Eyes missing problem.

[yian]

My character is experiencing an issue that sometimes causes her eyes to disappear from her eye sockets.

 

It is difficult for me to pinpoint exactly when my eyes will go missing, because I see the back of the my character most of the time. However, I can confirm a few instances when my characters' eyes do not disappear.

 

- eyes do not disappear when swimming / being underwater.

- eyes do not disappear when using an invisibility spell or after the effects wear off.

- eyes do not disappear after taking potions.

- eyes do not disappear after casting restoration spells.

 

Originally I thought the eyes disappear after she enters combat, but sometimes I also see her eyes perfectly fine during combat (sometimes the special kill move triggers and I can see my characters' face during combat._

 

Quick save and quick load the game solves the problem immediately. However this is far from ideal because it really breaks immersion for me.

 

I have tried installing The Eyes of Beauty mod. This problem persist with or without that mod.

 

This problem occurs with or without invisibility eyes glitch fix mods.

 

I am not using a custom race. I play as a Nord.

 

I have been using Enhanced Character Edit. My character is much shorter than average, made possible by the height slider from ECE.

 

I have also tried changing the eyes mesh file in Nifskope. Changing the Skyrim Shader Type from Eye Envmap to Environment Map does not fix this issue. I didn't think it would but someone suggested it so I gave it a shot. It doesn't work.

 

I use BodyChange mod. But I had the problem way before using BodyChange so clearly BodyChange isn't doing it.

 

While going through the character gen menu (with ECE,) I do notice that the very first option of eye color slider produces the empty eye sockets effect that looks the same as the issue I experience. However, I don't know how this could be related to my problem since I choose the other eye colors that show up normally. I don't see how ECE or the game would have any reason to change my character's eye color during the game.

 

A lot of the stand alone follower mods add eyes or hairstyles that has missing textures in my preset. I have since disabled all the follower mods but I still experience the bug. The follower mods shouldn't be the culprit.

 

I am completely stumped and I desperately need all your help in resolving this issue. Thank you all in advance!

[Nozzer66]

Are you using an ENB? Have had this happen when using an ENB and installing mindflux's subsurface scattering patch fixed it.

[yian]

I have indeed an ENB running. I have heard many times that ENB could cause this, but I have some questions:

 

- If ENB is causing it, shouldn't my eyes always be missing? Like I mentioned earlier, my eyes disappear sometimes, but not always.

- If ENB is causing it, then shouldn't my eyes remain missing after I reload from a quick save?

- From what I have read in the past, the ENB patch fixes how object's shader reacts to wrong catagories in game. If that is the case, then shouldn't my character's eyes return to normal as she move to a different location? But my character's eyes remain missing even after it travels to different locations. Only save and reload remedies it.

 

I'm willing to give this a try but I'm not sure if it is caused by ENB because it doesn't seem to be the case.

 

edit: I am now trying a better facial animation mod, see if it makes any difference. I suspect that the combat expression might be the cause, though I have seen evidences pointing to the contrary. At this point I am grasping for the straws.

Edited March 6, 2015 by yian

[yian]

If anyone else has experienced this issue but have found a way to fix it please let me know what is causing it and how to fix it.

[yian]

New Facial animation mod does not solve the problem. However, I have confirmed my suspicion that the eyes are not "missing," nor is it a texture related problem.

 

The eyeballs have misaligned. But I do not know why.

 

When this problem surfaced again, I took a few screenshots and I noticed something. There are some hair on the face that appears to be the the top of the eyelashes. So I used tfc command and looked inside of my character's head.

 

And the eyeballs are there. The eye colors are correct, as well. But for some strange reason, the eyeballs have shifted their position vertically upwards.

 

Does anyone know what is causing this to happen?

Edited March 9, 2015 by yian

[yian]

Another image showing you more clearly how far the eyeballs have shifted their position.

[yian]

Here is my mods' load order.

 

 

Skyrim.esm
Update.esm
Unofficial Skyrim Patch.esp
Dawnguard.esm
Unofficial Dawnguard Patch.esp
HearthFires.esm
Unofficial Hearthfire Patch.esp
Dragonborn.esm
Unofficial Dragonborn Patch.esp
RSkyrimChildren.esm
ETaC - RESOURCES.esm
ApachiiHairFemales.esm
ApachiiHairMales.esm
mannyBlackRock.esm
ApachiiHair.esm
JaxonzDroppableStatics.esp
dD - Realistic Ragdoll Force - Realistic.esp
CrimsonTwilightArmor.esp
SameWalkRunSpeedsLite.esp
CalienteVanillaArmorTweaks.esp
No Vampire Attacks.esp
iActivate.esp
ClassicLevelUp.esp
Headtracking.esp
dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp
dD-Reduced Splatter Size.esp
Chesko_LevelUp.esp
dD-Dragonborn-Dawnguard-EBT Patch.esp
dD-Reduced Wound Size.esp
ElderOutfit.esp
Better Dynamic Snow.esp
Convenient Horses.esp
Proper Aiming.esp
CharacterMakingExtender.esp
Animations.esp
Dr_BandolierDG.esp
LadyKdCirclets.esp
EnhancedLightsandFX.esp
EnhancedWetnessandPuddles.esp
ScarletDawnArmor.esp
ETaC - Better Dynamic Snow Patch.esp
Remodeled Armor.esp
ETaC - Falkreath.esp
3DNPC.esp
Tes Arena - Skyrim Frontier Fortress.esp
Better Vampires.esp
Surilie and Argonian Wine.esp
Remodeled Armor - Dawnguard.esp
Footprints.esp
Footprints - Ash.esp
Aeri.esp
Guard Dialogue Overhaul.esp
Immersive Weapons.esp
kuerteeSimpleMultipleFollowers.esp
Brawl Bugs CE.esp
HALE_elisif.esp
HDTPhysicsWeaponSling.esp
Simple loading screen.esp
HearthFire Display Case Fix.esp
HearthFireHomesNoReset.esp
DraugrSkirts_Havok.esp
iHUD.esp
Morrowind Overhaul - Volcanic Marshes.esp
SkyFalls + SkyMills + DG + DB.esp
SkyFalls Dragonborn Small waterfalls.esp
Patch - Interesting NPCs - RS kids.esp
Daedric Dawnbreaker.esp
LadyTrousers.esp
PumpingIron.esp
Interesting NPCs Hott Vampires.esp
towConversation.esp
kuerteeSimpleMultipleFollowers MCM.esp
Dark Dungeons for ENB.esp
Smoking Torches.esp
LovelyHairstylesCE.esp
Hott Vampires.esp
BVFE_Serana.esp
No More Glowing Edges.esp
RealisticWaterTwo.esp
Book Covers Skyrim.esp
ETaC - Morthal.esp
ETaC - Winterhold.esp
ETaC - Dawnstar.esp
OCR-Fixes.esp
Patch - ETaC Morthal - RS kids.esp
Patch - ETaC Winterhold - RS kids.esp
backpackfrankdema.esp
lanterns.esp
Remodeled Armor - Dragonborn.esp
RealisticRoomRental-Basic.esp
RSChildren - Complete.esp
RSChildren_PatchUSKP.esp
dD-No Spinning Death Animation.esp
Sotteta Necromancer Outfit.esp
SkyrimSpeeds.esp
SkyrimToyStory.esp
SkyUI.esp
LessIntrusiveHUD.esp
BodyChange.esp
Customizable Camera.esp
Dual Sheath Redux.esp
DVA - Dynamic Vampire Appearance.esp
Smoking Candles.esp
EnhancedCharacterEdit.esp
ETaC - Rorikstead.esp
ETaC - Riverwood.esp
TrissArmorRetextured.esp
Patch - ETaC Riverwood - RS kids.esp
Patch - ETaC Rorik - RS kids.esp
Helgen Reborn.esp
ETaC - Dragon Bridge.esp
ETaC - Dragon Bridge South.esp
ScottishBanneredMare.esp
ETaC - Kynesgrove.esp
book_seller.esp
Patch - ETaC Dragon Bridge - RS kids.esp
Immersive Whiterun.esp
Immersive Solstheim.esp
ElvenRetreat.esp
ETaC - Karthwasten.esp
Patch - ETaC Karth - RS kids.esp
ETaC - Darkwater Crossing.esp
ETaC - Ivarstead.esp
Bijin Wives.esp
Patch - ETaC Ivarstead - RS kids.esp
JKs Windhelm.esp
Complete Solitude.esp
JKs Solitude.esp
Immersive Stonehills.esp
AuroraVillage.esp
Inconsequential NPCs.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Legendary.esp
lpbards.esp
iWil_BelethorsGoodStore.esp
JKs Whiterun.esp
BosmericDrunkenHuntsmanReborn.esp
Amame_follower.esp
Sotteta Huntress Armor.esp
JKs Riften.esp
Patch - Inconsequential NPCs - RS kids.esp
Run For Your Lives.esp
Toccata.esp
Understone Keep Repair.esp
Immersive Shors Stone.esp
Immersive Orc Strongholds.esp
Sepredia.esp
Seashells.esp
JKs Markarth.esp
MilkHearthfire.esp
Faction Crossbows.esp
Dr_Bandolier.esp
Merta Assassin Armor.esp
Tembtra Thief Armor.esp
JessicaAlbaDemonHunter.esp
Ingrid Follower.esp
TK_Clutter_Plants.esp
SMIM-Merged-All.esp
RealWarMaiden.esp
Fyre Brimstone.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Waves.esp
HothFollower.esp
Bijin Warmaidens.esp
tos_oakwood_hf.esp
BearsLodge.esp
Angi's Camp.esp
CompanionValfar.esp
ElisShackPro.esp
bettermarkarthexterieur.esp
Ayfertehuis.esp
JKs Whiterun exterior.esp
TheLoftyLoft.esp
LilChapel_Jokerine.esp
RayeksEnd.esp
Provincial Courier Service.esp
ElisShack+PCS patch.esp
SofiaFollower.esp
EliRedguardHouse.esp
HolmwoodNahkin.esp
EW_GQ_Dunmerification.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Dragonborn.esp
Snowbound Acres.esp
Honningbrew Village.esp
cabin on the river.esp
Bastards.esp
RiverwoodHuntingCabin.esp
Secluded Cottage.esp
HalloweenShop.esp
cabin patch.esp
HFMerchant.esp
BooksOfSkyrim.esp
huskyfollower.esp
MeekoVigilanceAreHuskies.esp
HothFollower UFO Patch.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Waves - Dawnguard.esp
Lillehus.esp
SolitudeBoozeMerchant.esp
RealisticWaterTwo - Dawnguard.esp
Vampire Skin Color Fix.esp
iNeed.esp
iNeed-SurilieWine.esp
Equipping Overhaul.esp

DemonSword.esp
NormalVampireFaces.esp
RosaFollower.esp
CampingKitNorthernRanger.esp
My Home Is Your Home.esp
JaxonzEnhGrab.esp
Chesko_Step418.esp
ukc02.esp
Louise.esp
Proserpine_companion.esp
Unique BOOZE Bottles.esp
VTF-Dawnguard.esp
Alternate Start - Live Another Life.esp
Dual Sheath Redux Patch.esp

 

 

 

It seems to occur at random. This time it happened right after I loaded a save. I cannot think of anything that could have triggered this.

Edited March 9, 2015 by yian

[yian]

Due to my lack of knowledge on scripting or anything too complicated, and since there is nothing on the web that has anything even remotely close to this, I am hitting a brick wall and running around in the dark. So I am going to do everything I can in my desperate attempt to fix this issue.

 

Assuming this issue isn't in the vanilla version of the game, then it has to be caused by a mod. It could be a mod's problem, it could be a mod conflict, or whatever.

 

This is what I am going to do next. So far, I have started new games many times, but I have always used the same look for my character. I always load one of the presets saved within Enhanced Character Menu. If for some reason it is screwing up on the eye, then maybe it is somehow reading the face data from a file that has the same setting. Once again, this could be completely wrong, but I'm out of options. So, I have called up the showracemenu and changed the eye's slider setting slightly, and save it as a new preset slot. Now I will wait and see if the eyes problem come back.

[yian]

/While I test my character, can some one please take a look at my load order and at least see what mods might be having conflicts? Thank you guys!

[yian]

Alright, no use, the problem returns. Oh god this is so frustrating.