Is America becoming Socialist ?

[Harbringe]

@Harbringe This explains better than I can how the Nazis were socialist. Why Nazism Was Socialism and Why Socialism Is Totalitarian. As for healthcare problems you certainly can blame it on ideology. There is no incentive whatsoever to provide a decent level of service, be efficient or answerable under a system where the state provides healthcare via mandatory taxation (National Insurance). If they screw up and get sued who pays? if they overspend who pays? who has no choice but to keep paying even if the service is appalling? yep that bottomless pit of money otherwise known as the taxpayer. In the last 13 years spending on the NHS in the UK has trebled yet there has been next to no improvement in the service, in some cases it has got worse. The reasons for this are simple. Socialists do not trust people, they insist on micromanaging everything from the centre via layers of bureaucracy who are answerable to the government rather than the users of the service . The socialists answer to every problem within an organisation such as the NHS is to throw other peoples money at it, hire more bureaucracy instead of trusting those within the organisation to manage it themselves to a set budget. At one point the under the Labour government the ratio of managers to nurses being hired was 5 to 1, you never got this waste under the previous Conservative government.

 

The guy himself states its his Thesis and its only that , a thesis, as for his argument that price and wage controls are indicative that Nazism was Socialist ,thus totalitarian is nonsense ,it was the great depression after all and capitalistic democracies were also doing the same thing which they continued to do until the end of WWII ,by that reasoning it would mean that capitalism and democracies are totalitarian by nature.Check your history they (democracies) did the same thing.

 

@Metaldragon

 

Yes your right my punctuation does suck ,but that's a rather moot point

 

I don't understand dude I'm actually saying the same thing you are, exactly the same thing.The point in the whole British vs America health care model is that you can't be using a flawed model as the basis for your conclusions as to whether something like universal health care is a flawed system ,your just going to end up with flawed conclusions.Best thing you can do is compare it to a similar system that is working and see where you went wrong.May be then you will have some answers as to what you have to do.

 

I did state that socialism does present itself as a panacea (that doesn't sound very leftist like to me),I just pointed out that conservatism has been doing the same thing.Which is saying the same thing you are in that we can't be swinging to far in the direction of either one.Otherwise you end up with one side or the other arguing point vs counterpoint and going on and on until all your doing is spinning your wheels. Like you say need leaders not politicians.

 

@GinnyFizz

 

Not trying to be harsh in saying maybe its your politicians being too stupid or your people being too selfish ,its the same for me over here in Canada.Actually had a political party in a provincial election run on a platform of patronage and win (slams head on desk) ,so I think the same of my own situation at times.

[Vagrant0]

Closing this one. Too many cyclical arguments, personal attacks, off-topic rants. One can only turn a blind eye to it for so long. You had your freedom to rant about politics, and it got you nowhere. This is why you can't have nice things.