New distribution permissions options for all files

[Surenas]

I don't want to see unknown quotes from elsewhere put in my mouth again !!!

These impertinences have to end here and now. Understood?! Fine.

This is not Radio Yerevan, you see, where the insult is integral part of the fool show.

 

And folks, it's really the last humbug to try to justify mod piracy by pointing a finger at others here. That doesn't work, to say the least, neither on the Nexus nor on another game forum. But perhaps in the Land of Cockaigne all fools vividly dream of, who knows?

Anyway, all that can be said on our rejection of mod piracy is already said. As such the devil may care cos he loves thievery followed by backdoor selling of phantasmagorias above all. You'd think it'd perhaps be better to ban his disciples already before they get down to their rogue misson, a mission that directly leads to the end of a Nexus I've signed in already long before its making. Thus finalize a decision. Still you have the option.

[MrFlesh]

"it was a frakkin' final one: "

 

Battlestar Galactica

 

It was only one post down

Edited November 14, 2010 by MrFlesh

[ginnyfizz]

MrFlesh, I think AlienSlof made a highly pertinent point. You are making a lot of allegations, it seems, just for the hell of it, but not actually getting your facts straight. You talk in sweeping generalizations. There ARE mods that are rips, no-one denies that. But for the most part the modders who are protesting are the ones who have had original content messed with and hijacked.

[Zaldir]

MrFlesh... That is a normal expression, not only usedin Battlestar Galactica.

 

It seems you think everything which have been used in a movie or game is copyrighted material, which would mean we couldn't be talking at all here now, because I am quite sure every word we speak have been used in a movie...

 

And about Slof's Alyx Vance outfit conversion...

XCommand says in the description that you can do whatever you want with the mod, as long as you give proper credit. That is exactly what Slof has done.

 

You got to be able to see the difference between permitted use of content and the non permitted use. This is something you clearly can't.

[MrFlesh]

Frakkin' didn't become an expression till battlestar gallactica came out. Nobody said that s..t till 2004.

 

"It seems you think everything which have been used in a movie or game is copyrighted material,"

 

I don't think that at all. We've already established there is no legal recourse if someone rips off your mod. So someone decided to move the goal posts by stating law doesn't matter as it will be TES doing the protecting. Which means the argument comes down to "You shouldn't rip off other peoples work"

 

"XCommand says in the description that you can do whatever you want with the mod, as long as you give proper credit. "

 

 

Ahh but it wasn't XCommand's permission to give, he isn't even permitted to use it. Alyx Vance imagery is owned by Valve. Now that we are on the topic of Xcommand he is another popular modder who rips content namely Faith from Mirrors Edge & Blood Rayne from well bloodrayne

 

"There ARE mods that are rips, no-one denies that. But for the most part the modders who are protesting are the ones who have had original content messed with and hijacked."

 

Give me some examples...I want to see what I can dig up.

 

Which brings up another valid point. Let's say TES protects peoples mods. You can't selectively ban someone for ripping off something done by slof but give a greenlight to xcommand, through inaction, to rip off valve. Don't you think a lot of REAL IP holders would find it interesting that TES nexus, a for profit site, is dictating who can and cannot ripoff what IP?

 

Do you now see where I'm coming from?

[Zaldir]

When I said that it is Dark0ne and the moderators who are protecting mods, and now laws, I meant only when people are ripping off of other mods, not ripping of games - when that happens, it's up to the laws of the country/state where the original content was created.

 

And yes, Frakkin' didn't become an expression until after Galactica came out, but it is not a copyrighted expression...

 

And for the Alyx Vance mod; you do realize XCommand made the model and texture himself, which means it is not copyrighted. It is only actual ripping when people use a model/texture directly from another game. Not when people use other games/movies as references when they make their own version of it.

[MrFlesh]

That is not true. You cannot ripoff imagery and representation....you even have to be careful with references. That is whay Aqua was sued by Mattel for the song Barbie Girl. Why do you think there isn't total product placement in video games? Why do you think GT5 doesn't include cars they were not given permission to use?

 

I can not build a car that looks exactly like a ford mustang and distribute it to the world as a ford mustang.

 

But why should modders get the protection and not the holders of actual protected IP? After all we are no longer talking about what is legal, that conversation is finish, we are now talking about the sole concept of not ripping people off. If you are going to start questioning validity of someones mod then shouldn't you also be data mining that mod and make sure it wasn't built with stolen software or licensed textures?

Edited November 14, 2010 by MrFlesh

[Zaldir]

Just before we finish the conversation of legalities, I want to add that it is a difference between commercial use of content and non-commercial use.

 

But, ripping people off is really a rare occasion on the Nexus. Sure, people use resources from other mods, but on most occasions they have either asked for permission and gotten it, or the description of the mod they have borrowed content from state that they can use it freely.

[Surenas]

"it was a frakkin' final one: "

 

Battlestar Galactica

 

It was only one post down

 

You've failed, MrFlesh - I haven't yet seen the series. You see, I simply don't live in your strange fantasy world where every frakkin' word allegedly has an already pirated copyright, but only to justify common mod piracy here on the Nexus. That said, I'm really fed up with your tortuous Caribbean maneuvering, I must add.

However that be, I customize the games myself since 2002, so whatever originates from overhasty decisions driven by an actual Fallout twin populism has almost no impact here at home, thank heavens!

Sorry folks, I back out of this sour tasting thread. The mod future - if there's still a pirate-free left, and I begin to doubt that - is yours. Good luck, you'll need it.

[ginnyfizz]

 

"There ARE mods that are rips, no-one denies that. But for the most part the modders who are protesting are the ones who have had original content messed with and hijacked."

 

Give me some examples...I want to see what I can dig up.

 

 

I am not about to help you in what seems to be a crusade to make trouble. All along, I have argued that the reason (see Dark0ne's OP in this thread) for the reiteration and reinforcement of the rules was the fact that mods were getting taken from FO3 and used for NV without permission. That is a fact. I have also argued that the case by case decision scenario in relation to absent modders work is likely to be fraught with difficulty.