VolkiharFiend Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 I've played Oblivion and all I remember was a group of assassins from the Mythic Dawn cult killed the emperor to destabilize the barriers between Mundus and Oblivion so Mehrunes Dagon's forces could invade. All set in motion by Mankar Camoran, their fanatical leader who though Dagon was the rightful ruler of Mundus. As far as I know Talos had nothing to do with setting the events in motion unless I'm not getting something in the bigger picture. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lachdonin Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Talos gave a blessing to the Nerevarine, helping ensure he deactivated Red Tower, a crucial point in the Mythic Dawn's plan. Talos also straight up said that it was time for a change, and the old Empire (referring most likely to the Dragonborn Emperors) had to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VolkiharFiend Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 I see. I'm guessing this is from Morrowind's plot (I've never played it). Still. I don't see why he'd want a demonic entity from the bowels of Oblivion to come up and reinforce his swag on Mundus. Maybe he has the same view on the empire that the Stormcloaks do, that the empire is weak and incompetant to rule Tamriel. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lachdonin Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 I think it was more of a 'To stop this, they'll have to give up everything' stance. Tiber Septum, for all his less than savoury characteristics, for his taste in young women, his betrayals and his general douchery... Was a smart man. And an even smarter god. He likely new how to stop the Oblivion Crisis, and what it would cost. The end of the Septim bloodline, and the Amulet which binds them to Akatosh. He allowed it to happen to break the Covenent which had dictated Tamriel's history for almost 3000 years. He didn't expect Dagon to win, because there was already a prophecy in place to stop him. All Talos had to do was help it along. It's not so much a matter of weakness, bit change. Talos, as Wulf (yes, it's from Morrowind) talks about something NEW. Neither the Ayleids, The Stormcloaks nor the Empire represent anything new. Nor do the Thalmor. But, out of the conflict of the old, maybe something new will come forward... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VolkiharFiend Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Ok so he just got bored with civilization and said "f*#@ it, lets let this Daedric Prince come and stomp on everyone so this empire i'm so done with has to sacrifice their grip on tamriel to stop it so we can have this concept of something *new* - a vague concept that I don't even know what can set a foothold in the history books."\ Yeah what a douchebag. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lachdonin Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Ok so he just got bored with civilization and said "f*** it, lets let this Daedric Prince come and stomp on everyone so this empire i'm so done with has to sacrifice their grip on tamriel to stop it so we can have this concept of something *new* - a vague concept that I don't even know what can set a foothold in the history books."\ Yeah what a douchebag.Well, this IS the guy who murdered his king, betrayed his closest ally, trapped his best friend in the Mantella with a genocidal Nord-ghost, and forced a 18 year old girl to have an abortion... Sooooo... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHildebrand Posted February 16, 2015 Author Share Posted February 16, 2015 Lol especially since the Aedra represent stasis. Though Talos isn't an Aedra.Though would you have any idea why Talos wanted the empire he founded to change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lachdonin Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 (edited) Talos is in many ways a replacement Lorkhan. Part of his fundimental nature is about change. More than that, though, we don't really know. All he really said was that we needed something NEW, and that it was going to be a rough ride getting there. The Aedra=Stasis thing is also oversimplified. Consider Trinimac, who was an Aedra, but then became Malacath, a Daedra. Or Peyrite, and Jygalag, two very order and stasis oriented Daedra. Then you have Lorkhan, who was an Aedra who was ALL about change. I think the Aedra=Stasis Daedra=Change thing is just a myth, nothing more. All that really divides the Aedra, Daedra and Magne'Ge is where they reside. Any who... Dragonborn... They are really little more than Akatosh's errand boys, empowered with the only power Akatowh has. Time. Dragons are all fragments of time, individual moments whose 'importance' dictates their power. They seek to be more important than each other, just as every moment struggles to be the most important moment in history. The Dragon Soul of the Dragonborn, however, seems to be mostly overridden by the fact that you are Mortal. There's not the same drive for importance and domination, though some Mortals, like Miraak, do give in. Generally though... The Dragonborn is to Akatosh was the Nerevarine is to Azura. A favourite go-to problem solver. Edited February 16, 2015 by Lachdonin Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrHildebrand Posted February 16, 2015 Author Share Posted February 16, 2015 Ok to get back to the original part of the topic. Riddle me this. What does it mean when some NPC's in the game refer to the dragonborn as "Doom Driven"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lachdonin Posted February 16, 2015 Share Posted February 16, 2015 Aaah, now there is a question that even I don't have an answer for. Supposition. Theory. Maybe a little nonsense... But no answer. Generally speaking, anything relating to 'doom' in a metaphysical sense refers to Lorkhan, the Doom Drum. This means that, by being Doom Driven, you are somehow related to Lorkhan. Most take this to mean that you are a Shezzarine, that ALL PCs in TES are Shezzarines. It could also refer to your course... In the final challenge, some say the defeat of Miraak is an Enatiomorphoc Event. The King kills the Rebel and cripples the Observer. The Last Dragonborn (mightiest of the Dragonborn) kills Miraak (the Dragonborn who shirked his duty to face Alduin) and stakes from Hermaeus Mora his greatest servant ('crippling' him). There is also the whole Ysmir thing, representing something of a fusion if the Arubic Twins... I'm not that clear on exactly what Hamid means really, I'll have to read more... Then some interpret it to the fact that the Last Dragonborn simply has no future. As a Hero, they will do what heroes do and vanish, leaving unanswered questions. They can't escape it, and thus are driven ever towards this 'doom'. I've also read about it being foreshadowing about something big, like the return of Lorkhan... But that's circumstantial evidence at best... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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