Lachdonin Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 200 miles, 13 weeks? At Njimegen, we covered 1/2 that distance in just 4 days, with loaded rucks. 2 weeks tops, assuming you are having to fight off wolves 3-4 times a day. On horseback, even if he's pulling a wagon - 10 days tops. That stretch from Riverwood to Whiterun is about as flat as it gets. Riverhold, not Riverwood. Riverhold is the northren most city in Valenwood. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valkasha Posted August 19, 2014 Share Posted August 19, 2014 Hey, I live in Nijmegen, high five! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidbossVyers Posted August 20, 2014 Share Posted August 20, 2014 The Empire has more resources, troops, money, and infrastructure than the Stormcloaks. However, all that is just built on more blood. And yes, the Markarth Incident may have been carried out by Ulfric, but it was ordered by an Empire-supported Jarl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GetTheJojDone Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 (edited) The Empire has more resources, troops, money, and infrastructure than the Stormcloaks. However, all that is just built on more blood. And yes, the Markarth Incident may have been carried out by Ulfric, but it was ordered by an Empire-supported Jarl. Wrong. It wasn't ordered by anyone. Ulfric was basically just a mercenary captain with an agenda at the time and the decision to attack Markarth was his alone - after all, if he was successful he could refuse to hand Markarth back to Jarl Hrolfdir until Talos worship was reinstated. And he did just that. Even if the incident itself was condoned by the Empire, the atrocities Ulfric committed once he was inside the walls were his idea, and certainly not authorised by anyone else. So don't pretend the Stormcloaks are innocent (and let's not forget the squalid conditions Ulfric inflicts on the Argonians and Dunmer in Windhelm, among other displays of his bigotry). Edited August 23, 2014 by GetTheJojDone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidbossVyers Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 All firsthand accounts said that the Jarl was responsible. Ulfric was not Jarl at the time. Also, this may be just game-and-story segregation, but you do realize that the only vacant house in Windhelm is the murder house, correct? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GetTheJojDone Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 (edited) All firsthand accounts said that the Jarl was responsible. Ulfric was not Jarl at the time. Also, this may be just game-and-story segregation, but you do realize that the only vacant house in Windhelm is the murder house, correct? And what firsthand accounts are those? Yeah, Hjerim, I know. But it's not so much about where they live as why Ulfric let the Gray Quarter fall into such a sorry state in the first place. These are poor refugees who evidently need Ulfric's help to get on their feet and build a more respectable home for themselves, which clearly, he hasn't done. And if Brunwulf and the Dunmer in Windhelm are to be believed, Ulfric deliberately neglects them, and non-Nords in general, for example, there are comparatively few guard patrols in the Gray Quarter, he refuses to let Argonians inside the city, and he continues to allow Galmar's brother and a few other Nord supremacists wander around the Gray Quarter at night and yell racial slurs. He also allegedly refuses to respond to bandit raids or the like in his hold unless Nords were attacked (again, according to Brunwulf). Edited August 23, 2014 by GetTheJojDone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidbossVyers Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Most governments in wartime do not have extra resources to divvy to refugees. Yes, but Galmar's brother was discharged from the official army for a reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GetTheJojDone Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 (edited) Most governments in wartime do not have extra resources to divvy to refugees. Yes, but Galmar's brother was discharged from the official army for a reason. I can't find any evidence for that, his dialogue doesn't indicate he was ever in the Stormcloaks, or any army, or ever been anything other than a drunk layabout, for that matter. Edited August 23, 2014 by GetTheJojDone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kraeten Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 (edited) Brunwulf himself admits as Jarl of Windhelm it isn't as easy as simply letting the Argonians into the city, on account of their history as slaves to the Dunmer. As for Ulfric's innocence in the Markarth incident, speak to all of the prisoners in Cidhna mine. The only authority figure that's mentioned is the Jarl. There's no mention of Ulfric whatsoever. He isn't the villain of the story. The worst crime he's guilty of is turning a deaf ear to the foreigners in Skyrim. Meanwhile the Imperials are more than willing to torture prisoners, that is if they don't feel like letting the Thalmor do the dirty work instead. Edited August 23, 2014 by Kraeten Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GetTheJojDone Posted August 23, 2014 Share Posted August 23, 2014 Brunwulf himself admits as Jarl of Windhelm it isn't as easy as letting the Argonians into the city, on account of their history as slaves to the Dunmer. As for Ulfric's innocense in the Markarth incident, speak to all of the prisoners in Cidhna mine. The only authority figure that's mentioned is the Jarl. There's no mention of Ulfric whatsoever. Brunwulf actually says it's because he fears that the Nords will commit violence against them. And IIRC, the prisoners in Cidhna Mine don't talk about the Markarth Incident, they only talk about why they were imprisoned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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