MidbossVyers Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 who is just as much a segregationist as Ulfric Brunwulf isn't a segregationist. Not by a longshot. He just realises his city is full of bigoted Nords like Rolff and Angrenor who would probably treat the Argonians even worse than the Dunmer. Brunwulf also probably doesn't particularly want to rock the boat until he's addressed bigotry against the Dunmer. Also, how will the Argonians and Dunmer treat each other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoneWolfEburg Posted January 12, 2015 Share Posted January 12, 2015 (edited) I'd say that more or less the same as they do in Riften, although a more pro-Stormcloak interpretation would posit violence, riots and stuff since Windhelm is, as can be plainly seen, not Riften - or, at least, something in-between the two. Edited January 12, 2015 by LoneWolfEburg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraquar Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 People will never get it. Talos is the protector and patron of just rulership and civil society, and the Empire of their own free will felt obligated to negotiate that belief right out of the hearts and minds of the Skyrim people. It's no wonder Windhelm is the powderkeg it is, especially considering it was THE waystation for the exodus from Red Mountain - the ancient seat of Skyrim, where the heroes returned from slaying the Elves and making Skyrim sovereign territory of the Nords. Duh, it's supposed to be a powderkeg - and Brunwulf is an idiot thinking Windhelm is supposed to be Mayberry RFD. Apparently he forgot there is this whole Civil War thing going on, and a rebellion of the outlaw of Talos worship...... Brunwulf = Dumba55. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lachdonin Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 People will never get it. Talos is the protector and patron of just rulership and civil societyHe's actually a war-god, patron of warriors and the glory of conquest... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GetTheJojDone Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 (edited) People will never get it. Talos is the protector and patron of just rulership and civil society, and the Empire of their own free will felt obligated to negotiate that belief right out of the hearts and minds of the Skyrim people. Wrong on both counts. Nope, Stendarr's the god of mercy and just rule. And the Empire didn't give up Talos of their own free will. Hell, they continued to privately worship him till Ulfric started stirring the faeces and the Thalmor cracked down, likely just as they'd planned. Brunwulf is an idiot thinking Windhelm is supposed to be Mayberry RFD. Apparently he forgot there is this whole Civil War thing going on, and a rebellion of the outlaw of Talos worship...... War doesn't give a ruler leave to ignore every other aspect of governance. Ulfric doesn't care that there's a murderer on the loose in his city, all he cares about is the High King's throne. Honestly, it speaks more to me of Ulfric's obsession with gaining power than Brunwulf being a "dumbass". And it's a fairly interesting juxtaposition, you extolling Talos as the god of just rule, then trying to excuse the Stormcloaks for not ruling justly. Not to mention, they want to kick the Empire, Tiber Septim's creation, out of Skyrim, maybe even destroy it entirely. It's extreme hypocrisy. Edited January 18, 2015 by GetTheJojDone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVampireDante Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Not to mention, they want to kick the Empire, Tiber Septim's creation, out of Skyrim, maybe even destroy it entirely. It's extreme hypocrisy. The thing is with this, is that Ulfric (and many other Nords) don't see it as that Empire anymore. It's viewed as a watered down, pathetic and weak shadow of what it once was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lachdonin Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Not to mention, they want to kick the Empire, Tiber Septim's creation, out of Skyrim, maybe even destroy it entirely. It's extreme hypocrisy. The thing is with this, is that Ulfric (and many other Nords) don't see it as that Empire anymore. It's viewed as a watered down, pathetic and weak shadow of what it once was.Which, to be entirely honest, it is. But that was ongoing well before the Oblivion Crisis hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVampireDante Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Indeed, so if the trend kept up after that, and continued on that kind of downward slope at a fairly even pace ( not helped by a few major historical events along the way) - then imagine how far it's fallen since then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lachdonin Posted January 18, 2015 Share Posted January 18, 2015 Yeah, Tiber Septim's Empire kind of died with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GetTheJojDone Posted January 19, 2015 Share Posted January 19, 2015 (edited) Not to mention, they want to kick the Empire, Tiber Septim's creation, out of Skyrim, maybe even destroy it entirely. It's extreme hypocrisy. The thing is with this, is that Ulfric (and many other Nords) don't see it as that Empire anymore. It's viewed as a watered down, pathetic and weak shadow of what it once was. They do, but that's still pretty outrageous, when you think about it; "the Empire did something I don't like, so I'll spread propaganda about how weak it is." I personally agree with Alvor in Riverwood - Nords aren't fair-weather friends, and they shouldn't act like them. The loss of Talos was just as much of a blow to the Imperials and Bretons, but they're soldiering on. There's no real reason the Nords shouldn't do the same. At the end of the day, they all want and are working towards the same end (the restoration of Talos worship, as soon as the Empire is strong enough to stand up to the Dominion). The Stormcloaks are (intentionally or otherwise) sabotaging any attempts at recovery by the Empire. Not to mention, they want to kick the Empire, Tiber Septim's creation, out of Skyrim, maybe even destroy it entirely. It's extreme hypocrisy. The thing is with this, is that Ulfric (and many other Nords) don't see it as that Empire anymore. It's viewed as a watered down, pathetic and weak shadow of what it once was.Which, to be entirely honest, it is. But that was ongoing well before the Oblivion Crisis hit. Not really, no. Uriel VII's Empire was on a high ebb, which had been building up since the reign of his great uncle Uriel VI. Even after the Simulacrum, Uriel managed to restore order. Yeah, Tiber Septim's Empire kind of died with him. Again, no, Uriel's reign is proof to the contrary. Everything was going swimmingly till his assassination. Edited January 19, 2015 by GetTheJojDone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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