Issues with race menu and face exchange

[angel3181]

Hello! So in the past few days, I have downloaded several race mods. Some, I have uninstalled after seeing that I didn't care for them. I currently have Xenius's Race Compilation, Chocolate Elves, Cute Elves, Moonshadow Elves (script version), Tabaxi, Viera, 'n Dywyl, and Aos Si. I was looking at Saved Files to use Face Exchanger with because I suck at making attractive faces in the race menu.

 

I have 2 issues: One is with face exchange and one is with the race menu.

 

One I found was a Cute Elf save game that had a face I liked so I was going to change my race to Cute Elf and use Face Exchanger to change to that face. I logged in, changed my race, saved, exited and did the face exchange. (I've done face exchanges before with no problem.) When I logged into the new save with the new face, about 30 seconds after the game loads, Oblivion freezes. I tried another race and another face exchange and that did the same thing. I have no idea why

 

Now, I also can't do customizing to faces in the race menu. My race before I changed was Moonshadow Elf. In my last save as that, if I open the race menu through the console, every race is smiling (including vanilla), some rather scarily with teeth showing. In my save a few minutes later as a cute elf, before I did the cute elf face exchange, in the race menu, the races are not smiling, which I find strange since they are in a save just a few minutes before. In either case, if I go to any race (vanilla included) and try to adjust any sliders for the face, the head either disappears or it looks like it exploded and I can't get it back without clicking reset or just loading my save again.

 

Below are my mods. I use Boss to check my load order.

 

Oblivion.esm

DIM Elves Of Lineage II Retex.esm - this one is not checkmarked.

DLCShiveringIsles.esp

Advanced_Water_Modification-2734.esp

Reznod_Mannequin.esp

BlackLuster.esp

DHuntress.esp

Hentai Compilation.esp

Hentai_Compilation.esp

Silverlight Armor by Jojjo.esp

ArynnsDrowQueen2.0.esp

JB Catsuit Variants.esp

Better Rosethorn Hall.esp

BravilSeaDomesExpanded.esp

Del_New_Sheoth_Homes.esp

Priests of Akatosh -Ver 1.3-.esp

Ushnars Skinned Hound.esp

Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp

Knights.esp

Friendly Hits up 20 points.esp

Oblivifall - Closing Time.esp

P1DkeyChain.esp

Ring of console.esp

Scorn's Vampirism 2.esp

EnchantmentMastery.esp

Advanced Magecraft.esp

SupremeMagicka.esp

SM_ShiveringIsles.esp

SM_UnlockSpells.esp

Advanced Magecraft.esp

RenGuardOverhaul.esp

FameAndInfamyAnnouncer.esp

Idle Pose Replacer.esp

Nec-Character_Sonnet_Mature.esp - this one is not checkmarked

CuteElf11.esp

Tabaxi Race 2.0.esp

Elves Of Lineage II.esp

Beautiful People.esp

Chocolate Elves.esp

X.Races.Comp.esp

1em_Vilja.esp

KT_CustomRaceFix.esp

Streamline 2.1.esp

Moonshadow Elves - Sc.esp

HVH_LifeDetect.esp

Oblivion Gate Closer Spell.esp

CrystalCalendarAlternateEdition.esp

R18PN - Leere Armor.esp

1em_Vilja_as_Moonshadow_Elf_Stranger.esp

1SB_RavenousEleganceOutfit.esp

IvyArmor_Slim.esp

Aos Si.esp

n_Dywyll_Elves.esp

Viera Race.esp

[nisen]

Now, I also can't do customizing to faces in the race menu. My race before I changed was Moonshadow Elf. In my last save as that, if I open the race menu through the console, every race is smiling (including vanilla), some rather scarily with teeth showing. In my save a few minutes later as a cute elf, before I did the cute elf face exchange, in the race menu, the races are not smiling, which I find strange since they are in a save just a few minutes before.

the scary/ugly smile sounds like your characters angry face which can stay on while after any actual danger from what ive seen in the journal screen, so it could be the same mechanic happening in the race menu. With the save game just made, would that mean Oblivion resets the mood profile, or your cute elf just wasnt angry at the time? Try saving the game when you notice it again & load it straight away to see if still there, and if that happens try after starting the game again.

 

 

In either case, if I go to any race (vanilla included) and try to adjust any sliders for the face, the head either disappears or it looks like it exploded and I can't get it back without clicking reset or just loading my save again.

do you mean the camera views too close, or are there textures/meshes missing or distorted?

Edited December 10, 2010 by nisen

[Hickory]

First of all, your BOSS list looks all wrong. You should update to the latest version of BOSS and update the masterlist. Secondly, Beautiful People does not play well with other race mods. Third, why do you have two versions of Hentai Compilation? Lastly, do you use a Bashed Patch?

[angel3181]

Nisen, I will upload some pics and show you what I mean,

 

First of all, your BOSS list looks all wrong. You should update to the latest version of BOSS and update the masterlist. Secondly, Beautiful People does not play well with other race mods. Third, why do you have two versions of Hentai Compilation? Lastly, do you use a Bashed Patch?

 

I updated BOSS. I actually tried deactivating Beautiful People in OBMM and it still does it. There are 2 versions of Hentai compilation out there - Hentai Mods Compilation Pack uploaded by Kikaimegami which puts a chest in front of Anvil Castle and New Hentai Compilation uploaded by geechan which puts a Chest in the Imperial City Market District. I had downloaded the first one and a few days later found the second one, which says it is more updated than the first. After updating BOSS, I still get the problem. Images below mod list.

 

My new mod list:

 

Special Mod Detection

 

FCOM not detected.

OOO not detected.

Better Cities not detected.

 

 

Recognised And Re-ordered Mod Files

 

Oblivion.esm

DIM Elves Of Lineage II Retex.esm

DLCShiveringIsles.esp

Advanced_Water_Modification-2734.esp

Reznod_Mannequin.esp

Streamline 2.1.esp

1SB_RavenousEleganceOutfit.esp

ArynnsDrowQueen2.0.esp

BlackLuster.esp [Version 2.4.0]

DHuntress.esp

Hentai Compilation.esp

Hentai_Compilation.esp [Version 1.6]

Silverlight Armor by Jojjo.esp

JB Catsuit Variants.esp [Version 1.5.]

R18PN - Leere Armor.esp

CrystalCalendarAlternateEdition.esp

Better Rosethorn Hall.esp

Del_New_Sheoth_Homes.esp

Priests of Akatosh -Ver 1.3-.esp

Ushnars Skinned Hound.esp

Apachii_Goddess_Store.esp [Version 1.5.]

Knights.esp

BravilSeaDomesExpanded.esp

Friendly Hits up 20 points.esp

Oblivifall - Closing Time.esp [Version 1.0 BETA]

P1DkeyChain.esp [Version 5.00]

Ring of console.esp

defaultstand.esp

Scorn's Vampirism 2.esp [Version 2]

EnchantmentMastery.esp

Advanced Magecraft.esp

SupremeMagicka.esp [Version 0.89]

SM_ShiveringIsles.esp [Version 0.86]

SM_UnlockSpells.esp [Version 0.70]

RenGuardOverhaul.esp

FameAndInfamyAnnouncer.esp

Idle Pose Replacer.esp

Aos Si.esp

n_Dywyll_Elves.esp

Nec-Character_Sonnet_Mature.esp [Version 1.0]

Moonshadow Elves - Sc.esp

CuteElf11.esp [Version 1.3.5]

Tabaxi Race 2.0.esp [Version 2.0]

Elves Of Lineage II.esp

Beautiful People.esp

Chocolate Elves.esp [Version 1.8]

X.Races.Comp.esp

1em_Vilja.esp [Version 2.3.2]

1em_Vilja_as_Moonshadow_Elf_Stranger.esp [Version 2.3.]

KT_CustomRaceFix.esp

 

Unrecogised Mod Files

Reorder these by hand using your favourite mod ordering utility.

 

Unknown mod file: HVH_LifeDetect.esp

Unknown mod file: Oblivion Gate Closer Spell.esp

Unknown mod file: IvyArmor_Slim.esp

Unknown mod file: Viera Race.esp

Unknown mod file: EC's Auto-Standing Idle.esp

 

Done.

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On my Moonshadow Elf, here is what the smiling races look like:

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb191/angelwings0731/moonsmilingne.jpg

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb191/angelwings0731/moonsmilenord.jpg

 

 

And here is what happens when I adjust a slider:

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb191/angelwings0731/moonedit.jpg

 

 

 

On my cute elf save a few minutes later, here is a non-smiling race:

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb191/angelwings0731/cuteelfnosmile.jpg

 

 

And here is what happens when I move a slider:

http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb191/angelwings0731/cuteelfedit.jpg

[nisen]

wow theyre really smiling, and scary. You might try the console command temo (ToggleEmotions) says it turns off character facial expressions, but I cant tell much difference looking at mine atm (was trying for this elven doll and got the mouth right so no smiling or snarly)

 

and like Hickory suggests a bashed patch might sort it out but im only starting to work how to use it, so still plenty of glitches with mine and cant offer advice

[angel3181]

wow theyre really smiling, and scary. You might try the console command temo (ToggleEmotions) says it turns off character facial expressions, but I cant tell much difference looking at mine atm (was trying for this elven doll and got the mouth right so no smiling or snarly)

 

and like Hickory suggests a bashed patch might sort it out but im only starting to work how to use it, so still plenty of glitches with mine and cant offer advice

 

I know, right! SCARY!

 

Thanks Nisen and that reminds me, I didn't address Hickory asking about the bashed patch. No, I don't use one. I'm not really familiar with it so if either one of you can give me more info. I will check it out.

 

Thank you very much to both of you for trying to help me sort this out. I do really appreciate it.

[Hickory]

I didn't address Hickory asking about the bashed patch. No, I don't use one. I'm not really familiar with it so if either one of you can give me more info. I will check it out.

 

Thank you very much to both of you for trying to help me sort this out. I do really appreciate it.

 

Those pictures look like you have conflicting head meshes for various races.

 

Regarding the Bashed Patch, you need to install Wrye Bash. You will need to first install Wrye Python from that page, then install v275 self installer, and lastly update to version 2.90. Once you have Wrye Bash installed it will place a 'Wrye Bash.html' help file in your game directory. You really need to read it thoroughly. It can be a bit daunting for newcomers, but don't be put off -- Wrye Bash is THE single most useful tool for anybody with a modded Oblivion. It has so many features other than the Bashed Patch. Please do read the help file, but don't hesitate to ask for help if you get stuck.

 

Also, regarding your BOSS load order, you can place your unknown mod files in your userlist.txt file so that they will get sorted too. I suggest the following for your unkown mods in userlist.txt (copy/paste as shown, save and re-run BOSS):

 

 

 

ADD: Oblivion Gate Closer Spell.esp

TOP: General Spells

 

ADD: IvyArmor_Slim.esp

AFTER: IvyArmor_Purple.esp

 

ADD: Viera Race.esp

BEFORE: WieraRace_EV.esp

% {{BASH:NpcFaces,Hair,Eyes,Graphics}}

 

ADD: EC's Auto-Standing Idle.esp

AFTER: EasySpellRemovalv1.esp

 

ADD: HVH_LifeDetect.esp

BEFORE: GW71_Life_Detect.esp

 

 

[nisen]

sure, so Wyre Bash puts a bashed patch esp into the mod list near the bottom, and whatever cant be included in the patch, for whatever reason, you need to move below that esp (ive only had one) but BOSS also puts any mods it doesnt know below the bashed patch esp which probably could be included. Im really hazy on what the patch does other than merging parts of different mods with the same files, so they can access shared files from a master file or something. Theres a pdf guide on the Wyre Bash download page on tesnexus, but for everything technical, its at Wyre Musings

 

hey thanks Hickory, didnt know about the userlist text file for the unknown mods.

Edited December 10, 2010 by nisen

[Hickory]

Wyre Bash puts a bashed patch esp into the mod list near the bottom, and whatever cant be included in the patch, for whatever reason, you need to move below that esp

 

Um, no, that's not right. I understand that you're "hazy", but the patch is there to bring together mods that can be merged in one way or another. The load order should be as BOSS suggests, and the Bashed Patch is always near the bottom -- there are relatively few mods that should come after the patch.

[angel3181]

Ok, thanks again for helping me!

 

What can I do about the conflicting head meshes?

 

I looked in my Oblivion/Data folder and my Oblivion/Data/Boss folder and did not see a userlist.txt. Where can I find that?

 

Going to install Wrye Bash and Python now.