Random, erratic crashes?

[SkullKnight]

Recently Ive been experiencing lots of random, erratic crashes occurring for what seems to be no reason. They can happen anywhere at any time and dont seem to be associated with any location, item, NPC, etc. They havent shown up in any specific pattern, as I can reload a save after crashing, do the exact same thing, and not get a crash the second time. Does installing a lot of mods usually cause this kind of problem? Or could it be caused by some other issue (like a couple incompatible mods, corrupt save, etc.)? Help with rooting out the problem would be appreciated, as CTD every hour or so is rather annoying. Btw, my save file is about 5.2 MB and I've done quite a bit of mod installing/uninstalling on it, if that helps.

 

Another side note, I have weOCPS to prevent crashes and its been acting rather weird and not exactly helpful. It plays a sound whenever it changes data in memory to prevent a crash, and usually the "crash prevented" sound is followed immediately by a CTD. Im not sure how helpful this tool is for preventing crashes and how many crashes it has even caused by messing up values in memory. I also have the log files if that helps at all.

 

EDIT: Another thing, I have the latest versions of OOO and MMM installed (MMM for OOO compatibility version of course), but I dont have FCOM (the installation process makes me want to cry, especially the part about starting with a clean install of oblivion). I have used BOSS to sort the files I have. Theres no problem with that right? :P

[Tomlong54210]

Using BOSS is good, but it does not recognize all plugins. Have you taken care of any "unknowns"?

 

Load Ordering - http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/finishinstall/loadorder <-- You can use the template on this page to help with that.

 

I do not like or recommend using WeOCPS unless it is definitely helping. It has caused crashes for me, so I think you should drop it. It definitely does not work for all setups. Plus, it "hides" crashes that you may otherwise be able to fix.

 

Post Your Load Order - http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/troubleshooting/postlo <-- I can take a look through it.

 

Some reading you can do to possibly help yourself:

Stabilization - http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/stabilization <-- See the "Related Pages" too.

Oblivion.ini Tweaks - http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/stabilization/oblivion <-- some of the default settings can cause crashes and instability

SL.ini Tweaks - http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/stabilization/streamline <-- If you do not use Streamline, I recommend it, and you can use this page as a guide to setup the INI appropriately.

Stabilization Mods - http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/stabilization/stabilizationmods <-- If you installed WeOCPS to stop the crash on exit, there is a better, simpler mod that I basically guarantee to get the job done.

[bben46]

Great advice from TomLong. If that doesn't do it

Here is a link to Bben's Crash Help

http://www.tesnexus.com/articles/article.php?id=298.

[SkullKnight]

I used BOSS and it took care of the vast majority of the plugins I had installed. The other ones I manually ordered based on some guides I read. However, I decided to simply reinstall the game with FCOM for the sake of balance. I also felt that my mods listing was in need of some spring cleaning. I have it set up now with fewer mods than before, all handled by BOSS. Since I followed the installation instructions and checked my active plugins several times, Im going to assume that its set up right. Ive decided to drop weOCPS and see how things go. Im gonna do some testing now and let you guys know how it goes.

[Tomlong54210]

Post your load order here, preferably with Wrye Bash, if you continue to run into problems. Reviewing FCOM LO's is like a side job for me now, haha.

 

 

Happy gaming!

- Tomlong54210

[SkullKnight]

Load Order:

 

Active Mod Files:
00  Oblivion.esm
01  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm
02  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm
03  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]
04  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.34]
05  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]
06  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]
07  FCOM_Convergence.esm  [Version 0.9.9MB3]
08  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
09  Better Cities Resources.esm
0A  CM Partners.esm
0B  Toaster Says Share v3.esm
0C  HorseCombatMaster.esm
0D  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.5]
0E  UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp  [Version 1.0.0]
0F  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
10  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
11  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]
12  Better Cities .esp
13  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp
14  Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp
15  Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp
16  Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp
17  Francesco's Dark Seducer Weapons Patch.esp
18  FCOM_Francescos.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
19  FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
1A  FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
1B  phinix-waterfix.esp
1C  PrivateQuarters.esp  [Version 2.33]
1D  Enhanced Economy.esp  [Version 3.4.3]
1E  moDem's City Life.esp
1F  Crowded Cities 30.esp
20  Crowded Roads Advanced.esp  [Version 1.3]
21  Crowded Roads Advanced Spawnrates.esp            <---------- Custom TES4Edit override to nerf spawnrates of stuff I dont like
22  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.4]
23  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.0.2]
24  DLCHorseArmor.esp
25  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
26  DLCOrrery.esp
27  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]
28  DLCVileLair.esp
29  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
2A  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
2B  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
2C  DLCSpellTomes.esp
2D  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
2E  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp
2F  DLCThievesDen.esp
30  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
31  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
32  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]
33  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]
34  FCOM_Cobl.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
35  Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
36  FCOM_BobsArmory.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
37  Oblivion WarCry EV.esp
38  FCOM_WarCry.esp  [Version 0.9.9MB3]
39  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.34]
3A  OOO-Map_Markers_Stock.esp  [Version 1.33]
3B  FCOM_Convergence.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
3C  FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp  [Version 0.9.9beta2]
3D  FCOM_RealSwords.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
3E  FCOM_DurabilityAndDamage.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
3F  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
40  FCOM_SaferRoads.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
41  Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
42  Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
43  Mart's Monster Mod - No Carrion Rats.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
44  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
45  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
46  Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
47  Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
48  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
49  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c]
4A  TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp  [Version 1.39c]
4B  ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp  [Version 1.39c]
4C  FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
4D  Extended Imperial City.esp
4E  Extended Chorrol.esp
4F  Extended Skingrad.esp
50  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
51  Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp
52  Kvatch Rebuilt - Leveled Guards - FCOM.esp
53  Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp
54  Solace.esp
55  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
56  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
57  DLCFrostcrag.esp
58  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
59  Knights.esp
5A  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]
5B  AFK_Weye.esp
5C  FCOM_Knights.esp  [Version 0.9.9Mb3]
5D  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]
5E  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
5F  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
60  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
61  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]
62  Alternate Start Revamped.esp
63  SetEssentialActors.esp
64  TeachSpell.esp
65  SM Bounty.esp  [Version 1.22c]
66  CoblDeathFix.esp  [Version 1.20]
67  Enhanced Grabbing.esp  [Version 0.5]
68  DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp
69  Kobu's Personality Enhancer.esp
6A  Kobu's Lighter Backpack Mod.esp
6B  RealisticLeveling.esp
6C  OOO-Level_Stock.esp  [Version 1.33]
6D  TSS Custom Companion  Template.esp
6E  Toaster Says Share Faction Recruitment.esp
6F  CM Partners.esp
70  CM Partners Special NPCs.esp
71  CM Partners NPC.esp
72  CM Partners More NPCs.esp
73  CM Partners Marker NPCs.esp
74  CM Partners Extra NPCs.esp
75  Tamara.esp
76  DAAanila.esp
77  DARaewyn.esp
78  DAFeria.esp
79  DADark Seducers.esp
7A  DAGolden Saint.esp
7B  Cobl Races.esp  [Version 1.52]
7C  SkinMannequinCOBL-nosleep.esp
7D  KT_CustomRaceFix.esp
7E  Better Cities - Full City Defences.esp
7F  Better Cities Full.esp
80  Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp
81  Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp
82  Better Imperial City.esp
83  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2]
84  MiniMap.esp
85  Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp  [Version 01]
86  Bashed Patch, 0.esp
87  Streamline 3.1.esp

 

If you notice any problems or any compatibility patches that Im missing, feel free to let me know :). Btw, I did experience an odd crash when I fast traveled to Chorrol earlier. The game kinda just quit without the usual "Oblivion has encountered a problem" message.

[Tomlong54210]

Popular Outdated Mods - http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/stabilization/outdatedmod

 

1F Crowded Cities 30.esp <-- remove this

20 Crowded Roads Advanced.esp [Version 1.3] <-- trade this

21 Crowded Roads Advanced Spawnrates.esp

 

Your setup would be stabler if some of those plugins were (Bash) merged and imported and deactivated.

 

Finishing the Installation - http://sites.google.com/site/oblivionpoinfo/stabilization/outdatedmods <-- read the Bashed Patch section

[Megatarius]

Deadly Reflex has to be on the very bottom. Even beneath the Bashed Patch.

 

 

Also, to Tomlong:

 

What's wrong with Crowded Cities 30?

[SkullKnight]

Alright, Im replacing Crowded Roads Advanced with Crowded Roads Revisited (I was starting to get sick of my companions picking fights with those level 100 static NPCs anyways). And, I should merge -all- of my mergeable mods into the bashed patch?

 

And...yeah whats wrong with Crowded Cities?

[Tomlong54210]

Yes, you should merge mergeable mods. Follow the instructions on the page I linked. I am not about to tell you anything differently from what is written there. The issue with Crowded Cities is that you already have Modem's City Life installed. Those two mods will kill your processor. The bigger problem is that BC only offers support for Modem's mod, and the Crowded Cities mods will not work. Did you install the BC version of modem's mod, by the way? If you installed BC after installing modem's mod, the OMOD installer should have taken care of that.