Load Times and Censorship

[LordKinoda]

Not sure what has recently happened to the forums (heh, I say "recently" but this has been happening to me for a few months now), but the pages are incredibly slow to load. Even now, I'm typing up this text for this post in my microsoft wordpad because the message box for the text slowly ticks along as I type it in. I don't see how this can be anything I have done, because I haven't changed anything about my internet options, preferences, blocked sites, etc. Everything is the same as it was the last time the forums were working for me correctly. The Nexus sites themselves are fine, it's only the forums. Any ideas what could be causing it ? Is it only me ?

 

 

 

And now to my thoughts on censorship. The image sections have already been censored, and now it's the comments turn ? I made another thread a few months back when the image section was changed asking why and I still say the answer is lackluster at best. You guys wanted to try and limit the amount of nude and pornographic images in the section. Okay. But you allowed them for so long with no change, and still allow them I'm told in another section, although I can't find it (and haven't really looked because I don't come to this site for porn; there are plenty of other easier ways to find it on the net without having to resort to coming here for it). I'm just not keen on the idea of censoring at all. And make no mistake about it, it's still censoring, no matter how one would like to sugarcoat it. I'm plenty capable of filtering out which images I want to view and don't want to. It's not necessary for you to do so for me.

 

Now the comments. Do you guys seriously get numerous amounts of complaints from modders something to the tune of "they hate my mod and they told me so" ? I'm all for cracking down on blatantly obscene or rude comments, but a little allowance should be in order. Stopping modders from getting their feelings hurt should not be your job. And throwing in a few thoughts about something that isn't entirely relevant to the mod shouldn't be a gigantic deal either.

 

You've ran the site basically the same way for years and almost seem to be moving towards blanket censorship. To me, that was one of the great things about these sites, that you allowed just about anything and didn't care what anybody thought about it. What's next, no more adult mods at all without a paid membership ? I don't think you can do that, so you won't. So that would mean no more adult mods of any kind ? On games that are already made explicitly for adults anyway. And by 'adult mods' I'm not just reffering to nudity/sexual type content. This would also include violence/language/etc. Anything that's too much for the younger audience to understand, comprehend, handle, or truly enjoy. That would probably be the next to last straw for this user (and many others I'm sure) for coming to these sites at all. You would just be BioWare/Bethesda social site with a different skin were all that to come to fruition.

 

 

 

From this mod's comment section:

 

DarkeWolf: Seriously? Seriously. You felt the need to spam up this mod page with that much stuff that is completely irrelevant to the mod's performance, and you wonder why the staff has to tighten the belt in regards to inappropriate posting?

 

 

You couldnt take that to a thread out in the open forums to put out your opinion on the way the site is being handled?

 

 

Maybe tho, its because at LEAST 50% of the user reports that we get everyday are reports filed by members reporting abuse of the file uploads and images comments sections? Maybe thats why. Maybe we can possibly keep some of these people from getting themselves banned for expressing their opinion when it is not appropriate for them to be expressed in the manner in which they expressed it.

 

 

Maybe its because people just dont follow the rules. http://www.thenexusforums.com/index.php?app=forums&module=extras&section=boardrules

/End Warning

 

 

Wow, I hardly feel that was "that much stuff" or spam. Two tiny paragraphs, not an entire post like this one. But as I stated at the top of this post, the forums are really messed up for me, thus I was a little hesitant about coming in here making a new post, but I'm more than happy to suck it up a little and deal with the sluggishness if I absolutely positively must.

 

Maybe we can possibly keep some of these people from getting themselves banned for expressing their opinion when it is not appropriate for them to be expressed in the manner in which they expressed it.

 

Was I not appropriate in my expression of my opinion ? It was only a small thought on another users comment. I guess not in terms of that new TOS rule about not posting things relevant to the mod at hand, but that goes back to the problem with the forums and how fast they load for me. It's not as if I've been going around to as many mods as I can throwing in tidbits about how the site is run. Regardless, I'll bring all future greivances to this section from now on, and just deal with the slow running forum.

 

Members of all ages make use of Nexus sites both young and old. As a result the maturity of content can vary and you are encouraged to simply move on and ignore any content that you believe may be below you.

 

To me this would seem to suggest that forum censorship shouldn't be bothered with either. I'm mostly referring to language. Adult language should fully be allowed, especially considering that all three games of the Nexus are rated M for Mature. Meaning they are ALL intended for adults, and so nobody should be offended if they happen upon swear words in a post. And if they are I would question why they play games such as these three in the first place. Or simply point them to the above quote: "Move on and ignore any content that you believe may be below you". Sounds reasonable enough to me. I'm not saying that somebody going off on a crazed swearing tangent shouldn't be reined in, but if a s**t, f*ck, or variations thereof are thrown in for a little spice to the post why not allow it ? Seriously, tell me that 95% of the population of the US/UK/Europe/Asia don't swear at least a little on a daily basis during casual conversation or observations.

 

Anyway, hope I don't sound like I'm rantly madly or attacking anybody. Because that's definitely not my intention. These are simply my own observations and thoughts. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Eiries]

-First, what Vanduo posted is what's known as flamebait. See, this is a site where people make things for a game and are kind enough to share it with the community. Let's make an analogy here:

 

Someone grows apples. Lots of them. They decide to share the apples with everyone. Many people are happy. One person doesn't like apples. He can either a: not take an apple, or b: whine about how said apple-grower shouldn't bother growing apples because they don't like them.

 

That would be awfully silly of them, wouldn't it? Yet still folks find it necessary to whine about things people make and share with the community because it's not directly to their tastes. No. You have a right to have an opinion. It doesn't mean anybody wants to hear it. Constructive criticism is one thing. Whining is annoying. And yes, if it gets bad enough, it's punishable. That being said, he wasn't. It was you that was scolded, because you decided to bring up your opinions about how the site is run, which, like it was already stated, was completely irrelevant to the mod itself. Which I guess is why you're here, since he recommended you.

 

-I don't want to bother talking about the vulgarity filter. There's no reason this site needs to be flooded with vulgarity. Only thing about it that bothers me is that it filters PMs as well as the forums. While I can understand wanting to keep a forum language clean, PMs are more... personal. I don't think they should be subject to the same restrictions. But I can live with it.

 

-The imageshare is a real easy thing to figure out. You can pay $1.60 and have access to the Supporter section, where you can post anything as long as it's of legal value.

 

and haven't really looked because I don't come to this site for porn...

 

I...I don't know why I hear this so often. It's for adult content, not porn. There's sexual content there, but there's a lot of tasteful nudes, and even non-nudes there. Dark0ne wanted to make the imageshare a bit cleaner, and placed a special section for those that were willing to let go of an insignificant amount of money to prove they have access to a bank account. It's done a darn good job keeping both kids and trolls out, and still leaves a place where people can post such content.

 

-And finally, the lagging... try switching the theme to White. The switcher is on the bottom left-hand corner of the page.

 

Stay safe, hope the site runs better for you in the future.

[bben46]

Please read the terms and conditions - especially the parts about trolling and flaming. Making rude comments with the intent of drawing someone into a reply to defend themselves is one form of trolling - also known as flame baiting. Replying to such posts is called 'feeding the trolls'. Making a blatantly offensive remark - such as 'you suck', or any variant - even if it is couched in comments like 'no offense intended' is flaming and will be penalized.

 

Our image share was originally intended as a place to post game related pics. We allowed nudes as long as they were game related. However, some people were not satisfied with that and just prior to the change the majority of the image share was nudes. It got to where anyone looking for non nude pics had to wade through 20 or more nude pics to find any that were not. The Nexus image share was becoming a go to site for kids to see pixel porn. And that was not it's intended purpose. So Dark0ne instituted the adult only supporters image section with a very small fee - Less than US $2 - most kiddies don't have access to a credit card so that keeps them out.

 

And as for the reason we come down hard on those who try, click on the 'Add Images' section of the image share and you will find a large pink box with the warning - NO Nudity Allowed.- It is above the submit button. In order to post a nude image you must first get passed that warning. So those you see being banned have actually gone out of their way to break the rules. :wallbash:

 

As to our word censor, the purpose is not to limit expression, but to enhance it. Those few people who cannot express themselves without resorting to profanity will find their vocabulary greatly expanded when they are encouraged to not use words that they probably wouldn't use in front of their grandmother. :whistling:

[Surenas]

So those you see being banned have actually gone out of their way to break the rules. :wallbash:

 

Not really, cos laying newbies aside especially routiniers easily stumble over their routine, that is to pass the upload process almost subconsciously and to find (hopefully directly) their images in the wrong section - normal images in the supporter section and vice versa. This has nothing to do with bad intentions or a lack of intelligence, but with the above mentioned routine. It happened to me twice in both directions, though thanks to Fortuna I've realized the mistake directly. But if one does not check immediately what one has uploaded one comes as meat to dinner... enjoy your meal!

[BlackBaron2]

How do you miss pop-ups and a big pink box?

[Surenas]

How do you miss pop-ups and a big pink box?

 

Very easy - your experienced subconsciousness does not reckon with a change, and until a mistake is made and verified it acts automatically and believes everything that was fine is still fine and fine forever. It's thus a matter of habit and concentration. Experienced car drivers are likewise often involved in such "rookie mistakes", sometimes with fatal outcome. I had to qualify my earlier statement since I've made the upload mistake myself. Nobody is perfect.

[XTR3M368]

I really don't want to be involved in the conversation about the policy part of this, but would like to address the loading slow issue. I use Firefox and have no issue with loading speed. Every once in a while, there will be too many connects on the server and I will get a slight lag or the "too many connects' redirect screen. This is because of the popularity of the site and unfortunately something to live with if you want to use the best site for mods on the net. I do have a slight advantage maybe with loading times as I have a 16MEG connection. I always get right at the capped 500kb downloads....usually 490kb or higher....so it is not everyone that is experiencing slow downs....mine is working great. :thumbsup:

[evilneko]

Load times: Must be a browser issue. Not having a problem here, currently using Opera 10.63.

 

Image share changes: Read this thread. Ultimately it was Dark0ne's decision and is not likely to ever be reversed. As you can see by the length of that thread, the issue has been beaten to death.

 

As for the rest, it has been hashed and rehashed too (particularly you are but one of many to bring up the "these games are rated M!" argument). Yes, the curse word filter is annoying. I still wish they'd disable it in the RP section. And trolling is trolling, which the moderators are doing their job to control. You really want the nexus to become like 4chan? You think there was a time when it actually was? Seriously? Now who's trolling?

[LordKinoda]

Constructive criticism is one thing. Whining is annoying. And yes, if it gets bad enough, it's punishable.

 

In the end, yes, it's annoying. Doesn't change the fact that it shouldn't be allowed. Unless it's done over and over, or in a extremely hateful manner. Expressing your opinion on a mod shouldn't be blocked or censored just because you don't like it or didn't add something constructive. Obviously if a poster is blantantly flaming or trolling they should be stopped. Which should be a simple thing for a moderator to find out no ? Just look at that posters history right ? I don't know.

 

-I don't want to bother talking about the vulgarity filter. There's no reason this site needs to be flooded with vulgarity.

 

Never said it should. But a few words here and there shouldn't be a big deal.

 

placed a special section for those that were willing to let go of an insignificant amount of money to prove they have access to a bank account. It's done a darn good job keeping both kids and trolls out, and still leaves a place where people can post such content.

 

When you look at it like that I suppose it makes sense. It just seems too much when coupled with the other forms of censorship.

 

-And finally, the lagging... try switching the theme to White. The switcher is on the bottom left-hand corner of the page

 

The skinbox thing ? Not interested in paying to switch a forum color. Thanks anyway.

 

As to our word censor, the purpose is not to limit expression, but to enhance it. Those few people who cannot express themselves without resorting to profanity will find their vocabulary greatly expanded when they are encouraged to not use words that they probably wouldn't use in front of their grandmother.

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I'm plenty capable of expressing myself without using profanity. Doesen't mean I shouldn't still have the option if I want to use it. Everybody on this site should be an adult anyway. And if they aren't, it still shouldn't matter. Because there is no way they have true virgin ears if they are at least 13 years old and have access to the internet. Again, I wasen't advocating wanton use of it, just the allowance to let a few fly here and there, similar to casual conversation you might have with your friends.

 

And trolling is trolling, which the moderators are doing their job to control.

 

It's all well and good to rein in trolling. But throwing in one or two off topic observations shouldn't be a big deal. Unless, yes, you do it all the time to many different people. Which, again, could easily be identified by a moderator.

 

You think there was a time when it actually was? Seriously? Now who's trolling?

 

*sigh* It's never been my intention to troll. Only to express my opinion on this topic. If you feel I'm only here to try and get a rise out of somebody you are mistaken.

 

 

[Pushkatu]

The skinbox thing ? Not interested in paying to switch a forum color. Thanks anyway.

 

You don't have to pay in order to change the colour, you just.... do it. :smile:

 

 

Cheers,

Pushkatu!