"Islamic Extremeist Terrorist", or, Just 'Terrorist'?

[HeyYou]

And you think because we have never lived under muslim rule, we are ignorant of those little tidbits? You seriously underestimate westerners. Probably not politicians though......

[sunshinenbrick]

I think it is very profound to claim that everyone that finds solice in a set of beliefs is a part of, and implicit in, all the goings on of that following, all its people, in the past, present and future. Not forgetting that within these communities and cultures there are many diversifications and widely different practices.

 

If we used this logic we would have to also ask if Einstein was directly responsible for Hiroshima or whether Adam Smith was directly responsible for economic recession. Or maybe even that by putting petrol in my car I am personally responsible for dying polar bears or by having a bank account, directly responsible for any illegal practices of that bank.

 

If this is the case then we all have blood on our hands... and maybe we do, yet pointing the finger and claiming innocence is the real pinnacle of arrogance and hypocracy, which I imagine is the very thing that people find repulsive.

 

The only real difference that I can see is that the methods are different as, let's face it, world domination is the real end goal on all sides.

 

One method is a "hands-on" approach, if you will, while the other is via a proxy, a sniper's approach.

 

Vis a vis one side does its deeds and tries its best to justify and hide their part in it while the other side does things in a personal and graphic way then posts it all over the internet to say "look what I did!"

[Aurielius]

I have found that the 'it's all relative' argument when comparing methods of warfare is usually made by someone who has never seen an iota of war themselves. The entire concept of the Nuremberg Trails was to identify and prosecute 'crimes against humanity'. We have Rules of Engagement which preclude the summary massacre of captured civilians and combatants, failing that working there is JAG, failing that the World Court. There have been prohibitions of what is considered outside the realm of acceptable warfare conduct since the first Geneva Convention.

[sunshinenbrick]

While I agree the majority are not on the front lines we all know many who are/have, including my father who was once at gunpoint while working on oil rigs. War takes many manifestations, and especially in this time of drones and cyberwar, its effects on the countries and people that are not being carpet bombed can become a lot more subtle but is as equally powerful. War effects everybody, from the soldiers right down to the people back home who are a part of that effort.

 

What about things like Guantanamo Bay? Just because something is 'legal', does not make it ethically right.

[baluga101]

The culprits are the ones who brought ISIS to existence. They are the ones who supply and fund ISIS. That should be enough of a hint. I should clarify in that while the OP thinks this so called "Islamic Extremism" is the current most dangerous thing to the world, Id say they are far from it, they are one of many but not the biggest and just the current scapegoat for the West (invented and made BY the West) to use to hide their own atrocities and crimes and further their own greedy illegal gains.

 

Also we in the West will always get only one side of the story... the side that always paints the true aggressors as the liberating saviors.

[Aurielius]

@Baluga

Using that logic the allies were responsible for the Holocaust because they failed to stop Hitler at the Munich Conference

 

@Sunshinebrick.

The detainees at Gitmo are alive and being treated according to the code which is more than can be said of their prisoners. The norm with POW's is to be held until the conflict ends or a prisoner exchange is arranged. Personally I would have given them a Saigon Helicopter Ride.

[sunshinenbrick]

Thing that scares me most is that, the way things are going any one of us can now be put on a terroist watchlist just by saying the wrong thing (truth). We also now have the technologies to implement a Minority Report type pre-emptive justice system. Calculate your demographic, track your activities and if you fit the profile you could be 'corrected'.

 

I think these are the more 'subtle' effects of war that is only just beginning to sink in. I would also say that while it is difficult to console blame to one party or individual because war is complex and is immensely profitable, the effects of these circumstances continue to have impact on our lives and social conscience.

 

In the scale of things, 60 -70 years is very little and it is not as if the world has been at peace since 1945.

 

I'd say the conditions have become less obvious because of the investigatory journalism that goes on, but I do not think they are all alive and well. The code is pretty horrific, from what has been released.

[HeyYou]

The culprits are the ones who brought ISIS to existence. They are the ones who supply and fund ISIS. That should be enough of a hint. I should clarify in that while the OP thinks this so called "Islamic Extremism" is the current most dangerous thing to the world, Id say they are far from it, they are one of many but not the biggest and just the current scapegoat for the West (invented and made BY the West) to use to hide their own atrocities and crimes and further their own greedy illegal gains.

 

Also we in the West will always get only one side of the story... the side that always paints the true aggressors as the liberating saviors.

So you believe that ISIS is a product of the west? I am real curious how you come to that conclusion, considering that ISIS started up in Syria, and we did nothing there until it became obvious that ISIS was NOT the JV team of terrorism.

 

Also, I don't do 'hints', spell it out for me.

[sunshinenbrick]

 

The culprits are the ones who brought ISIS to existence. They are the ones who supply and fund ISIS. That should be enough of a hint. I should clarify in that while the OP thinks this so called "Islamic Extremism" is the current most dangerous thing to the world, Id say they are far from it, they are one of many but not the biggest and just the current scapegoat for the West (invented and made BY the West) to use to hide their own atrocities and crimes and further their own greedy illegal gains.

 

Also we in the West will always get only one side of the story... the side that always paints the true aggressors as the liberating saviors.

So you believe that ISIS is a product of the west? I am real curious how you come to that conclusion, considering that ISIS started up in Syria, and we did nothing there until it became obvious that ISIS was NOT the JV team of terrorism.

 

Also, I don't do 'hints', spell it out for me.

 

 

I wouldn't say it was designed and created *poof* just like that. Neither was it certain what form it would take, but when the politcal vacuums are created through subversion by both western influence and conflict within the area, the result we have is not exactly a surprise. I also find it hard to believe that countries that have the intelligence agencies, think tanks and the money behind them, never even contemplated the scenarios that have resulted over the past 30 or so years...

 

None of the wars or conflicts/interests are new and have a highly complicated history. Let us also not forget that the current borders of countries we see on our maps are a UN 'invention', many basically just divided and penciled in after wars when things are up for grabs.

[Aurielius]

@Sunshinebrick

 

Mild History lesson:

The current artificial borders of the middle east that ignored the composition of the historical Ottoman Provinces were created in Versailles in 1918.

The UN was established in 1945.

The English and French carved up the defeated Central Powers territorial assets as reparations for the war.

The Austro-Hungarian Empire was dismembered as was the Ottoman Empire almost entirely by Anglo French design.

Wilson in fact was appalled at this, but acceded in order to get the League of Nations accepted.