there have been quite a few but i just tried h.e.r.k,point look out reborn, the pipboy hi res texture and the fallout wasteland expansion mod. i thought maybe my d/l of nmcs texture pack had been corrupted so i tried it again and the issue is still there. as soon as i uninstall one of the mentioned mods, its all going 100% perfectly again, 60+ fps, the lot. have tried toggling archiveinvalidation to no avail.

Load order is as follows:

Fallout3.esm
Anchorage.esm
ThePitt.esm
StreetLights.esm
BrokenSteel.esm
PointLookout.esm
Zeta.esm
Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch.esm
iHUD.esm
The Librarian.esm
TalonExtraArmor.esm
CRAFT.esm
CALIBR.esm
xCALIBR.esm
CRAFTHelper.esm
Weapon Repair Kits - Final.esm
AWorldOfPainFO3.esm
TheInstitute.esm
Alton, IL.esm
EVE.esm
Apocalypse Armory.esm
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esm
FWE - Combat Overhaul_Core.esm
Mart's Mutant Mod.esm
DCInteriors_ComboEdition.esm
Sharing and Caring Companions.esm
RH_IRONSIGHTS.esm
Abbreviated Effects.esm
VanessaFollower.esm
Imperfection.esm
AlienResurrection Part 1.esm
Point Lookout Reborn by Jcro25.esm
BetterGamePerformance.esp
DarNifiedUIF3.esp
Max Level 99 V2.esp
CASM.esp
CRAFT - Workbench and Crafting Expansion combined.esp
TinCanCRAFTing.esp
CRAFT - Clutter Conversions.esp
More Hotkeys.esp
Overhead3PCamera.esp
RH_IronSights_Basic_VanillaPlugin.esp
RH_IronSights_Basic_AnchoragePlugin.esp
RH_IronSights_Basic_PittPlugin.esp
RH_IronSights_Basic_BrokenSteelPlugin.esp
RH_IronSights_Basic_PointLookoutPlugin.esp
RH_IronSights_Basic_ZetaPlugin.esp
RH_IronSights_Pitt_NewRifleSights.esp
RH_IronSights_RemoveReticule.esp
RH_IronSights_PL_NewItems.esp
PCB.esp
GeneratorSound.esp
UPP - Pack 1.esp
UPP - Pack 2.esp
UPP - Experience Perks.esp
UPP - Beverage Perks.esp
Dree Perks.esp
Dree Perks Anchorage.esp
Dree Perks Pitts.esp
Dree Perks Broken Steel.esp
Dree Perks Point Lookout.esp
Dree Perks Mothership Zeta.esp
Combat Style Perks.esp
AQFH.esp
AQFH2.esp
AQFH_C_103.esp
NotSoFast.esp
PLweightadjust.esp
PLFewerItems.esp
Shadows and Dust - Southwest DC - Public.esp
The Mantis Imperative - Mantis.esp
The Mantis Imperative - Jello.esp
BoSPatrols.esp
Glow Sticks.esp
Laurens_Bathroom_poetry_V1.esp
mazas_campfire.esp
Chems and Meds Re-Textures Pack.esp
BlackWolf Backpack.esp
BlackWolf Backpack - Blank's Container Patch.esp
MoreMapMarkers.esp
Treasure Maps_Underground.esp
Treasure Maps_Secrets of the Wasteland.esp
Treasure Maps_A Fist Full of Caps.esp
bzArmour.esp
Named Wasteland.esp
MTC Wasteland Travellers.esp
NPC Height Randomizer.esp
More2Megaton.esp
megalight.esp
Apocalypse Armory.esp
Apocalypse Armory - DLC Enhancements.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Anchorage.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC The Pitt.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Broken Steel.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Point Lookout.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Mothership Zeta.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Optional VATS Realtime.esp
FWE - Combat Overhaul_Equipment.esp
WeaponModKits.esp
WeaponModKits - FWE Master Release.esp
WeaponModKits - OperationAnchorage.esp
WeaponModKits - ThePitt.esp
WeaponModKits - BrokenSteel.esp
WeaponModKits - PointLookout.esp
WeaponModKits - Zeta.esp
HZ_M92SE.esp
Dogmeat Leather Armor - no crafting.esp
Dragonskin Tactical Outfit.esp
jotoughgirlFO3.esp
Scout Outfits.esp
WasteWearGloves.esp
CALIBR Ammo Schematics - CRAFT.esp
Burnification.esp
Scavenger World - Updated v0.08.esp
Salvagable cars.esp
AfrosNukaCola.esp
FalloutFood.esp
FalloutFoods - FWE Master Release.esp
Water Bottles 3000.esp
Gunfire Sound Range Increased.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Anchorage.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC The Pitt.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Broken Steel.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Point Lookout.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Zeta.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Zones Respawn.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Tougher Traders.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Natural Selection.esp
Mart's Mutant Mod - Master Menu Module.esp
MMM - FWE_Combat Overhaul Master Release.esp
LucyWestCompanion.esp
BLTC.esp
BLTC Immersion Patch.esp
BLTC Less Addictions.esp
BLTC No Visual Effects.esp
BLTC No Overdosing.esp
KillableChildren.esp
KillableChildren - MMM.esp
Portable Camp.esp
RaiderExpanded[M&W].esp
VATS - MCE.esp
VatsLongerDistance.esp
WRK Final - Plugin.esp
3day interior resets.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
LED pipboy light.esp
Realistic Interior Lighting.esp
Realistic Interior Lighting - BS.esp
Realistic Interior Lighting - OA.esp
Realistic Interior Lighting - PL.esp
F3ProjectRealityMkI.esp
CRAFTHelper_ReplaceWorkbenchScript.esp
CRAFTHelper_ReplaceWorkbenchScriptFWE.esp
CRAFTHelper_Vanilla.esp
CRAFTHelper_WCE.esp
CRAFTHelper_FWE.esp
CRAFTHelper_WMK.esp
CRAFTHelper_AS.esp
CRAFT - WCE Warmonger Addon.esp
EwwGhoulyBody.esp
xCALIBRammo_FWE.esp
Compatibility_Plugin_TalonExtraArmor_FWE_BrokenSteel.esp
Compatibility Plugin00 TalonCo & Marts.esp
Laulas More Food.esp
The Club House at Beth Ruins.esp
FO3 Error Fixes.esp
Flora Overhaul.esp
FalloutFood - Dialogue Mode.esp
2Perks Per Level.esp
Starlight.esp
MetroCars.esp
DYNAVISION - Dynamic Lens Effect.esp
H&K PSG-1 Sniper Rifles.esp
Caravan Tracking.esp
More Food - Broken Steel Patch.esp
More Food - Distributed.esp
MMM - Stank's Eggs + Vendor v 1-4.esp
Samurai Edge Wesker Edition.esp
The Traveler Project.esp
AltonAddon.esp
Springvale Chem Lab.esp
Shadows and Dust - Volume 2.esp
OldWorldSecretsV1.2.esp
DCXpanded - US.esp
Follower - Willow.esp
StashAway.esp
Kat_Companion.esp
Kat_Hair_Russet.esp
RaiderExpanded.esp
FO3 Wanderers Edition - Controller Assistance.esp
Daves Republic Guards Respawn.esp
AzarGypsyOutfits.esp
AzarGypsyOutfits_Malika.esp
BottleRefill.esp
FortIndependenceTalonAttacked_v08.esp
FortIndependenceRaiderAttacked_v08.esp
FortIndependenceEnclaveAttacked_v08.esp
FO3 Realistic Wasteland Lighting.esp
Fallout World Expansion.esp
Mergedpatch.esp

Total active plugins: 202
Total plugins: 202

[Billy1969]

You hit the mark where your game will behave like that, skipping textures, crashing, and more due to the sheer number of mods you have, I count 202, that's too much even for a very well tweaked and stable system. At one point I had 198 and same thing occured, I had to get down to 187 and that's the maximum limit for my system to behave correctly, I go up to 188 and strange thing start to occur, like crashes on fast travel for example, go up to 189-198 and it occurs more and more frequently. For other less stable systems this esp number goes even down more before crashes start

 

There are ways to decrease your load order by merging many .esp into one, mine is at 187 now with many many merges, but if you never did this before read google about it and tutorials as you can screw your game up badly if you make an error

[ShaithisFerenczy]

thats what i thought but then i remembered it doing this back when i installed my first couple of mods last month on the new pc :/

[ShaithisFerenczy]

ok i've tried merging esps and its worked!, think itd be best if i merge a few more, what ones would you recommend i merge going by my load order? iv done ultimate perk pack into 1 and rh ironsights into another

[Billy1969]

ok i've tried merging esps and its worked!, think itd be best if i merge a few more, what ones would you recommend i merge going by my load order? iv done ultimate perk pack into 1 and rh ironsights into another

 

Careful merging perk packs, I merged the Ultimate one and Dree's Perks all in one BUT doing so will have all perks that have floating variables set these to value 0 ! This doesn't make your game crash BUT you can face a terrible problem later on that will leave you baffled for a solution, in my case it made me give up on my first character I played for over 250 hours and restart a new game lol.

 

Because it happened again with the next one and I didn't want to give up this time I looked for days and I found out that merging the perks was the culprit. For example I had merged my perks and I have perks that make my damage with weapons go up the more kills you get with a type of weapon, for example if I kill 1000 ennemies with small weapons I would get 10% additional damage, in the perk formula there was a floating variable of 1.10 but merging it made it a 0 (zero) so you guessed it, once I hit the 1000 mark all my small weapons had damage output of ZERO rendering them useless!!! To fix that I had to correct my perks line per line and correct every floating variable comparing them to the original non merged ones! And that was again days in real time work in FO3Edit....

 

In your load order I merged all the DLC files of MMM into one and some of FWE into one also, but again carefull, if merges cannot be made the utility will tell you, never merge esp's that contain the same records, the tool will spawn a warning so respond no when it wants to rename a record to something else, it will break your esp

 

I don't use Ironsights but I guess you could merge all those into one also, same thing for the CRAFT, Real Interior Lighting and WMK ones, I also made three merged files that contain 90% of housing and quest mods I use, however if you do so you will have to redo the quests and lose everything and all loot you got from them. I also merge every weapon mod in one file and every clothing in one file per body type, for example : Type6merged.esp, Type3merged.esp

 

To save even more space you could directly include or override dependent plugins with their master in FO3Edit and make only one esp or esm out of them. For example your have Kat Companion and an additional esp that changes her hair, open these in FO3Edit and just copy the info that's in the hair file to the main file and then you can safely delete the hair file and gain another slot, there are many possibilities but eventually you will hit the maximum barrier again as I did lol

 

Edit: There are mods that absolutely don't work if merged, they're not many but they exist and merging them anyway will yield no warning whatsoever but they won't work in your game, you will have missing objects, fall through the floor etc... and if they're not merged they're fine. So it's good to always have a backup, remember that, always backup multiple copies + at least a thousand saves lol

Edited July 4, 2014 by Billy1969

[ShaithisFerenczy]

Brilliant, thats confirmed what i worked out :) yeah i tried merging better life through chems and it said it had to rename it so i cancelled (glad i did). As for the perks i only merged UPP's esps into one and kept Dree seperate (again the renaming thing) so far its all going grand!

 

i'll do all the ones you recommended except FWE as that mod is the core of my game and i dont like to mess with it! I havent started the quest for heaven series on this playthrough so i guess i'll merge them seeing as they're quite big mods.

i use CASM so i have about 2000 saves atm lol been playing this char for 31 hours now and shes only just hit level 11, my game is stupidly hard :P, only way it would be harder is with Arwens Realism Tweaks but sadly it doesn't work with FWE and thats a mod i cant live without :P

Thanks a lot for the all info, it's greatly appreciated, espcially as the original problem i had was really starting to bug me lol