Kestrellius Posted March 29, 2015 Author Share Posted March 29, 2015 Alright, I concede the point, then. How do you suggest I handle this, though, in that case? I did want to involve Aetherium somehow, just to incorporate the whole Aetherium Forge arc that didn't actually wind up going anywhere in vanilla. And if Aetherium won't work, then how do we smush dragon souls into armor? Concerning dragons being Aedra, I'd been operating under the assumption that they're fragments of Akatosh, and would thus all be Aedric in nature, with Alduin being basically the biggest fragment. (Or fragments of the Aka-tusk, which is a really stupid name for a deity, but I digress.) I'd read that they were all from the same thing, hence all the parent/child nonsense that Paarthy and Alduin are always going on about. Granted, everything in TES is ultimately from the same thing, but I'm being a bit more specific here. Also, I really need to work on getting the first four games so that my knowledge doesn't come entirely from Skyrim and the Internet. Oh, and, with this thread getting so focused on the soul gem thing, I did want to get people's thoughts on the rest of it. Particularly whether leftover daedra from the OC is plausible, but also just everything in general. Would it be a fun quest? Etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
117649AR Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 I'd imagine the same way you would with the essences of Daedra: Ebony. It is, after all, the blood of Lorkhan, and the strongest "naturally occurring" material known. Akatosh is the Imperial Aspect of Aka, created by the Marukhati Selectives by altering the Aldmeri Aspect Auri-El, while it's implied that Alduin was shed from the Aka-Tusk, the oldest Aspect of Aka. Every culture's beliefs regarding Aka shed new Aspect-Gods from his corpse, and thus there is an entire pantheon of Time Dragons independent of one another. Regarding Dragons, it's not known exactly where they came from. It's assumed that Dragons are smaller fragments of Aka, the Aka-Tusk, and/or other Aspect-Gods, but their origins have not been revealed. As for why all Dragons refer to Akatosh as Bormahu, it's speculated that Akatosh retroactively altered the timeline in the moment of his birth such that he both always existed, and was Chief Aspect. Alduin predates Akatosh by a considerable amount of time, and yet still refers to himself as Firstborn of Akatosh, although it could simply be that he is putting it into terms that the Last Dragonborn could understand. Regarding the Oblivion Crisis, keep in mind that the only reason Daedra were able to pour into Tamriel in such large numbers and without mortal conjurers was due to the breaking of the Covenant. Martin's death restored the barrier between Mundus and Oblivion, and thus all Daedra that had come through the Gates were banished back to the Deadlands. Post-Crisis, only summoned Daedra may walk Nirn for however limited the time of their conjuring is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kestrellius Posted March 30, 2015 Author Share Posted March 30, 2015 Hm. Well, I suppose that makes a degree of sense. However, Daedric is made by throwing a daedra heart into the forge, and you can't really do that with a dragon soul. I mean, it's a soul, hence why I was thinking soul gems. I was also hoping to distinguish it from Daedric somewhat, having it be made of malachite and quicksilver with ebony backing... Speaking of which, do we know anything about quicksilver? I mean, how does it work exactly? I seem to recall that it's the same substance that was called mithril in Cyrodiil, but that doesn't really tell me much... Oh, and is there any particular group of people in Tamriel especially skilled at soul-trapping? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
117649AR Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Well, mind that the process of Daedric equipment forging isn't quite so simple as just throwing a Daedroth's Heart into the flames: that's simply a gameplay concession. That's neither here nor there, though. It escaped me earlier, but I suppose you could also simply make the material in question Dragonbone. Dragons who are not killed by their own kind have their Souls trapped within their bones, so it's already demonstrated that the material is capable of holding their essence. Given that the Last Dragonborn is free to do as he pleases with the Souls of Dragons he has defeated, at least lorewise, I imagine it's perfectly reasonable. As for quicksilver, it seems to be another greater metal: I don't believe it has any particularly noteworthy properties. Necromancers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kestrellius Posted March 30, 2015 Author Share Posted March 30, 2015 I'm just going from "Heavy Armor Forging". According to that, it's just like forging ebony but you use a daedra heart. And you have to do it at night under certain moon conditions. Of course, it was presumably written by a Nord, so. (hehe) My theory on why it's suddenly so easy to make is that it was so rare in Morrowind due to there having been little contact with the daedra. Then in Oblivion, there are dremora everywhere, so everybody and their mother has a set. In Skyrim, it's no longer common because all the leftover suits have been destroyed or whatever, but blacksmiths were able to figure out how to forge it during the Crisis. Of course that hinges on at least some dremora armor being actually Daedric rather than a facsimile, but I suppose you could just say that the method was discovered due to the plentiful daedra hearts. Again, though, that's neither here nor there. I dunno; it feels like having dragon bones involved would be...redundant. Of course, I could just cop out and say that the DB could put the soul in anything, but he's going to use Aetherium because Aetherium is already stupidly OP, and supercharging it with timey-wimey soul would make it super ultra mega OP. Of course that brings me to another issue -- how, in gameplay terms, would one convey that this armor is made of timestuff? I mean, you can have slow-time effects, but other than that I can't think of much unless it were to incorporate some sort of quicksave feature -- you mark a point in time, and then return to it later, bringing certain elements of the present back with you? Maybe? I don't know. I was mostly thinking about this in the context of having some sort of quest where you'd travel to the battle mentioned in KINMUNE, or one like it, and be able to obtain a handheld Argonian (or Hist?) impossipoint weapon. Mostly because I really want to see a space battle between treeships and time dragons with math guns. Right, necromancers. I was so focused on figuring out which race or province was good at it that I completely forgot about them. So then the third quest could be about finding an ancient lich or something and talking to them. Mannicarmo, maybe? Except I don't actually know anything about Mannicarmo except that he did something in Daggerfall maybe and was the villain of the Oblivion Mages' Guild or something. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MidbossVyers Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Mannimarco. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kestrellius Posted March 30, 2015 Author Share Posted March 30, 2015 See? Told you I don't know anything about him. Of course, TES doesn't really have the best track record with words being easy to dyslexic up. Neveravine, I'm looking at you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheVampireDante Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 That one's "Nerevarine". So named due to being the reincarnation of Lord Indoril Nerevar. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kestrellius Posted March 30, 2015 Author Share Posted March 30, 2015 Yeah. That's the joke. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
avallanche Posted April 1, 2015 Share Posted April 1, 2015 (edited) My 2 cents, hope you dont mind...The dragonborn can capture dragon souls already, so wouldnt be easier and more plausible to instead of capture the dragon souls into a soul gem, aetherium or not, use it as it is already? I mean, the whole point here is to recieve some kind of blessing from the Aedras... there are temples for all of them in Skyrim, or at least some kind of shrine. Wouldnt keep it more lore friendly if you somehow interact directly with them, some kind of manifestation, complete some specific tasks to maybe recover some crude artifact and then, using the dragon soul as a conduit, imbue their blessing into the item? Edited April 1, 2015 by avallanche Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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