Should beer be illegal?

[Keanumoreira]

I don't know about that Stardusk, even if a democracy is strong, like America's, if the conditions are right, the goverment will have to make choices against what it stands for. Prohibition did this, and it has recently occured in New York America where a new set of food laws, approved by Congress, are underway that violates the constitution but was approved anyway for the good of the people. If beer becomes such a major problem, prohibition will return, no matter what the constitution says, because if a Nation NEEDS to do it, they will to perserve their freedom.

Prohibition was an abysmal failure, the only thing it achieved was the founding of criminal dynasties. You casually dismiss the Constitution, which to American is the basis of our governmental ideology, I do not think you understand the import that we attach to it. It is not some subsidiary document to be bypassed at a reformers convenience, it is the corner stone of our republic.Trying to legislate virtue has never worked and further more I like my freedoms free of moralistic intercession ' for my own good'. By the way the food and drug act to which you refer was not unconstitutional , or at least that was the opinion of the Supreme Court.

 

No I understand that, the constitution is the foundation of our society, i never said its to be bypassed, such a decision should NEVER be made ever, I know what it stands for I understand the terms, but you can't allow one document even if its one that is perhaps the most important, and to which I have great respect for, ruin millions of lifes if something severe were to happen. Sometimes the rules have to be broken in order to perserve human life or perhaps the entire species you never know, but the constitution has been ignored once (This being prohibition since it was an obvious ignorance towards the people's rights.) and I believe that unfortunatley, this will repeat. Think about it, whats better, something that could tear a Nation apart (Not talking about beer, i mean something extremely serious whatever that may be.) or the peoples view; I'd go for the peoples view because its our choice its our right, but if our government decides its better to go against our wishes, they probley would. But lets not go further into politics, Nexus doesn't alow politics.

[Fifoo]

 

No I understand that, the constitution is the foundation of our society, i never said its to be bypassed, such a decision should NEVER be made ever, I know what it stands for I understand the terms, but you can't allow one document even if its one that is perhaps the most important, and to which I have great respect for, ruin millions of lifes if something severe were to happen. Sometimes the rules have to be broken in order to perserve human life or perhaps the entire species you never know, but the constitution has been ignored once (This being prohibition since it was an obvious ignorance towards the people's rights.) and I believe that unfortunatley, this will repeat. Think about it, whats better, something that could tear a Nation apart (Not talking about beer, i mean something extremely serious whatever that may be.) or the peoples view; I'd go for the peoples view because its our choice its our right, but if our government decides its better to go against our wishes, they probley would. But lets not go further into politics, Nexus doesn't alow politics.

The freedom ends where someone else's begins...

 

This concept is not easy to implement, and leads often to conflict situations, and will not be easy to manage.

 

You might say we should simply ban this or that. But in many cases it will not work.

 

Because the problem is that when you prohibit something, there will always be more people who will also pass this ban by illegal means or hidden action. And of course you will then create parallel or illegal markets that you can not control without further increase your blood pressure by actions rebuke, which will result in an even higher increase of the negative effect of the ban and bring you inevitably towards a more confrontational situation to manage, a vicious circle without end.

 

This is the snake biting its tail ... Rather than prohibit, we must educate.

 

Educating by raising awareness in the field of Health and the public, media, news, school and street. Educating by providing the means to help those affected by alcoholism plague that is affecting more and more young people in our society...

 

Educate to empower.

[evilneko]

That's why the framers made the constitution a living document. It can be changed. It has been changed--27 times.

 

I ask though what would you consider so severe as to require trampling the constitution aside from the obvious doomsday scenarios? "Ruin millions of lives" is not sufficient cause to run the constitution through the shredder, and only worthy of an amendment if it's a basic human rights issue, e.g. slavery.

 

Incidentally I believe drugs should be treated the same way we treat beer, cigarettes, firearms, and other dangerous items. Regulate their use and trade and arrest people for doing stupid stuff while under the influence of them. That way people that can handle it responsibly can do so legally.

 

But lets not go further into politics, Nexus doesn't alow politics.

I musta missed that one in the rules post. Religious topics are banned but I found no such ban on politics. :teehee:

[Keanumoreira]

That's why the framers made the constitution a living document. It can be changed. It has been changed--27 times.

 

I ask though what would you consider so severe as to require trampling the constitution aside from the obvious doomsday scenarios? "Ruin millions of lives" is not sufficient cause to run the constitution through the shredder, and only worthy of an amendment if it's a basic human rights issue, e.g. slavery.

 

Incidentally I believe drugs should be treated the same way we treat beer, cigarettes, firearms, and other dangerous items. Regulate their use and trade and arrest people for doing stupid stuff while under the influence of them. That way people that can handle it responsibly can do so legally.

 

But lets not go further into politics, Nexus doesn't alow politics.

I musta missed that one in the rules post. Religious topics are banned but I found no such ban on politics. :teehee:

 

Not trample the constitution and get rid of it, I meant just overlook it once for a piticular reason. I'm just saying that although rare, if something were to threaten our Nation down to its knees in a short period of time and its aganist the constitution, then an acception is going to have to be made. Oh and good point Fiffo, education is our light, I just wish more people would listen.

[Aurielius]

@Keanumoreira

Almost anything done in excess is harmful, what I am not really clear on is why you feel that alcohol is such a danger to society. Drinking has been with mankind for thousands of years through myriad of cultures, it is currently one of the few drugs that are socially acceptable in most cultures, personally I prefer a good single malt over beer but would resist any attempt to curtail my enjoyment of either.

You should read the history of the Volstead Act and it's absolute failure in implementation, it was an actual amendment to the Constitution...no longer thankfully. I disagree strongly with your view of putting aside the Constitution but since this is a thread concerning the banning of beer I will put that argument in abeyance for a later date and another thread, btw politics are quite legal as a debate topic.

[Keanumoreira]

@Keanumoreira

Almost anything done in excess is harmful, what I am not really clear on is why you feel that alcohol is such a danger to society. Drinking has been with mankind for thousands of years through myriad of cultures, it is currently one of the few drugs that are socially acceptable in most cultures, personally I prefer a good single malt over beer but would resist any attempt to curtail my enjoyment of either.

You should read the history of the Volstead Act and it's absolute failure in implementation, it was an actual amendment to the Constitution...no longer thankfully. I disagree strongly with your view of putting aside the Constitution but since this is a thread concerning the banning of beer I will put that argument in abeyance for a later date and another thread, btw politics are quite legal as a debate topic.

 

No, no, no. Aurielius I am not putting aside the Constitution and I agree with you my friend, it should never be considered unless it is absoutley necessary, only if it threatens our Nation at an unacceptable level, thats it, thats all I'm trying to stress. I agree that beer shouldn't be prohibited, it is needed in our society, its our culture. I apologize if I intended beer is bad for American, and all over society, because its not, and its not a danger to society, and least not a severe one, its at the most part safe. And I don't hate it I just don't want to perticipate in it is all I meant.

[evilneko]

Putting aside the constituion IS a grave threat to the nation.

 

Given that the OP doesn't even agree with the premise of the thread and no one has put forth an argument for it, I move that the thread be closed. :rolleyes:

[Keanumoreira]

Putting aside the constituion IS a grave threat to the nation.

 

Given that the OP doesn't even agree with the premise of the thread and no one has put forth an argument for it, I move that the thread be closed. :rolleyes:

 

Ok fine, enough with the constitution, we all agree that its bad to overlook; that thread is now closed, if people are so into it let me know and I'll start a new debate, for now this topic deals with what it was intended to be debated.

[Fifoo]

I think this shows that many people have not escaped the general malaise of our society. By forbidding, you find yourself facing a sanitized society in which the individual as such has no place if it does not fit the social mold. Also a society model dominated by money, it is the recognition, the money has taken a disproportionate place in our society. Especially with the easy money.

 

Compensation for work often seems dwarfed by the easy money collected by speculation or luck. The disgusting lifestyle of young dealers or gains games on TV make fragile the righteous speeches about the need to work to succeed. And these are just a few examples among many others. The game shows are multiplying, offering quick money, trips or cars out the wazoo... Heeded the desire of the viewer who identifies fortune necessarily the one who plays. Fortunately, in some cases, kindly obliges, earnings are paid to a charity or some humanitarian associations.

 

Today the National Education must confront the difficulty of young people to admit that their studies will secure their future. But now the problem is likely to increase. With the opening of online games in 2010, a kind of virtual casinos, the gambling will be everywhere, including in your home. The moral that wealth is the result of work does she risk not being undermined by promises of cash as exciting as illusory?

 

So do not be surprised to see people confused, having no solid benchmarks, or hope, sinking into alcoholism, drugs, suicide or delinquency. If it is certain that some things need a total ban, because it does not respect the fundamental principles of human rights, such as slavery (good point, evilneko), for other things, before trying to ban everything it should above all try to find remedies to cure our sick society of all its excesses. And this is no small matter...

[Vagrant0]

There doesn't seem to be any clear reason to keep this going since it's rather unanimous. Beer is good, and this thread is closed.