Random CTDs despite no BOSS errors & bashed patch.

[bbe]

Hello all, I've recently decided to boot oblivion back up since skyrim's release (so yeah been a while) and went around installing the recommended mods as well as a handful of my own personal choices. I used mod organizer, ran BOSS, made a bashed patch. Saw no errors, for VRAM and performance plugins I use OSR, Purger, and ENBoost which seem to do the job well enough as I can often play without a hitch for extended periods of time. However those periods almost always end with a CTD that isn't reproducable, and although I have had long sessions my latest was for example only 5 minutes before crashing. I often get them while loading into cities after long walks through the forests but I can just as well get one while swinging a mace at a necromancer or casting a spell, it seems to be completely random.

 

I'm just wondering if anyone could take a look at my load order and see if there's something I missed or some huge incompatibility that I nor BOSS wouldn't have picked up on. Thanks for any replies

 

load order::

 

 

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Oblivion.esm

All Natural Base.esm

Cobl Main.esm

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm

Mart's Monster Mod.esm

Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm

Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm

Better Cities Resources.esm

CM Partners.esm

Toaster Says Share v3.esm

Knights - Revelation.esm

HorseCombatMaster.esm

Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp

UOPS Additional Changes.esp

UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp

Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp

DLCShiveringIsles.esp

Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp

USIPS Additional Changes.esp

Better Cities .esp

Natural_Weather_HDR_by_Max_Tael.esp

Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp

All Natural.esp

All Natural - SI.esp

All Natural - MMM Patch.esp

Immersive Interiors.esp

Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp

OBGE - Liquid Water.esp

Sounds of Cyrodiil.esp

All Natural - Real Lights.esp

Reznod_Mannequin.esp

Enhanced Economy.esp

DropLitTorchOBSE.esp

Map Marker Overhaul.esp

Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp

DLCHorseArmor.esp

DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCOrrery.esp

DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCVileLair.esp

DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCMehrunesRazor.esp

DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp

Sounds of Cyrodiil - Mehrune's Razor Add-On.esp

DLCSpellTomes.esp

DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp

MaleBodyReplacerV5.esp

DLCThievesDen.esp

DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp

Sounds of Cyrodiil - Thieves' Den Add-On.esp

Cobl Glue.esp

Cobl Si.esp

Cobl Tweaks.esp

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp

OOO-Water_Weeds.esp

OOO-Map_Markers_Stock.esp

OOO-No_Guild_Ownership.esp

OOO-Armor_Perks_WearRate_Repair.esp

OOO-BirthSigns.esp

OOO-Combat_Skills_Perks_Marksmanship.esp

OOO-DaedraLord_Quests.esp

OOO-Dangerous_Traps.esp

OOO-Deadly_Combat.esp

OOO-DLT_Immersion.esp

OOO-Magic_Effects+Enchantments.esp

OOO-Magic_Effects+Spells.esp

OOO-Magic_Game_Settings.esp

OOO-Potions.esp

OOO-ThiefGuild_Difficult.esp

OOO-Container_Trap_Instant_Effects.esp

Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Less Rats.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Less Reavers.esp

Mart's Monster Mod for OOO - LessReaversInGates.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - No Beholdens.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Spawn Rates - Reduced.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - More Passive Wildlife.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Friendlier Factions OOO.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Wisp and VASE Addon.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Creatures Expansion.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - RadiantAITweaks.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Mummies.esp

MMM4OOO&FCOM- Slofs Horse & DLC Armor.esp

00RBScribeSupplies Intensive.esp

00RBScribeSupplies02, read summary.esp

BrotherhoodRenewed.esp

Kvatch Rebuilt.esp

Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp

Malevolent.esp

Servant of the Dawn.esp

VaultsofCyrodiil.esp

DLCBattlehornCastle.esp

DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCFrostcrag.esp

DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp

Knights.esp

Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp

Knights - Revelation.esp

Mart's Monster Mod for OOO - Knights .esp

Sounds of Cyrodiil - KOTN Add-on.esp

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul - Knights of Nine.esp

TOTF.esp

RTT.esp

The Lost Spires.esp

Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp

MannimarcoComplete.esp

Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp

ReclaimSancreTor.esp

xuldarkforest.esp

LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp

xulStendarrValley.esp

xulTheHeath.esp

xulEntiusGorge.esp

xulFallenleafEverglade.esp

LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp

xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp

xulChorrolHinterland.esp

xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp

xulBravilBarrowfields.esp

xulLushWoodlands.esp

xulAncientYews.esp

xulAncientRedwoods.esp

xulCloudtopMountains.esp

RST+Cloudtop Mountains.esp

xulArriusCreek.esp

xulPatch_AY_AC.esp

xulRollingHills_EV_withoutWheat.esp

xulRollingHills_EV.esp

xulPantherRiver.esp

xulRiverEthe.esp

xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp

xulImperialIsle.esp

xulBlackwoodForest.esp

xulCheydinhalFalls.esp

TearsOfTheFiend-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp

KvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp

xulAspenWood.esp

xulSkingradOutskirts.esp

RST+Skingrad Outskirts.esp

xulSnowdale.esp

OOO-Snowdale patch.esp

xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp

OOO-CliffsOfAnvil patch.esp

MannimarcoResurrection-CliffsOfAnvil patch.esp

MMMDungeons-CliffsOfAnvil patch.esp

RST+Cliffs of Anvil.esp

xulSilverfishRiverValley.esp

xulJerallGlacier.esp

OOO-JerallGlacier patch.esp

xulTheEasternPeaks.esp

MannimarcoResurrection-EasternPeaks patch.esp

RST+Cheydinhal Falls.esp

Better Cities - House Price Patch.esp

Natural_Vegetation_by_Max_Tael.esp

Harvest [Flora].esp

Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp

Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp

Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp

P1DkeyChain.esp

Enhanced Economy - House prices.esp

Quest Award Leveller.esp

Quest Award Leveller - Battlehorn Castle.esp

Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp

Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp

Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp

Alternative Beginnings.esp

Alternative Beginnings - Kvatch Intact.esp

Basic Primary Needs.esp

LTDVampireOverhaul.esp

hilarity_121.esp

Mysterious Bear's Epic Necromancy + EM.esp

SupremeMagicka.esp

SM_ShiveringIsles.esp

SM_DLCSpellTome.esp

SM_OOO.esp

SM_MMM.esp

SM_COBL.esp

SM_AbsorbRestoration.esp

SM_EnableCharmChameleon.esp

SM_EnableRestoreEnchanting.esp

SM_NoPoisonLevitationEffects.esp

SM_EnchantStaff.esp

SM_NoSpellLights.esp

SM_Scrolls.esp

SM_SigilStone.esp

MidasSpells.esp

Reanimate Spell.esp

RenGuardOverhaul.esp

Archery Rebalance.esp

OOO-Level_Normal.esp

ScriptEffectSubduer.esp

CM Partners.esp

Toaster Says Share Faction Recruitment.esp

CM Partners Special NPCs.esp

CM Partners NPC NE.esp

CM Partners More NPCs NE.esp

1em_Vilja.esp

1em_Vilja_OCOV2.esp

nu_dwarven_f_cuirass.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp

Oblivion_Character_Overhaul.esp

Better Cities Full.esp

Better Cities - IC Imperial Isle.esp

Better Imperial City.esp

Better Cities - All Natural.esp

Better Cities - Reclaiming Sancre Tor.esp

Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp

Better Cities - Ruined Tail's Tale.esp

Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp

Better Cities - Tears of the Fiend.esp

Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp

Better Cities - Unique Landscape Panther River patch.esp

Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp

Better Cities - The Lost Spires.esp

Better Cities - COBL.esp

Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp

OOO-Respawn_Two_Week.esp

OOO-Magic_Script_Effect_Fix.esp

UnEssentialAfterQuest.esp

Purger.esp

Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp

All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp

Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed block and 150% damage.esp

Deadly Reflex 6 - HeX NifSE Patch.esp

SM_DeadlyReflex.esp

Mounted_Spellcasting_Deadly_Reflex_Compatible.esp

DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.esp

Bashed Patch, 0.esp

Edited August 10, 2014 by bbe

[Sergio1992]

Ok, let's start, but first:

> Use wrye bash to remove the mods, do not do it manually. So you go into the installer tab and click uninstall from there. So at least you won't have to reinstall everything.

> Remove:

Natural_Weather_HDR_by_Max_Tael.esp

You already got all natural, why would you use natural weather.

> Remove:

OOO-Water_Weeds.esp

OOO-Map_Markers_Stock.esp

OOO-No_Guild_Ownership.esp

OOO-Armor_Perks_WearRate_Repair.esp

OOO-BirthSigns.esp

OOO-Combat_Skills_Perks_Marksmanship.esp

OOO-DaedraLord_Quests.esp

OOO-Dangerous_Traps.esp

OOO-Deadly_Combat.esp

OOO-DLT_Immersion.esp

OOO-Magic_Effects+Enchantments.esp

OOO-Magic_Effects+Spells.esp

OOO-Magic_Game_Settings.esp

OOO-Potions.esp

OOO-ThiefGuild_Difficult.esp

OOO-Container_Trap_Instant_Effects.esp

They are already bundled in OOO 1.35, hoping you are using that one and not 1.33 or 1.34 beta 5.

> Remove :

OOO-Respawn_Two_Week.esp

OOO-Magic_Script_Effect_Fix.esp

Already inside OOO 1.35

> Remove:

OOO-Level_Normal.esp

You know why. ahah

> Remove: Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul - Knights of Nine.esp
You don't need it if you use the martigen plugin (and you are using it)

> Remove: P1DkeyChain.esp
Causes savegame bloating

> Remove:

Quest Award Leveller.esp

Quest Award Leveller - Battlehorn Castle.esp

Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp

Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp

Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp

And sub them all with Aulias.

> Remove one of these:

Alternative Beginnings.esp

Alternative Beginnings - Kvatch Intact.esp

> Remove:
VaultsofCyrodiil.esp and use the version bundled with better cities.

> Remove:

Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp

You use better cities. Better cities adds his own city defences.


Please, read the readme. There are many mods that I do not know and they are probably clashing. I urge you to read the readme. For example, why would use natural water and liquidwater together. Makes no sense.
You have the skyrim approach, add everything at once without reading the stuff. Read the damn readmes.

Edited August 11, 2014 by Sergio1992

[bbe]

Thanks for all that, I am using 000 135 but I don't know where I got these addons from seeing as this was all recently downloaded. As far as natural environments + all natural I picked up on it myself last night, I was convinced that natural environments didn't modify weather and only modified, well, the environment :tongue: but some were downright embarassing oversights (natural waters + liquid water...go me)

 

Everything seems to be in order now so far and the rest of the plugins should not be clashing as I do usually read the readmes but tend to gloss over them for graphic related mods.

 

 

Only problem I am running into now is that my previous save CTDs on load if I try to disable Natural Weather HDR.esp. I have removed natural waters without a hitch and would like to keep the other two options (vegetation and wildlife), but can only get back into the game if I keep Natural Weather HDR enabled alongside All Natural. Making a new game does not make me crash but I'd rather keep going with the current save.

 

Seems to be working now after some fiddling.

 

Thanks again Sergio1992

Edited August 11, 2014 by bbe

[Sergio1992]

ah, and remove Enhanced daedric invasion. I saw that now. Or you'll regret having it installed sooner or later.

Also, I would sub reneer guard overhaul with another mod, or add SDR (sneaking detection recalibrated + the patch made for Reneer) to fix it.

[bbe]

What's wrong with enhanced daedric invasion?

 

I'll check out SDR though as it stands I don't play a sneaky char so the whole following me around thing is a non-issue.