fraquar Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 (edited) Between cities, only if you are talking about travelling say between Riften and say, Markarth - where the stops in between allow for fresh horses, new carriage if necessary, etc. Travelling between say Riften and Windhelm, no advantage whatsoever - since there is no stops in-between where the caravan can leverage the assets of the network. Get into trouble north of Shor's Stone (which doesn't have a caravan network), the best you can do is travel there and solicit the help of the local blacksmith. Either that, or send a messenger to Windhelm, which if you believe what I said about Tamriel not being anywhere near as large as people tout is a realistic proposition. Edited September 6, 2014 by fraquar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraquar Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 The Pony Express was very effective when the riders didn't have problems with their horses BETWEEN stops...... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nudedragon Posted September 6, 2014 Share Posted September 6, 2014 What do you mean by "everyone". Rabbit/thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iXenite Posted September 7, 2014 Share Posted September 7, 2014 (edited) 200 miles, 13 weeks? At Njimegen, we covered 1/2 that distance in just 4 days, with loaded rucks. 2 weeks tops, assuming you are having to fight off wolves 3-4 times a day. On horseback, even if he's pulling a wagon - 10 days tops. That stretch from Riverwood to Whiterun is about as flat as it gets. Trucks=/=Horse Drawn carriage. There were people walking beside the carriage as well, like the Khajiit caravans. Plus, didn't Barenziah take all of the side roads (thus extending the journey a bit) to avoid toll roads? Also, horses and people need to rest and gather supplies. You can't just rush over there without a care in the world. Edited September 7, 2014 by DaddyDirection Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraquar Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 (edited) Trucks? We marched 25 miles a day - with loaded RUCKS. A ruck is a backpack. It's hard on you, won't lie about that, but I'd gather the troops in the age of Skyrim were cut from a tougher cloth than we are today. I mean even Hannibal's troops averaged 10+ miles per day for 5 months, and that includes moving an entire army and it's war machinery, and crossing the Alps....... Edited September 8, 2014 by fraquar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iXenite Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 Trucks? We marched 25 miles a day - with loaded RUCKS. A ruck is a backpack. It's hard on you, won't lie about that, but I'd gather the troops in the age of Skyrim were cut from a tougher cloth than we are today. I mean even Hannibal's troops averaged 10+ miles per day for 5 months, and that includes moving an entire army and it's war machinery, and crossing the Alps.......Okay, my bad. I thought it said rucks - I guess I didn't see the word close enough. My apologies. Either way though, I suppose that there were a lot more civilians in the caravan, plus the way they took was supposed to be a huge territory for thieves and bandits if I recall correctly. Maybe that slowed them down. I also think it could be the difference between moving in an organized and quick paced style like in the military compared to traveling in a slower paced merchant caravan way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lachdonin Posted September 8, 2014 Share Posted September 8, 2014 I mean even Hannibal's troops averaged 10+ miles per day for 5 months, and that includes moving an entire army and it's war machinery, and crossing the Alps....... Exactly, when you have somewhere to be, you tend to move faster. Barenziah's caravan made no noted stops from Whiterun to Sunguard (south East of Iverstead) and it took them some time. They deliberately avoided way-stations and towns to prevent from having to pay tolls, meaning they would have had limited supplies on hand and would have been required to make the best time possible in order to turn a profit. It does seem i got the time-table wrong though. Barenziah also left her 'guardians' in early Spring. It took them a day to reach Whiterun, where they stayed for a week before signing on to the Caravan. They then made it to Sunguard, where they stayed for a few weeks (2-4 is usually the best estimate of a 'few') before leaving, but did not make it to Riften until WINTER. The journey from Whiterun to Riften is measured in MONTHS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fraquar Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 Are you serious? If the commanding General says move a legion to Skyrim, you have somewhere to be........ Were you ever in the military? Can you even rationalize military thinking? If it takes 4 guys to load a truck and you are the only one there, you load it!!! Don't have time to wait for the other 3 guys - by then it's way too late. We had 96 hour ARTEP's when I was in, you didn't sleep for 96 hours. Basically convoyed for 96 hours straight. Was it safe? Hell no!!!! Was it realistic? Hell yes, war doesn't wait for safe....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lachdonin Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 (edited) Are you serious? If the commanding General says move a legion to Skyrim, you have somewhere to be........ Were you ever in the military? Can you even rationalize military thinking? If it takes 4 guys to load a truck and you are the only one there, you load it!!! Don't have time to wait for the other 3 guys - by then it's way too late. We had 96 hour ARTEP's when I was in, you didn't sleep for 96 hours. Basically convoyed for 96 hours straight. Was it safe? Hell no!!!! Was it realistic? Hell yes, war doesn't wait for safe.......First off, yes, I have been in the military. Second, you obviously don't understand how command works (I am assuming this is in regards to the Legions slow response to the Foresworn uprising, which I need to point out again happened DURING the Great War)... A General doesn't just get to decide where to send people, and redeploying troops not under your command without authorization, regardless of rank, is treason. Third, I don't see the point of the arguement. We are talking about a CIVILIAN CARAVAN not a military one. If we were talking about the military taking 4 months (minimum, 5-6 seems more likely to cover 3 entire seasons) to cover the distance with only 2 skirmishes, it would paint a far, FAR larger picture of Skyrim. He'll, in 4 months The Black Prince was able to burn half of France to the ground, siege 13 castles and 9 major cities, and win 4 major battles. Edited September 11, 2014 by Lachdonin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fgambler Posted September 11, 2014 Share Posted September 11, 2014 This conversation got weird. Please keep this about Skyrim. I played the game 7 or 8 times already and I only joined the Stormcloaks once just to see their questline. The Empire was really weakened after the war with the Thalmor, but their only way to come back is to keep the unit. At the end of the Legion campaign, Tullius says the Empire is planning to drive away the Thalmor from Tamriel. And maybe the death of Titus Mede II wasn't only political, but a change in command the Empire needed to start taking action. Ulfric is just a puppet in the hands of the Thalmor, they released him because they know the civil war just weakens Skyrim and the Empire. By the way I see more people joining the Legion instead of Stormcloaks, the only thing that's really bad is the Stormcloaks' racist behavior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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