Game crashes upon startup

[TwistedSisler]

So I believe I solved the problem with my DLC's not working, but now I have another problem. With all my mods installed, the game crashes upon startup whenever I enable Archive Invalidation. If I do not use it then I can play, but obviously things are very wrong and I have missing textures and such. These are the mods I have installed. I was wondering if anyone could tell me what the problem might be.

 

[X] Fallout3.esm

[X] Anchorage.esm

[X] ThePitt.esm

[X] BrokenSteel.esm

[X] PointLookout.esm

[X] Zeta.esm

[X] Project Beauty HD version.esm

[X] CRAFT.esm

[X] CALIBR.esm

[X] ArefuExpandedByAzar.esm

[X] FOOK2 - Main.ESM

[X] FOOK2 - [*censored*] World And Neighbourhood Kit.esm

[X] FOOK2 - [DIK] DLC Improvement Kit.ESM

[X] FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esm

[X] Mart's Mutant Mod.esm

[X] Enhanced Weather - Rain and Snow.esm

[X] StreetLights.esm

[X] DCInteriors_ComboEdition.esm

[X] Project Beauty- Broken Steel.esp

[X] Project Beauty- Point Lookout.esp

[X] DarNifiedUIF3.esp

[X] Fellout-pipboylight.esp

[X] CRAFT - Activation Perk.esp

[X] GalaxyNewsRadio100[M].esp

[X] ArefuExpandedByAzar-Radio.esp

[X] CONELRAD 640-1240.esp

[X] FO3 Wanderers Edition - Project Beauty.esp

[X] FO3 Wanderers Edition - Project Beauty (HD Addition).esp

[X] FO3 Wanderers Edition - Project Beauty (Followers Enhanced B-S).esp

[X] UPP - Pack 1.esp

[X] UPP - Pack 2.esp

[X] UPP - Original Perks.esp

[X] UPP - Experience Perks.esp

[X] UPP - Quest Perks.esp

[X] UPP - Beverage Perks.esp

[X] BlackWolf Backpack.esp

[X] Treasure Maps_Underground.esp

[X] Treasure Maps_Secrets of the Wasteland.esp

[X] Treasure Maps_A Fist Full of Caps.esp

[X] MTC Wasteland Travellers.esp

[X] Canterbury Boomtown.esp

[X] UndergroundHideout.esp

[X] DCInteriors_DLC_Collectables.esp

[X] Megaton House and Theme Overhaul.esp

[X] FOOK2 - Main.esp

[X] PB FOOK2 - Main.esp

[X] FOOK2 - [EVE] Energy Visuals Enhanced.esp

[X] FOOK2 - [DIK] DLC Improvement Kit.esp

[X] PB FOOK2 [DIK].esp

[X] FOOK2 - Mothership Zeta.esp

[X] MyFOOK2 - No Rape Victims.esp

[X] FOOK2 - Main [Hotfix].esp

[X] FOOK2 - DIK [Hotfix].esp

[X] FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esp

[X] FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Anchorage.esp

[X] FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Broken Steel.esp

[X] FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Mothership Zeta.esp

[X] FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Point Lookout.esp

[X] FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC The Pitt.esp

[X] FO3 Wanderers Edition - Followers Enhanced (BrokenSteel).esp

[X] FO3 Wanderers Edition - Optional Worn Weapons.esp

[X] FO3 Wanderers Edition - FOOK Support.esp

[X] FWE - Weightless Ammo.esp

[X] WeaponModKits.esp

[X] WeaponModKits - FWE Master Release.esp

[X] WeaponModKits - OperationAnchorage.esp

[X] WeaponModKits - ThePitt.esp

[X] WeaponModKits - BrokenSteel.esp

[X] WeaponModKits - PointLookout.esp

[X] WeaponModKits - Zeta.esp

[X] WeaponModKits - FOOK.esp

[X] WeaponModKits - FWE Optional Worn Weapons.esp

[X] ACU Battle Armor.esp

[X] CALIBR Ammo Schematics - CRAFT.esp

[X] Burnification.esp

[X] Mart's Mutant Mod.esp

[X] PB MMM HD.esp

[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Anchorage.esp

[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC The Pitt.esp

[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Broken Steel.esp

[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Point Lookout.esp

[X] Project Beauty- Point Lookout MMM.esp

[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - DLC Zeta.esp

[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - No Size Scaling.esp

[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - Hunting & Looting.esp

[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - Tougher Traders.esp

[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - FOOK2.esp

[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - FOOK2 - DIK.esp

[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - FWE Master Release.esp

[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - Project Beauty.esp

[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - Project Beauty + FWE.esp

[X] Mart's Mutant Mod - Project Beauty (HD Addition).esp

[X] BM08RandomBobbleheadsFixed.esp

[X] TL_Color.esp

[X] Enhanced Weather - Rain and Snow in Fallout.esp

[X] Enhanced Weather - Rainbows.esp

[X] Enhanced Weather - Weather Sounds in Interiors.esp

[X] Enhanced Weather - Sneak Bonus during Storms.esp

[X] Fellout-Full.esp

[X] Fellout-BrokenSteel.esp

[X] Fellout-PointLookout.esp

[X] Fellout-Zeta.esp

[X] FWE - FOOK DLC Support.esp

[X] FOOK+FWE+PB+MMM.esp

[X] FWE-FOOK bullets projectiles.esp

[X] Mez's Merged Patch 5-0 - DLC-FWE-WMK-MMM.esp

[X] Choose your own hairstyle (load this last on FOMM).esp

 

It's a lot I know, but I have run this game in the past with all of them. This is a problem that is new to me. I think I may have installed something incorrectly by accident, but I really don't know what. I have a few non-esp mods as well to include NMC's Textures, a Pipboy Retex, random clutter textures and Idle Animations.

 

Again:

 

1. Game runs fine with mods enabled and no Archive Invalidation (aside from the obvious)

2. Once Archive Invalidation is enabled, the title screen flips screens once then crashes before the cursor and options come up

[Fonger]

Important Notes

 

* Once you've "Activated" ArchiveInvalidation Invalidated! you do not need to keep it running to receive its effects or activate it again when adding/removing textures ect.

* ArchiveInvalidation Invalidated! will set bInvalidateOlderFiles to 1, on some computers setting bInvalidateOlderFiles to 1 in Fallout 3's ini will cause the game to crash on startup, at the moment it is unknown why this happens and there is no solution yet, unfortunatly you'll have to do without ANY modified original content since bInvalidateOlderFiles needs to be set to 1 to use any.

from the notes on Archive Invalidadation Invalidated

[TwistedSisler]

Important Notes

 

* Once you've "Activated" ArchiveInvalidation Invalidated! you do not need to keep it running to receive its effects or activate it again when adding/removing textures ect.

* ArchiveInvalidation Invalidated! will set bInvalidateOlderFiles to 1, on some computers setting bInvalidateOlderFiles to 1 in Fallout 3's ini will cause the game to crash on startup, at the moment it is unknown why this happens and there is no solution yet, unfortunatly you'll have to do without ANY modified original content since bInvalidateOlderFiles needs to be set to 1 to use any.

from the notes on Archive Invalidadation Invalidated

 

 

I'm really not sure that I understand what that means. Doesn't the first statement and the second statement contradict each other, or is the first statement just saying that you can close the program after you activate it? Also, this is the first time this has ever happened to me after many installs and on the same computer.

 

idk, I'm really not ready to give up quite yet.

[CrusaderBin]

Important Notes

 

* Once you've "Activated" ArchiveInvalidation Invalidated! you do not need to keep it running to receive its effects or activate it again when adding/removing textures ect.

* ArchiveInvalidation Invalidated! will set bInvalidateOlderFiles to 1, on some computers setting bInvalidateOlderFiles to 1 in Fallout 3's ini will cause the game to crash on startup, at the moment it is unknown why this happens and there is no solution yet, unfortunatly you'll have to do without ANY modified original content since bInvalidateOlderFiles needs to be set to 1 to use any.

from the notes on Archive Invalidadation Invalidated

 

 

I'm really not sure that I understand what that means. Doesn't the first statement and the second statement contradict each other, or is the first statement just saying that you can close the program after you activate it? Also, this is the first time this has ever happened to me after many installs and on the same computer.

 

idk, I'm really not ready to give up quite yet.

 

It means, that yeah, you can close the program once activated.

 

And it also means, that on some PC's that won't work and you will never be able to play mods.

 

BUT I don't think that's the case, you have lots of mods. Try (just to test) to enable just one mod and running it.

[TwistedSisler]

Important Notes

 

* Once you've "Activated" ArchiveInvalidation Invalidated! you do not need to keep it running to receive its effects or activate it again when adding/removing textures ect.

* ArchiveInvalidation Invalidated! will set bInvalidateOlderFiles to 1, on some computers setting bInvalidateOlderFiles to 1 in Fallout 3's ini will cause the game to crash on startup, at the moment it is unknown why this happens and there is no solution yet, unfortunatly you'll have to do without ANY modified original content since bInvalidateOlderFiles needs to be set to 1 to use any.

from the notes on Archive Invalidadation Invalidated

 

 

I'm really not sure that I understand what that means. Doesn't the first statement and the second statement contradict each other, or is the first statement just saying that you can close the program after you activate it? Also, this is the first time this has ever happened to me after many installs and on the same computer.

 

idk, I'm really not ready to give up quite yet.

 

It means, that yeah, you can close the program once activated.

 

And it also means, that on some PC's that won't work and you will never be able to play mods.

 

BUT I don't think that's the case, you have lots of mods. Try (just to test) to enable just one mod and running it.

 

Here are a few things I have found out from troubleshooting. Maybe someone with more experience than me will pick up on one of these issues.

 

- If I run the game with mods enabled and Archive Invalidation on then it crashes

- If I disable all mods through FOMM except the vanilla content and leave Archive invalidation on then it crashes.

- If I turn off Archive Invalidation (regardless of what mods I have enabled) then it will not crash. (but mods obviously don't work properly)

 

- I have installed this game before many times on this computer with many mods and it has run just fine until now.

- The only additions I have made to the mod list is Megaton House Overhaul and FWE, but I have double checked all the craziness as far as installation and making it compatible with FOOK2, MMM, PB, and WMK. I can't seem to find any mistakes on my part, but that doesn't mean there aren't any.

 

- I have discovered some discrepancies in my mod list however. I did not realize that I did not need Fellout anymore because it came with FOOK2, but that should not have anything to do with my problem because I have been running them both just fine.

 

It almost seems like I have a mod in my load order that relies on some resources that have been overwritten by another mod. That is about the only thing I can think of, but I have no way of knowing where the trouble maker is. I have literally disabled every mod one by one and the crash remains as long as Archive Invalidation is enabled. The ONLY other thing I can think of is that when I installed my game this time around, I deactivated and reactivated Archive Invalidation after every large mod and every couple smaller ones. Not sure if that would cause this issue, but again, I'm just shooting at stars here.

 

I really do not want to have to uninstall/reinstall the game yet again, but if anyone thinks that doing so may fix this problem then I will resort to that if need be. Thanks for the help given so far and thank you in advance for anyone else willing to lend a hand with this issue.

 

 

On a separate note, just to cover all my bases, does anyone know of a good (and updated) tutorial for installing all the major mods together? I run FOOK2, PB (HD), MMM, WMK, and FWE.

[CrusaderBin]

Well, try looking at this:

 

http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=10167

 

this:

 

http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=4968

 

and this:

 

http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=637

 

You can use those to resolve some compatibility problems.

Try making a merged patch and running FOMM in Master Update mode after that.

 

Try downloading latest version of this too: http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=944 than disable and enable it before everything else though.

It wouldn't hurt to download LATEST version of FOMM too: http://www.fallout3nexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=640

 

Just read description in links and some redmes in Files tab and you should know everything.

[Fonger]

Here are a few things I have found out from troubleshooting. Maybe someone with more experience than me will pick up on one of these issues.

 

- If I run the game with mods enabled and Archive Invalidation on then it crashes

- If I disable all mods through FOMM except the vanilla content and leave Archive invalidation on then it crashes.

- If I turn off Archive Invalidation (regardless of what mods I have enabled) then it will not crash. (but mods obviously don't work properly)

 

- I have installed this game before many times on this computer with many mods and it has run just fine until now.

everything you've posted confirms that you have this documented bug

 

Assuming that you are correct that this has worked properly for you in a previous install . . .

 

that leaves very long involved detective work to discover the problem

 

something you have changed in your hardware/software between the last time it worked and now has caused this bug to surface

 

This means that the bug is not caused by your selection of mods or the order in which they are installed

 

The bug is caused by your operating environment

 

{or it would have been solved before instead of becoming a "documented bug"}

 

Your system has just become a test-bed to unravel this bug. :yes:

[TwistedSisler]

Here are a few things I have found out from troubleshooting. Maybe someone with more experience than me will pick up on one of these issues.

 

- If I run the game with mods enabled and Archive Invalidation on then it crashes

- If I disable all mods through FOMM except the vanilla content and leave Archive invalidation on then it crashes.

- If I turn off Archive Invalidation (regardless of what mods I have enabled) then it will not crash. (but mods obviously don't work properly)

 

- I have installed this game before many times on this computer with many mods and it has run just fine until now.

everything you've posted confirms that you have this documented bug

 

Assuming that you are correct that this has worked properly for you in a previous install . . .

 

that leaves very long involved detective work to discover the problem

 

something you have changed in your hardware/software between the last time it worked and now has caused this bug to surface

 

This means that the bug is not caused by your selection of mods or the order in which they are installed

 

The bug is caused by your operating environment

 

{or it would have been solved before instead of becoming a "documented bug"}

 

Your system has just become a test-bed to unravel this bug. :yes:

 

great..... lol

[Quetzlsacatanango]

What version of FWE and what version of DarN? The latest version of FWE requires v11 of DarN. Is that what you're using?

[TwistedSisler]

What version of FWE and what version of DarN? The latest version of FWE requires v11 of DarN. Is that what you're using?

 

Yes. I have FWE 5.02 and the DarN patch for FWE