Democrat Or Republican

[oblivion234]

i am democrat

[Peregrine]

*sigh*

 

Is this just the week for dumb politics threads?

 

 

Your question is just hopelessly vague and pointless, and makes two major mistakes:

 

1) Not everyone on this forum is from the US, so the question is way too narrow. And even ignoring the differences in parties, "liberal" and "conservative" are relative terms. In many places, the US democratic party would be considered a conservative party.

 

2) There are more than just two options. Not everyone blindly follows one of the major parties you know.

 

 

 

 

As for myself, none of the above. I absolutely hate both major parties in the US, and wish painful fates for most of their members. There really isn't much difference between them... the democrats want to vastly expand the government's power and budget to enforce equality, the republicans want to vastly expand the government's power and budget to enforce morality. There isn't a socially liberal, economically conservative party in this country, unfortunately. The libertarians are the closest thing, but they take it to absurd extremes and wouldn't be a much better alternative even if they could win an election.

[Malchik]

A democrat in theory is a supporter of democracy - one person, one vote with equal opportunity for all. Realisitically this is both impractical and unenforceable in any country but it is especially true in the USA when you need huge financial resources to run as a political candidate. This reduces the available choices to one of the plutocracy who have a specific agenda whether they pretend to be democratic or republican.

 

In my opinion (and it is only an OPINION) a true capitalist is a repulsive exploiter with a total absence of humanity, a true communist is a fool with no concept of reality. There has to be a way to allow those who can develop society to do so even if it gives then an edge (financial or otherwise) while protecting from destitution those who from no fault of their own cannot be productive members of society.

 

The tragedy is that because a few of those who claim to be in the latter group are frauds, layabouts and cheats everyone in that category is treated the same way. Equally only a few in the first category do not give millions to charity but it is those who do not who are used as stereotypes.

 

In truth there is no easy or straightforward solution.

 

As far as the USA is concerned I find it difficult to see any truly left wing policy in either party. As such the choice is a chimera.

[ResidentWeevil2077]

This is a stupid, narrow-minded thread, but to me, the US Republicans are much like the Conservative Party of Canada, Progressive Conservatives as they used to be called, or simply PCs. Our British forum members would call this party the Tories, if I'm not mistaken, as we also call our Canadian Conservative party by that name too. The US Democrats are much like the Canadian Liberal Party, or simply Liberals. In Canada, we also have the New Democratic Party, or NDP, which is a socialist party, not the same as the US Democrats. I also can't forget to mention the Bloc Quebecois, cuz you have to remember in Canada we're a bilingual nation (English and French are our official languages). (For those of you that don't speak Canadian French, Bloc Quebecois is pronounced [bLOCK KAY-BECK-wah].)

 

Anyway, in Canada, these are the four major political parties we vote for in every election. Because our political system is very different from that in ths US, we have the sole freedom of expressing our political views more so than Americans. But generally speaking, in Canada, the two major opponents are the Conservatives and the Liberals. The NDP (or socialists) support whoever will get them what they want, tho generally they'll support the Liberals, and the Bloc Quebecois is keen on Quebec interests, meaning they'll support whoever supports the interests of the province of Quebec. (Keep in mind that Quebec has separate interests than the rest of Canada, which is why anyone coming into Canada will notice that Quebec has separate income tax returns, and everything is different than the rest of Canada.)

 

I'm a strict Conservative, and will support only the Conservatives. So, if was an American instead of a Canadian, I'd vote for the Republicans. Of course, I wouldn't blindly vote for stupidity, so with the current Bush admin, I wouldn't vote for anyone.

[Marxist ßastard]

Since you're Canadian, I can understand the mistake --- but the United States Republican party isn't conservative. Since they assumed control in 2001, government spending and subsidies have skyrocketed, and government power plays an increasingly large role in everyday life.

 

The simple fact of the matter is that there is no strictly conservative political group in the United States that has even the least bit of a chance to hold any political sway for the next twenty years. Both major political parties want to spend the citizenry's money for them; they only differ in what rhetoric they use to justify this act.

[ResidentWeevil2077]

Since you're Canadian, I can understand the mistake --- but the United States Republican party isn't conservative. Since they assumed control in 2001, government spending and subsidies have skyrocketed, and government power plays an increasingly large role in everyday life.

 

The simple fact of the matter is that there is no strictly conservative political group in the United States that has even the least bit of a chance to hold any political sway for the next twenty years. Both major political parties want to spend the citizenry's money for them; they only differ in what rhetoric they use to justify this act.

Republicans are closer to the right than the Canadian Conservatives, but now that I see it, they're more capitalists than actual social conservatives. Pro-corporation, anti-citizen, basically. "Democrat" is just another way of saying "social liberal", upholders of social equality and not social morality. So, I wouldn't vote for anyone, period. I never cared much for American politcs to begin with anyway.

[ninja_lord666]

I'm only 16 right now so I have a few years to worry about it, but I am very conservative with few liberal ideas. I don't support ANY US polotical party. period.

I typically prefer Republicans because they at least make an attempt at being honest. The Democrats are flagrantly baised in their news and rarely if ever tell the truth. I'm not saying the Republicans never lie or are never baised, just not as much as the Democrats.

As for the Independant parties, I'm not too familiar with them. I would tend to like the Libertarians better, but again, I don't know much about them. I know that Penn & Teller are Libertarians and I tend to agree with most, if not all, of their views on their...not so popular show (at least around here) BS.

 

Edit: BTW, rob_b, your post is clearly thread necromancy as the previous post (#4) is dated June 14 2006.

[Marxist ßastard]

...Upholders of social equality and not social morality.

The only thing more troubling, from a strictly conservative standpoint, than a government that can't keep its hands out of your pockets is one that can't keep its hands out of your pants.

 

Republicans are... more capitalists than actual social conservatives.

If they were pro-capitalism, then that would imply they are pro-competition. How does this hypothesis explain all of the Halliburton no-bid contracts?

[ResidentWeevil2077]

I'm only 16 right now so I have a few years to worry about it, but I am very conservative with few liberal ideas. I don't support ANY US polotical party. period.

I typically prefer Republicans because they at least make an attempt at being honest. The Democrats are flagrantly baised in their news and rarely if ever tell the truth. I'm not saying the Republicans never lie or are never baised, just not as much as the Democrats.

As for the Independant parties, I'm not too familiar with them. I would tend to like the Libertarians better, but again, I don't know much about them. I know that Penn & Teller are Libertarians and I tend to agree with most, if not all, of their views on their...not so popular show (at least around here) BS.

 

Edit: BTW, rob_b, your post is clearly thread necromancy as the previous post (#4) is dated June 14 2006.

I suppose I shouldn't have bothered looking at this thread in the first place. I honestly don't care about American politics, and not to sound like I'm bashing you yankees, but your gov't seems to be lacking in very basic fundamental ethical principles. Not that I'm saying the Canadian gov't doesn't have its faults (believe me, our gov't has had its share of public mishaps and misuse of tax-payer $), but really, you guys can only vote for two different parties, neither of which seems morally or ethically capable of running your, uh, "fine" country.

 

BTW, I NEVER, not once EVER, checked the dates at which the last post was dated. I never realized I had commited threadromancy, and Switch had already brought this to my attention. I had committed threadromancy THREE times that day, but Switch kept this and another dead post just barely open as I added something to them. I apologize for my inconsiderate, oblivious, and foolish actions, which clearly shows everyone what a complete stupid and moronic @$$HAT I am. I clearly have no brains whatsoever, to even realize that a post is dead, so if ANY of you feel the need to flame me, by all means go right ahead.

[ninja_lord666]

I suppose I shouldn't have bothered looking at this thread in the first place. I honestly don't care about American politics, and not to sound like I'm bashing you yankees, but your gov't seems to be lacking in very basic fundamental ethical principles. Not that I'm saying the Canadian gov't doesn't have its faults (believe me, our gov't has had its share of public mishaps and misuse of tax-payer $), but really, you guys can only vote for two different parties, neither of which seems morally or ethically capable of running your, uh, "fine" country.

 

BTW, I NEVER, not once EVER, checked the dates at which the last post was dated. I never realized I had commited threadromancy, and Switch had already brought this to my attention. I had committed threadromancy THREE times that day, but Switch kept this and another dead post just barely open as I added something to them. I apologize for my inconsiderate, oblivious, and foolish actions, which clearly shows everyone what a complete stupid and moronic @$$HAT I am. I clearly have no brains whatsoever, to even realize that a post is dead, so if ANY of you feel the need to flame me, by all means go right ahead.

 

No, if I flame you the I'll be in the wrong. Besides, it happens to everyone every now and then.

 

I do agree, the US government is very corrupt. Our founding fathers are probably crying themselves to sleep every night...

I think the only way to end this corruption, is if all the countries in the world would bow down to my supreme rule and realise that I am the only one who can save them. Mwahahahaha ;D

Seriously though, nothing we would do would change anything. Humans are greedy and selfish by nature, but that's best lift to a different thread.