Mage's Guild No Advancement Possible Bug

[DJSHAFT69]

I have a huge bug now when I get to the university and try to get my first task from RP. I never get the advancement topic, just him telling me I have to discuss my advancement and then he won't give me a task. When I use the console to move forward into the quests, I stay stuck at apprentice, and I have to console all the Mage's Guild line then no Arch Mage and Traven is still alive and will not let me in the chambers.

 

I went back and started all over again, and still it is going on. I have not changed or added any new mods since the last game, and only updated a few newer mods to put a better .esp in.

 

I have a really bad feeling it is a Midas Magic related issue, but can't get this figured out. I just updated to the last version, so that is all I can think of. I even tried my old version of Midas, and nothing.

 

Someone help!!!!

 

I have played well over 800 hours of ES4, and never had a problem like this. I've tired every program I know, CS, BOSS, Wrye, Gecko, etc... and still can't figure out the problem.

 

I can't afford to lose this game set because it is the one I am modding with and I have to keep my skills and my characters as they are, because I am building a mod section right after I get past the Mage's Guild and become Arch Mage. I would otherwise just start a new game, but it is not possible.

 

I used the same setup and mods on another game just to see if it is doing it, and not so far.

 

Anyone know what mod or conflict might be doing this???

[Hickory]

Exactly what stage of the quest are you at?

[DJSHAFT69]

Just got all my recoomendations and got the staff finished. Right after you get the staff you report to RP for an assignment. He has to promote you to journeyman, but I never get past that point. He tells me he has a new task for me which should be Ulterior Motives.

 

This is the quest and this is as far as I can get. I am stuck at apprentice and cannot get any new tasks or get my advancement to move forward.

 

Quick Walkthrough

1.Speak with Raminus Polus about the Arcane University, once accepted your task is to have a personal Staff made.

2.Travel to Wellspring Cave only to discover there is a problem with the Mages who guard this sacred place.

3.Make your way through the Cave, taking care of (or avoiding) any enemies you encounter.

4.On the other side of Wellspring Cave you will be accosted by some necromancers who also need to be killed.

5.Take the wood from the Chest and return to Raminus, who instructs you to go see Delmar in the Chironasium.

6.Delmar asks you to choose the type of enchantment you would like and requests a full day's time to finish the work.

7.Return after a day has passed and Delmar will tell you to retrieve your custom Staff from the cupboard in the back.

8.After you have your Staff go see Raminus to be promoted to Journeyman.

 

At #8 it just locks up and I can't go past that. I just stand there asking for a task, and he says "Before we move on we must discuss your advancement." then nothing but that when asked about "tasks".

 

If I use the console to initiate the next quest, I am stuck at apprentice, and it rogers the damn Mage's Guild quests like a poodle in a mastiff run. I then have to get each quest to start with the console, then I finish and am not advanced and no new quest will start, and no matter how far I go and complete using console codes, I am stuck as a forever apprentice and never get access to the council chambers or become Arch Mage.

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I will say that in all my years playing and modding ES4, I have never had this problem and not really heard of anyone else having it. I am completely baffled because this is the same modlist and almost the same load order. I ran CS looking for the conflict or even any lines of code that could be doing this, and I find nothing. Found all sorts of little bugs and glitches with a lot of my mods, but I Bash them into shape and those have nothing at all to do with anything in the Mage's Guild.

 

I am at a loss for words here. Someone has to know what is wrong. I am really thinking it has to be something related to Midas Magic, but not sure if anyone has any bug reports like this.

 

I am pretty sure this has never really come up before because there is no topic at Bethsoft I can find, and no one I know at Zen has ever even seen it before. I thought I could just console RP to advance me, but this is not a bug anyone has seen, so no one has made a console code to resolve it.

[Megatarius]

How far into Midas are you?

 

Have you tried doing this without Midas on?

 

 

I know, I know..... :confused:

[Lexx666]

I have had the same bug like you :wallbash:

 

Problem resolved itself after waiting a few days outside of the university.

 

I think that middas magic isnt involved in that kind of bug. I have been trough the midas magic esp, and there is nothing changing the vanilla scripts in a way that could actually break the game at this point.

 

Im telling you that i have had the EXACTLY same bug. The thing was that i waited ingame(or slept, cant remember very well though) and at this point i didnt had midas magic installed.

 

This might or might not help you solve the problem.

 

Try it. Maybe it works. :thumbsup:

[Hickory]

Ok, there is a bug in the quest 'A Mage's Staff' that could well be related. Quoting UESP:

"Sometimes (especially in modded games) the other two necromancers won't appear on the island after you get through Wellspring Cave, meaning even if you grab the staff in the chest after killing the first necromancer on the island, the quest cannot be completed, as Raminus Polus will tell you to go get the staff. If this should happen, see the console codes below to manually move the quest forward."

 

It may be worth checking that you have killed all three necromancers in the glade. It may also be worth advancing each stage of the quest in turn, as per:

10 I need to find the grove near Wellspring Cave, northeast of the Imperial City, to acquire wood for my Mage's Staff.

 

20 I have arrived at Wellspring Cave. I should speak with Elette [sic] or Zahrasha.

 

22 (If stage ≥ 30) I have found Zahrasha, who is dead. or

(If stage < 30) I have found Zahrasha, who is dead. I should investigate what happened to her.

 

25 (If stage ≥ 30) I have found Eletta, who is dead. or

(If stage < 30) I have found Eletta, who is dead. I should find out what happened to her.

 

30 (If player has staff) The necromancers that ambushed me have been defeated. I need to take this unfinished staff, and get back to Raminus Polus to tell him what's happened. or

(If player does not have staff)The necromancers that ambushed me have been defeated. I need to get wood for a staff, and get back to Raminus Polus to tell him what's happened.

 

40 I have checked in with Raminus Polus. I now need to find Delmar in the Arcane University.

 

50 I've chosen a staff, and need to speak to Delmar when it's complete.

 

100 Finishes quest My Mage's Staff is complete.

 

 

You only other alternatives appear to be (a) wait for 72 hours, as suggested, or (b) load a previously saved game.

[DJSHAFT69]

I already tried going back to the sewer and just doing the Mage's admission quests. but it still happened. That is what made me finally break down and ask for help. I started using that SHOUT mod last month, so maybe it rubbed off. I even started a new game on a different computer with no Midas Magic at all.

 

The same mods I use now got me all the way through a whole game with a Battlemage setup so I know it is not the mods I am running, just maybe an updated .esp or .esm. I did update all my mods and got all the latest patched versions in the end of July and updated the major mods as they put out patches or hotfixes.

 

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Ok, I just waited about 1 week by taking a really long trip by sea to one of my mods. I did try without Midas Magic, but it is the same thing. I know I killed all the necros because they are now on display in my armor room. Still not able to advance, so I'm just going to finish the other parts of the game and some mods for now.

 

I'll go back and see if anything changes after I become Champion and start my Verona House questline. I really don't care about the Mage's stuff now except that I need it completed so I can do Mannimarco but have not put in Mannimarco yet, so that is not a problem with that mod.

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I have a total copy of my vanilla install without any mods except for the body, armor and clothes replacers, and it still will not let me advance. I have heard of this a few times somehow being a UOP32 and Qarls problem but it baffles me as to how it could be that way.

 

I will read all the helpful advice and try a few more tricks. Seems like a very rare bug, as none of my freinds have ever heard of a console command set up to advance just your rank in the Mages Guild. I went back and did the quest, got a different staff, and still the problem is there. I'll just hold up and wait a while now.

 

I even tried getting to the last part before having Delmar make it--and then advancing the quest with the console-- no luck.

I even pulled the old hand it in and then steal it out of the cabinet, got the quest advance, but then RP is still stuck.

 

I have at least 100 hours of other questlines and mod stuff, but was really wanting to do the evil mage thing and betray the MG and become the most hated necro in the land. Oh well, I'll just have to see if waiting it out works.

 

Funniest thing about this is that on my completed quests, it has the quest finished. I got the completed message 4-5 times now and then it locks up. Actually he was telling me about discussing my advancement before I even got admitted to the university after I reloaded from the sewers.

 

I'll wait a while and play some of the mods I've never had time to to enjoy because of the vanilla completion blur. I can't believe I am wasting so much time on a vanilla part of the game, but I really want to play two mods that require you to be the freaking Arch Mage. Traven Must Die!