Should K2 be illegal?

[Balagor]

@zprospero

If minors are left out of legal purchasing of be it K2 or pot, won´t they go to they "nasty" dealers then?

What minors want, minors will get. :thumbsup:

 

They'll probably do much the same as they do with cigarettes and alcohol, eg, have someone else buy them, use fake IDs, etc.

 

Exactly. 2 years ago, we passed a law here in DK, that only those above 15 can by tobacco and alcohol. I still see drunken, smoking minors every weekend in the streets.

Not that it bothers me, it is their choice, I just try to say that laws does not always work, as the are intended to, why then have them at all.

@zprospero

As for looking into all options, before we make a move, and perhaps have a committee to investigate it throughout. That sounds like my government :tongue: , and souch things take time. It is obvius to anyone, and without any committee looking into it, that illegallecy (can you say that? :woot: ) creates crimes.

[gormonk]

yes if it give a higher high than mary-jane(dope/weed/what ever you call the illegil substance that you smoke either the leaf's or "buds" of) and not ban outher substances such as alcohol.... everythings better when your drunk... i think...

[zprospero]

@zprospero

As for looking into all options, before we make a move, and perhaps have a committee to investigate it throughout. That sounds like my government :tongue: , and souch things take time. It is obvius to anyone, and without any committee looking into it, that illegallecy (can you say that? :woot: ) creates crimes.

 

Yes, but the emotional 'knee-jerk' reaction is "it's a drug, it should be illegal". People need to get beyond that and look at the circumstances.

 

They've already banned K2 in parts of my country, the US. A major city in the state I live is already cracking down. I really doubt they had a committee.

 

In truth, committees (in America at least) very seldom accomplish anything except tying things up. How much more I could trust one person I knew had a brain, then 1000 I'm not sure of... But that's another debate. :tongue:

[species5478]

So one of the professors here on campus was caught smoking one of the harsher brands in the spice collection. (Triple XXX) He can't be fired, because it's not illegal. But he's been put on administrative leave for improperly using the spice. It says on the label, NOT FOR HUMAN CONSUMPTION. Now the lawyers are involved. But isn't this true for a lot of chemicals and ingredients in the world?

 

My questions?

If K2 becomes illegal, shouldn't we make all chemicals illegal? Whey isn't glue illegal? People sniff glue to get high, too. But since K2 is legal, shouldn't everything just be legal? Even the bad stuff, like Meth, or cocaine?

[grannywils]

I will play Devil's Advocate here for a moment in response to your last question, Species. As you probably know by now, I am pretty much against any form of censorship or government meddling in what people choose to ingest, etc, etc. However, if you say why shouldn't we just make everything legal, even the bad stuff? There are those who might ask, why don't we just make everything illegal, even the good stuff? However, I'm thinking back to prohibition and how badly that worked. My husband died from alcohol. If I thought that there was a way to prevent it's use, I don't know what I would say. My son is a recovering alcoholic. He has been dry for over 3 years. In my opinion alcohol is just as deadly as many of the drugs being discussed here and used by many young people today. I just believe that this is a very serious subject, and one that cannot be treated lightly. Many of these chemicals can kill people. Some of them are just fun. There are many drugs, such as nicotine and alcohol that are perfectly legal that are just as deadly or perhaps more so than the the ones that are not legal. So K2 is just the newest in a long list of "latest drugs of choice" for the younger set. As I mentioned in an earlier post. I was young once. Just be careful out there. But if at all possible, try to listen to those of us who do care and have been there.

[Balagor]

Granny & Species, I belive that we can agree a long way. I also agree that alcohol is as deadly as heroin, it just takes a few more years to die from it.

With that said I do not agree with an entire prohibition. I do not think a prohibition could have save your husbands live, Granny, nor keeping your son from drinking. You only have to think back to the 1920th. Not only did people drink more alcohol, but crime also florish during theese times. Illigal liquor even helped the mafia to be established.

Furthermore, do we want to prohibit all drugs/chemicals we have to make the entire nature illigal. I do know that some states in US have tried to. Mushrooms, and the famous mescaline cactus (from your area Species) are illegal to posses, digest and grow. But to administer theese laws is going to be very difficult, and very expensive.

And when we know from previous experiences that total prohibition creates crime, why not go the other way and have all drugs government controlled and legal. Yes, that is also expensive, but it will then be taxed, and all drug dealers will be out of job.

 

More drug adicts? I realy do not think so. If people want drugs they BUY drugs, because they can ALWAYS buy drugs.

Heavy drugs, like heroin and amfetemine? Of cause only by doctors prescription, and ONLY for heavy addicted drug addicts that can NOT be cured. This is for a doctor to deside.

 

So what do I mean? Should young people be able to by all kind of drugs in special stores?

No, not all. Soft drugs like weed, K2, cat, alcohol tobacco should be available in shops for theese articles.

Hard drugs should never be given to some one new, but only with a doctors help to those incurable addicted.

[species5478]

Thanks for the comments. Very agreeable points, especially concerning prohibition. I'm always of the mind, that freedom isn't (or shouldn't be) governed by law. It's a state of being. I have absolute say over what goes in, and comes out of my body and mind. If I don't...then perhaps I'm not free. Of course, the guise comes in the form of law. Lawyers argue over our "right" to smoke K2, or not smoke K2. But it has nothing to do with K2...Aren't they really just arguing over how much control to inflict on us?

[Balagor]

Thanks for the comments. Very agreeable points, especially concerning prohibition. I'm always of the mind, that freedom isn't (or shouldn't be) governed by law. It's a state of being. I have absolute say over what goes in, and comes out of my body and mind. If I don't...then perhaps I'm not free. Of course, the guise comes in the form of law. Lawyers argue over our "right" to smoke K2, or not smoke K2. But it has nothing to do with K2...Aren't they really just arguing over how much control to inflict on us?

 

Exactly. That´s what I think they tried to to with the alcohol prohibition nearly 100 years ago. Controle. Society was more puritan at that time, and modest relegious foreces would bring back America to it´s pride. (that is what one can Goggle about the prohibition, correct me if I´m wrong).

It is however the same situation today. Other branches of the society want´s to controle what another part of the society is doing. Simple. That is controle, and not freedom.