ninja_lord666 Posted May 1, 2007 Share Posted May 1, 2007 But somehow, Martin doing his dragon thing and defeating Mehrunes protects from Oblivion, so the Dragonfires are no longer needed.Either that, or Martin didn't think his cunning plan all the way through and vulked everyone over big time. Dagon might've been thrown back into Oblivion, but that doesn't mean Nirn is once again safe from Oblivion - in fact, seeing as how Sheogorath manages to form a stable portal to his realm within Cyrodiil itself in the Shivering Isles expansion, I'd bet that the Daedra Princes might have an open season on Tamriel now.You raise an interesting point: If Martian supposedly prevented any Oblivion gates from opening and Sheogorath managed to open an Oblivion gate, did Maritan really do what he set out to do? Did he save us? I tend to think not. I think Dagon will be back with no opposition. Also, watch the date. Your post is thread necromancy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhydderch Hael Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 Read the rules. It's not thread necromancy if it picks up on the valid discussion and contributes to the thread. When Mehrunes Dagon physically appeared in the Imperial City, that was the death-nell of the Dragonfires. Period. Nothing Martin could do would change that. He himself said that Dagon's appearance was an indication that the barriers had completely broken down and that not even relighting the Dragonfires could re-establish them. In the end, Martin did the only thing he could do from then on forward— take on Mehrunes Dagon and give Tamriel one foothold, one bit of breathing space, before the next big move. Things will inevitably hearken back to the old days where practitioners had full rein of their Daedric summoning powers. Not only will lesser Daedra be able to persist, but we're going to see it become like the "good ol' days" when the Daedric Princes themselves manifested in the mortal world. Mehrunes Dagon himself will probably be licking his wounds and regaining his strength after getting the smackdown laid upon him, but the other Princes, both "good" and "bad", will likely be shuffling about. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gafgar Adolis Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 We might also see some internal power struggles among the Daedric Princes. Azura won't be happy if Dagon or Bal decide to go rampaging in Morrowind, and Hermaeus Mora might be upset at the old agreement with Sotha Sil breaking down. I wouldn't be surprised if Dagon gets a celestial ass-whooping from some of the more mortal-friendly Daedric Princes when he gets back to Oblivion. And if the Daedra do decide to start using Nirn as a playground again, we might start seeing the Nine respond as well. All in all, TESV is probably going to be VERY exciting plot-wise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhydderch Hael Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 In short, the rules you've known and played by in all previous Elder Scrolls games concerning Daedric magic— they will no longer apply. And the events described in the old books, those stories of the Daedra directly interacting with the mortal world— they won't just be folk tales anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninja_lord666 Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 Yes, I agree with you too. The daedra will be able to freely move about, so, in a sense, Mankar Camoran won. He eliminated the Septims, and brought down the barriers...sort-of. He didn't do it, but his actions caused it. Also, Gafgar, Oblivion is a part of Nirn. Nirn is the entire world. Tamriel is the continent in which TES takes place. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Povuholo Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 Also, Gafgar, Oblivion is a part of Nirn. Nirn is the entire world. Tamriel is the continent in which TES takes place.Wasn't Nirn just a planet (with Tamriel, Akavir and whatever else on it), and things like Oblivion and Aetherius different planes/dimensions? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rhydderch Hael Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 Nirn is a planet in the mortal plane of Mundus, which is surrounded by the planes of Oblivion, which shield it (imperfectly) from Aetherius that lies beyond. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ninja_lord666 Posted May 2, 2007 Share Posted May 2, 2007 Nirn is a planet in the mortal plane of Mundus, which is surrounded by the planes of Oblivion, which shield it (imperfectly) from Aetherius that lies beyond.Ahh...I was wrong then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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