Not sure if this is a mod problem.

[krabman7]

Just went to the waterfront and saw this:

 

http://i32.tinypic.com/96x085.jpg

 

It is marked as the Temple District Gate.

 

http://i28.tinypic.com/4sn12w.jpg

 

When I went behind it, I saw this:

 

http://i31.tinypic.com/2hgsacx.jpg

 

I'm pretty sure the Waterfront tunnel is part of better cities, but is that closed "wall" normal? And why is it labeled as Temple District Gate?

 

Here's my load order:

 

Active Mod Files:
00  Oblivion.esm
01  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 0.9.9.5]
02  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]
03  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.33]
04  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]
05  Better Cities Resources.esm
06  BathingMod_Base.esm
07  A_Bloody_Mess.esm
08  HorseCombatMaster.esm
**  TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp
**  TNR - ShiveringIsles.esp
09  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.7]
0A  UOP Vampire Aging & Face Fix.esp  [Version 1.0.0]
0B  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
0C  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]
0D  SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp  [Version 1.30]
0E  Better Cities .esp
0F  LoadingScreens.esp
10  LoadingScreensAddOn.esp
11  LoadingScreensSI.esp
12  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]
13  All Natural.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]
14  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 0.9.9.5]
15  Enhanced Water v2.0 HD.esp
++  Enhanced Water v2.0 HD - SI Addon.esp  [Version 0.1]
++  ln.esp
++  Symphony of Violence.esp
16  AmbientTownSounds.esp
17  MIS.esp
18  MIS New Sounds Optional Part.esp
19  Distant Chapel Bells.esp
1A  Rainbows.esp
1B  AliveWaters.esp
1C  AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp
1D  AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp
++  BrighterTorches_v1.2.esp
1E  ChaseCameraMod.esp
1F  ClocksOfCyrodiil.esp
20  ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp
21  Chapel Tithe.esp
++  CM_Better Wine.esp
++  Cyrodilic Brandy.esp
22  Days&Months.esp
23  Inebriation.esp
++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.76]
24  kuerteeSittableRocks.esp
25  Menu Time.esp
26  P1DseeYouSleep.esp
27  Q - More and Moldy Ingredients v1.1.esp
28  RAEVWD Cities.esp  [Version 1.7]
29  RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.5]
2A  RAEVWD Imperial City.esp  [Version 1.7]
2B  Reznod_Mannequin.esp
2C  SoT_Holiday.esp
2D  Living Economy - SI.esp
2E  Living Economy - Items.esp
2F  Cutthroat Merchants.esp
30  FF_Real_Thirst.esp
31  Choices and Consequences.esp  [Version 2.1]
32  Duke Patricks - Friendship Ring For Companion Detection.esp
33  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.5.2]
34  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.5]
35  DLCHorseArmor.esp
36  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
37  SM Plugin Refurbish - HorseArmor.esp  [Version 1.11]
38  DLCOrrery.esp
39  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]
3A  SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp  [Version 1.11]
3B  Choices and Consequences - SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp  [Version 2.0]
3C  DLCVileLair.esp
3D  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
++  SM Plugin Refurbish - VileLair.esp  [Version 1.21]
3E  P1DseeYouSleep - DLCVileLair.esp
3F  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
40  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
41  SM Plugin Refurbish - MehrunesRazor.esp  [Version 1.30]
42  DLCSpellTomes.esp
++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
**  Book Jackets DLC.esp
++  GrimbotsSpellTomes.esp
++  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp
43  M.O.E. - New Staffs, Blight and Ashstorms.esp  [Version 2]
44  M.O.E. - Playable Scythe.esp  [Version 2]
++  M.O.E. - Unlocked Palace Guard Armour.esp  [Version 1]
++  M.O.E. - Unlocked Dremora Armour and Robes.esp  [Version 1]
++  M.O.E. - Unlocked Glenroy and Captain Renault Blades Armour.esp  [Version 1]
45  PTArtifacts.esp
++  RTFemaleReplacerV12.esp
46  Thieves Arsenal.esp
47  Slof's Horses Base.esp
48  HRMHorseArmor.esp
++  HRMHorseArmorSlofsHorsesPatch.esp
49  kuerteeHorseCommands.esp
4A  Dude Wheres My Horse.esp
4B  DLCThievesDen.esp
4C  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
4D  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
4E  SM Plugin Refurbish - ThievesDen.esp  [Version 1.30]
4F  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]
50  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]
51  FF_Real_Thirst, Cobl.esp
52  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]
++  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.44]
53  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.33]
++  OOO-Water_Weeds.esp  [Version 1.33]
54  Choices and Consequences - OOO.esp  [Version 2.0]
55  TamrielTravellerAdvscript.esp  [Version 1.39c]
56  TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp  [Version 1.39c]
57  TamrielTravellersItemsnpc.esp  [Version 1.39c]
58  TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp  [Version 1.39c]
59  ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp  [Version 1.39c]
5A  ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions.esp  [Version 1.39c]
**  TamrielTravellersHorseTextures.esp
5B  kuerteeWanderingEncounters.esp
++  PersuasionOverhaul_OOO.esp  [Version 1.2]
++  FineWeapons for OOO.esp
5C  LoadingScreens-OOO.esp
5D  RustyItems for OOO.esp
5E  Enhanced Quest Roleplaying.esp
5F  BravilSeaDomes.esp
60  BrotherhoodRenewed.esp  [Version 1.0.3]
61  LetThePeopleDrink.esp  [Version 2.5]
62  M.O.E. - Tools of Kagrenac - The Secret of White Gold Tower.esp  [Version 6]
63  M.O.E. - The Black Sacrament - Night Mother's Ritual.esp  [Version 2]
64  Museum.esp
65  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.3.2]
66  VaultsofCyrodiil.esp
67  VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp
68  Cyrodiil Travel Services.esp  [Version 2.0.1]
69  za_bankmod.esp
6A  24HrArenaAliveV2.esp
6B  24HrArenaAliveV2Towers.esp
6C  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
6D  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
6E  SM Plugin Refurbish - Battlehorn.esp  [Version 1.30]
6F  DLCFrostcrag.esp
70  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
71  SM Plugin Refurbish - Frostcrag.esp  [Version 1.2]
72  Knights.esp
**  Knights - Book Jackets.esp
73  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]
74  SM Plugin Refurbish - Knights.esp  [Version 1.06]
75  M.O.E. - Visit Valen Dreth Topic.esp  [Version 1]
76  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
77  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]
78  xulTheHeath.esp
79  XulEntiusGorge.esp
7A  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]
7B  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]
7C  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]
7D  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]
7E  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]
7F  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3]
80  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.2]
81  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]
82  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]
83  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]
84  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]
85  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.2]
86  xulPantherRiver.esp
87  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]
88  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.0.2]
89  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.5]
8A  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
8B  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
8C  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
8D  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp
8E  JQ-Fighters_Guild_United.esp
8F  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]
++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
90  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
91  AutoBookPlacer.esp
92  A Bloody Mess - Bloody Fights.esp
++  A Bloody Mess - Arena Wash Basin.esp
93  Cliff_BetterLetters.esp  [Version 1.1]
94  kuerteeCustomisableHUDComponents.esp
95  Dousing The Flames.esp  [Version 1.10]
96  Drop Lit Torches Weight.esp  [Version 1.6]
97  DropLitTorchOBSE.esp  [Version 2.4]
98  Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 CT.esp
99  Exterior Actors Have Torches 1.3 CT.esp
9A  ImmersiveHealthIndication.esp
9B  kuerteeInventoryIsABackpack.esp
++  M.O.E. - Bone Names and Priced Skull.esp  [Version 1]
9C  M.O.E. - Lucien Lachance Rumors Fix.esp  [Version 1]
++  M.O.E. - Icons for Mythic Dawn Armour - Fix.esp  [Version 1]
9D  M.O.E. - Lycanthropy and Lichcraft.esp  [Version 7]
++  M.O.E. - Kill Martin and Jauffre.esp  [Version 1]
9E  PersuasionOverhaul.esp  [Version 1.43]
9F  kuerteeGoldIsAnInventoryItem.esp
A0  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]
++  M.O.E. - Alternative Script Effect Icon I.esp  [Version 1]
A1  Enhanced Vegetation [125%].esp
A2  Roleplaying Dialogues.esp
A3  Quest Award Leveller.esp  [Version 2.0.1]
A4  Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp  [Version 2.1.0]
++  Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp  [Version 2.1.0]
A5  Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp  [Version 2.1.0]
A6  BathingMod_Soap.esp
A7  BathingMod_Bathroom_Upgrades.esp
A8  BathingMod_Placeable_Bathtubs.esp
++  BathingMod_ABMCP_Bathtubs_and_Bathrooms.esp
A9  OWE&P.esp
AA  RealisticFatigue.esp
AB  RealisticForceMedium.esp
AC  RealSleepExtended.esp  [Version 2.4.2]
AD  M.O.E. - Vampire Clan Raelu.esp  [Version 6]
AE  M.O.E. - Vampire Players Scarier.esp  [Version 2]
AF  M.O.E. - Ethereal State Spell.esp  [Version 1]
B0  M.O.E. - Lock Spells.esp  [Version 1]
B1  M.O.E. - Mythic Dawn Powers.esp  [Version 1]
B2  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.89]
B3  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.86]
B4  SM_DLCSpellTome.esp  [Version 0.80]
B5  SM_OOO.esp  [Version 0.89]
B6  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.86]
B7  SM_EnchantStaff.esp  [Version 0.80]
++  SM_UnlockSpells.esp  [Version 0.70]
B8  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.84]
B9  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.83]
BA  Pestilent Afflictions.esp
BB  Lightweight Potions.esp  [Version 1.1]
BC  attack and hide medium v2.0.esp
BD  StealthOverhaul.esp
BE  Thievery_Normal_Thrill.esp
BF  DD_ProximitySneakPenalty.esp
C0  ZumbsLockpickingMod - OBSE.esp
C1  ZumbsLockpickingMod - Hide Difficulty Addon.esp
C2  RenGuardOverhaul.esp
C3  Enhanced Grabbing.esp  [Version 0.5]
C4  Adrenaline Fuelled Archery- Bow Sway.esp
C5  Deadly Reflex 5 - Timed block and 150% damage.esp
C6  DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp
C7  SM_DeadlyReflex.esp  [Version 0.86]
C8  Duke Patricks - Near Miss Magic And Arrows Alert The Target.esp
C9  Duke Patricks - Actors Can Miss Now.esp
CA  Duke Patricks - Fresh Kills Now Alert The NPCs.esp
CB  Intelligence Overhaul.esp
CC  actors_in_charge.esp
CD  Let There Be Darkness - Cyrodiil + SI.esp
CE  Let There Be Darkness - Knights.esp
CF  Let There Be Darkness - Mehrunes Razor.esp
D0  Let There Be Darkness - OOO.esp
++  Item interchange - Placement.esp  [Version 0.76]
++  M.O.E. - Unlocked Hairstyles.esp  [Version 1]
D1  Ethereal - Eyes.esp
D2  bgBalancingEVCore.esp  [Version 10.0EV-L]
++  bgBalancingEVOptionalClasses.esp  [Version 9.0EV-U]
D3  Better Cities - Full City Defences.esp
D4  Better Cities Full.esp
D5  BCBravilFULL-Barrowfields patch.esp
D6  BCChorrol-ChorrolHinterland fix.esp
D7  BCCheydinhalFULL-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
D8  BCSkingrad-SkingradOutskirts patch.esp
D9  Better Cities - VWD of the IC.esp
DA  Better Imperial City.esp
DB  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2]
++  [GFX]_Initial_Glow-all.esp
DC  Get Wet - just droplets.esp
DD  QTdof.esp
++  Visually Realistic Deadly Lava.esp
DE  SnArrowEffects.esp
DF  Duke Patricks - Magic you can believe in.esp
E0  Real Hunger, Cobl.esp  [Version 1.6.1]
++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]
E1  Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp  [Version 01]
E2  Bashed Patch, 0.esp
++  Duke Patricks - BASIC Script Effect Silencer.esp
E3  Streamline 3.1.esp
++  Thieves_Arsenal_Patch_033010.esp
E4  Quest Log Manager.esp  [Version 1.2]
E5  _Prison_Mod_(TLB) v0.2.esp
E6  PTNoRunningBowsSpells.esp
E7  PTLessKnockback.esp
E8  PTActorsCare.esp
E9  PTDoorExploitBegone.esp
EA  WindowLightingSystem.esp

[Tomlong54210]

1F ClocksOfCyrodiil.esp <-- BC version is a replacer. Remove this.

 

You have things loading after the Bashed Patch that should not be. The problem in the first picture looks like you need to do a clean save of Better Cities.

 

Updating Saves - http://tesivpositive.animolious.com/?page=updating_saves

 

 

Edit: If that list is sorted, update BOSS and try again.

[krabman7]

Those mods I have after the bashed patch are the ones BOSS didn't recognize. I'll load them before the Patch.

 

I reinstalled Better cities and Better cities resources. It's still the same. Do I really have to update my save? I thought a reinstall would do it.

[Tomlong54210]

Update BOSS. AWLS is definitely recognized, as is at least one other plugin among that group. Anyway, you need to do a clean save of BC. That just means saving the game without BC active and then relaunching the game.

 

 

Edit: If that does not solve your issue, you probably have a real mod conflict, in which case updating BOSS may still prove helpful (If you read the log file) and sifting through mods that modify the IC loading after BC should help as well. You do not have many plugins loading after BC, so there would not be many to go through. Did you try disabling the VWD plugin?

[krabman7]

Now this is just pissing me off. I disabled Better cities omod and Better cities Resources omod to make a clean save.

 

Now when I try to launch the game it just crashes.

 

Is there any chance I can make a mod backup or something and just reinstall everything? I'm really getting annoyed at this.

[bben46]

What you are seeing is normal. And is not either a problem or a bug. That blank wall is the back side of the waterfront side of the gate. The gate is below on the other side of the wall. If you look on the map, there is a wide gap between the waterfront gate and the Temple district gate. It is 'assumed' there is a tunnel between those two locations. BTW, I do not use either the mod that adds a tunnel or any of the better cities mods.

 

As for a backup, you may want to try this

Bben's Oblivion Revert to Vanilla game

http://www.tesnexus.com/articles/article.php?id=340

 

You will end up with a backup copy of your entire data folder that can be copied back over into the game data folder - be sure it works first.

[krabman7]

It's normal? And to think I was almost thinking of reinstalling Oblivion. Thanks alot! :smile:

[Tomlong54210]

Better Cities adds a tunnel... I should've read the first post more clearly. I did not fully realize you were on top of the tunnel looking at the back of the gate. Oops...

[LFact]

Better Cities adds a tunnel... I should've read the first post more clearly. I did not fully realize you were on top of the tunnel looking at the back of the gate. Oops...

 

And the gate to waterfront has 'tunnel' in its name. I'm without BC.

[Tomlong54210]

Better Cities adds a tunnel... I should've read the first post more clearly. I did not fully realize you were on top of the tunnel looking at the back of the gate. Oops...

 

And the gate to waterfront has 'tunnel' in its name. I'm without BC.

Huh, that is interesting... Actually, that makes sense, but I have been playing with BC in my load order for a long time now. I only play without it for testing, usually, and testing does not take me toward the waterfront.