Solitude is sort of 'stuck'...

[simsim899]

So I've just got this really weird problem, and I have no idea how to fix it, or what's causing it :S Basically everyone in solitude is 'stuck'. As in, they stay in the same place all day, and all night, standing up, not doing anything. Most people are just standing in the winking skeever, blocking the door actually, but those that have shops are just standing in them. But no one is standing outside in solitude, everyone is inside a building. The shops also won't open anymore, they remain locked throughout the entire day, and night. If I break in, some people will sell to me, but some tell me to get out, even though it's the middle of the day and they should be open. Even weirder though, if none of the guards seem to be effected :S Every other npc is, even ones added by mods (except for some reason one mercenary added by inconsequential npc's?) So the entire city is empty, except for guards wandering around. Even the carriage driver is stuck in the winking skeever! I have no idea what could be causing this.. The only mod I've installed since this has happened is Undeath. But I'm not sure if I should uninstall it as it might mess up my save game :s

Anyone got any ideas, or had this happen to them before? I'd really appreciate if someone can help me, it's driving me mad!

Thanks.

[Tajjara]

Can I see your full mod list? I can think of a few things that would cause this but it'd be easier to narrow it down with more info.

[simsim899]

Hey thanks so much for replying :) Here's my loadorder (it's a lot btw):

 

 

Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp
Dawnguard.esm
Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp
HearthFires.esm
Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp
Skyrim Project Optimization - Full Version.esm
Falskaar.esm
Wyrmstooth.esp
ETaC - RESOURCES.esm
Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - Main.esm
WinterholdDestruction.esm
CoD Waking Nightmare II.esm
LB_MuchAdoSnowElves.esm
SPIKE.esm
RSkyrimChildren.esm
RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esm
HighResTexturePack01.esp
HighResTexturePack02.esp
HighResTexturePack03.esp
Unofficial High Resolution Patch.esp
SMIM-Merged-All.esp
NobleChildBeds.esp
AOS.esp
Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
AOS2_GDO Patch.esp
Auto Unequip Ammo.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
EbonyBladeFixedSmithing.esp
AFT_NoFriendlySpellDamage.esp
My Home Is Your Home.esp
Chesko_WearableLantern.esp
Brawl Bugs CE.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
Convenient Horses.esp
ShootingStars.esp
lakeviewremodel.esp
Wandererarmor.esp
Predator Vision.esp
Skyrim Unadoption Mod.esp
RSChildren - Complete.esp
RSChildren_PatchUSKP.esp
PrinceandPauperRS.esp
HearthfireMultiKid.esp
HearthfireMultiKid_LastName.esp
HearthfireMultikid_PNP Patch RS.esp
Archer_Cuirass.esp
Hunting in Skyrim - No Perks.esp
One With Nature - DG+DB.esp
When Vampires Attack.esp
FullEbonyBladeOldEnchant.esp
GrassOnSteroids_Short.esp
Headtracking.esp
FCO - Follower Commentary Overhaul.esp
SplashofRain.esp
Helgen Reborn.esp
ExpandedWinterholdRuins.esp
BetterDarkBrotherhood.esp
Footprints.esp
Footprints - Ash.esp
dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp
AOS2_EBT Patch.esp
Waterbreathing Breathless Emerge.esp
HearthfireHorseRelocation.esp
JZBai_CrossbowManualReload.esp
WyrmstoothPatch.esp
HunterArcherCuirass.esp
GarrettThiefArmor.esp
WSCO - OcciFemaleVNL.esp
WetandCold.esp
WetandCold - Ashes.esp
AOS2_WetandCold Patch.esp
mintylightningmod.esp
WetandCold - Holidays.esp
Civil War Repairs.esp
ETaC - Complete.esp
ETaC - Dragon Bridge South.esp
ETaC - Complete WC Holidays Patch.esp
ETaC - Complete EWDR Patch.esp
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Minor Cities and Town Interiors.esp
nordicrangerarmor.esp
Patch - ETaC Complete - RS kids.esp
Patch - Falskaar - RS kids.esp
Patch - Wyrm - RS kids.esp
Prometheus_No_snow_Under_the_roof.esp
Better Dynamic Snow.esp
Prometheus_NSUTR BDS Patch.esp
SkyUI.esp
AchieveThat.esp
Dual Sheath Redux.esp
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Interiors.esp
Vampire_NoSunDamage_Hoods&Helmets.esp
UnblockActivateNoWereNoMap.esp
WerewolfMastery.esp
Weapons & Armor Fixes_Remade.esp
AOS2_WAF Patch.esp
AmazingFollowerTweaks.esp
EbonyBladeFixedR2hD.esp
Clothing & Clutter Fixes.esp
Complete Crafting Overhaul_Remade.esp
Master of Disguise - Legendary.esp
RealisticNeedsandDiseases.esp
ImprovedFishBASIC.esp
AK- Namira for Good Guys.esp
Radiant and Unique Potions Poisons and Booze.esp
WATER.esp
Improved Fish BASIC - RND Support.esp
RND_Dawnguard-Patch.esp
Wyrmstooth_RND Compatibility Patch.esp
RND_USKP-Patch.esp
RND_ETaC-Patch.esp
FalskaarRNDHotfix.esp
WATER Falskaar.esp
RND_UniqueBoozeBottles-Patch.esp
SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB + FS + WT.esp
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Major City Exteriors.esp
IC-HearthfireEmittanceEnhancement_White.esp
HHoS Ancient Shrine DI.esp
RBB Long and Row Boats - Lands with Snow.esp
SkyFalls DB + FS Small Waterfalls.esp
RealShelter.esp
RealShelter_ETCPatch.esp
SkyrimSewers.esp
Hidden Hideouts of Skyrim - Merged - Deep Immersion.esp
ETaC - Complete LoS Patch.esp
CornerofTheSkyrim.esp
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dungeons.esp
Training Dummies XP.esp
Realistic Lighting Overhaul - Dawnguard Interiors.esp
Cloaks - Dawnguard.esp
wizDynamicThings.esp
Training Dummies XP Dawnguard.esp
WATER DG.esp
Weapons and Armor Reloaded.esp
Smithing Perks Overhaul_Remade.esp
The Huntsman.esp
Unique Uniques.esp
Painkiller's_Hrothmund's_Axe.esp
Blackjack.esp
Western Watchtower Rebuilt.esp
WATER DB Waves.esp
RND_Dragonborn-Patch.esp
ETaC - Complete NSutR Patch.esp
ETaC - BDS Patch.esp
Inconsequential NPCs.esp
Patch - Inconsequential NPCs - RS kids.esp
Prince and Pauper - RS children and Inconsequential NPCs.esp
Cloaks.esp
Dead Body Collision.esp
Dragon Soul Relinquishment.esp
Save the Dark Brotherhood!.esp
Nightingale Hall.esp
Lakeview_Extended_Basement.esp
LakeviewManorRoad.esp
LightsLakeviewManor.esp
lakeviewdock1.2.esp
LakeviewManorFishHatchery.esp
proudspiremanortnf.esp
HoneysideTNF.esp
WSCO - Better NPCs.esp
Underwater_Treasure.esp
A&P weight change only..esp
MechaDragons - Guardians of Kagrenzel.esp
Immersive Patrols II.esp
Tame Beast.esp
Chesko_Frostfall.esp
CCO_Frostfall_Patch.esp
MissingApprentices.esp
BooksOfSkyrim.esp
Provincial Courier Service.esp
Undeath.esp
quest_pitfighter.esp
RND_HearthFires-Patch.esp
ETaC - Falskaar Patch.esp
UniqueBorderGates-DunmethPass.esp
Brynjolf & Vex Followers.esp
CompanionArissa.esp
Solstheim - The Lost Levels.esp
MzarkWonders.esp
Conjure Lurker.esp
HHoS Subterranean Hot Spring DI.esp
UniqueBorderGates-TalosPass.esp
UniqueBorderGates-PalePass.esp
WATER Plants.esp
The Paarthurnax Dilemma.esp
UniqueBorderGates-SilgradPass.esp
BetterWhitePhialEffects.esp
CuralmilsPhial.esp
WellsOfSkyrimRND.esp
FishingInSkyrim.esp
Hunterborn.esp
Hunterborn_Dawnguard-Patch.esp
Hunterborn_Frostfall-Patch.esp
Hunterborn_RND-Patch.esp
Run For Your Lives.esp
VLW_Hybrid.esp
IslandFastTravel.esp
DragonFastTravelRedone.esp
WaterFromWellsDragonbornRND.esp
Prometheus_NSUTR Falskaar Dock.esp
AK- Boethiah Alternate.esp
garm_white.esp
UniqueDogs.esp
Convenient Horse Herding.esp
RBB - Row Boats - Hearthfire Hotfix.esp
UnlimitedBookshelves.esp
JaxonzEnhGrab.esp
JaxonzRenamer.esp
battleflute.esp
nohearthfiremusic.esp
dovahkiinrelax.esp
WSCO - OcciMaleVNL.esp
YngolsArmour.esp
Nightingale Maskless.esp
blackguardhoodfix.esp
BloodBarrels.esp
MammothManor.esp
MammothManorExtras.esp
Thirsk (Riekling) Mead Hall Enhanced.esp
BarenziahQuestMarkers.esp
MiraaksArmor.esp
sandboxcylinderheight.esp
WashBasinsBreezehome.esp
Esbern'sVaultPlayerHome.esp
AmuletsOfHeroes.esp
maskoftheafflicted.esp
TheThiefsFingers.esp
LFox Better Thieves Guild Practice Locks.esp
Hephaestus.esp
StuddedShield.esp
AhtarsKnife.esp
ClipPointBlade.esp
TheLostDagger.esp
The Ruby Knife.esp
Buckler.esp
TheClaw.esp
GoldenBattleAxe.esp
BlackguardGuildmasterStatSwap.esp
PlayableRieklingRace.esp
Bashed Patch, 0.esp
Automatic Variants.esp
Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp

 

[Tajjara]

Okay. First:

 

Do you have saves backed up from before this problem happened?

 

Second:

 

Sometimes 'Run For Your Lives' and 'When Vampires Attack' can cause this. Are you using the latest version of each? An older version of 'Run For Your Lives' had an issue where residents would cower or run inside thinking there was a dragon attack in the city, but the attack would never occur and they'd stay scared and hiding. I don't know if the problem can be taken away once it's happened, even if the mod is removed. That's if this one is the cause. If not we'll go from there.

Edited October 8, 2014 by fragmentedbeauty

[simsim899]

Hi again, I really appreciate you trying to help :)

Uh yes, I'm pretty sure I do, but I've done quite a bit since, so would only really want to go back to a previous save if that was the only option.

Also, I just checked and no, I don't actually have the latest versions of each. Thanks for pointing that out, I'm going to update them now and I'll let you know if it fixes it.

Thanks!

[simsim899]

So, I updated to the latest versions of both mods and the problem's still there.. :( Any other things I could try? I really hope I can get this fixed, and I also really appreciate you helping me, thanks :)

[Tajjara]

Unfortunately your problem might be there for good now that it's occurred. You might have to roll back. Still, to test, try clicking on an npc, opening the console, and typing 'disable' then 'enable. See if it resets their behavior. If that does nothing, as another test, select the same npc, go outside, and in the console type 'moveto player'. See if the npc starts to act normal.

[simsim899]

Hi sorry, I thought I should reply to let you know what's happened. Luckily I did fix it, but you were right, I did have to roll back to a previous save :( I tried all the things you suggested first but nothing worked at all. Also, even after I went back to a previous save, the problem kept happening :S I would go to Solitude, see the NPCs standing outside like normal, and then suddenly they'd all start cowering and run inside. I exited the game, and tried again with the save, went to other places and then Solitude, but every single time it happened :/ So, I've had to uninstall both the mods 'when vampires attack' and 'run for your lives' (as I don't know which one was causing the problem), and start from the save from before the problem happened, and now it's all back to normal. It's a shame though cus I liked those mods :( Oh well, I may reinstall them again later and hope I don't get the problem again. Thanks for your help!

[Tajjara]

I'm still using those two mods and I've not had an issue since updating them. I wonder if a mod you have is conflicting with it, or a mod I have is preventing the bug.

[VanaeAlcarus]

necroooo

 

This just happened to me, and what was going on was the vampires sent to attack me got lost in Solitude. The NPCs were hiding indoors.