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[Blademaster1215]

In response to post #24601529. #24601674, #24601979, #24602179, #24602339, #24602474 are all replies on the same post.

FillipeMattos wrote:

visorak wrote: Valve/bethesda's option is making Nintendo's look like a way better deal (still isn't).

Blademaster1215 wrote: Posting a review is not the gaming companies content, it is critique of their content and protected under Fair Use laws, commentated gameplay walkthroughs are under the same protection. Don't eat what certain companies try to feed you.

FillipeMattos wrote: The problem is that youtuber gamer reveal too spoiler.

You are able to watch an entire game on youtube watching all possible spoilers.

Games that look like interactive movies, example, Life is Strange, Beyond: Two Souls (and others) fail to sell because people have seen the whole game in the videos.

Blademaster1215 wrote: Beyond Two Souls didn't sell because it was a bad game.

Life Is Strange didn't sell because it looked boring to most browsers.

FillipeMattos wrote: Wrong, these were not the only cases many good games (focused on stories) fail to sell because the youtubers have explored everything. So there is not more grace in buying the game.

Why didn't GTAV underperform then? RadBrad did pretty much everything in that game along with a hundred other walkthrough youtubers.

Good games with competent marketing sell well.

[Zitherax]

Mods keep games alive for a very long time. If Bethesda and Valve really cared about the hard work modders put into mods and the community at large, they would do something like youtube. It would work like auto play a 30 second ad at the top of the page where the mod videos/pictures are located. Partner the modders with the most subscribers/downloads to pay content creators a percentage of ad revenue. Win win for all parties.

[CiderMuffin]

In response to post #24601099. #24601154, #24601174, #24601284, #24601304, #24601504, #24601634, #24601689, #24601769, #24602259, #24602519, #24602639 are all replies on the same post.

CiderMuffin wrote:

merrydownjade wrote: I'm getting this too.
http://i.imgur.com/hIczjJj.png

MrTrigun wrote: Yeah..same here. Only the big bundle seems to be up.

Blademaster1215 wrote: I did say it a few minutes ago, but it got buried.

AlexandruRadu wrote: Same here guys I guess we won after all

Blademaster1215 wrote: Doubtful, could be a DDoS attack though?

TheEyelessWanderer wrote: I hope we won.

merrydownjade wrote: I wouldn't call this a victory yet.

TheEyelessWanderer wrote: Yeah...

*grasps my Amulet of Talos tightly*

appelpiman wrote: Yep Just checked only the big bundle is up.

Blademaster1215 wrote: The mods are back up, Chesko's is completely gone though afaik. Haven't won yet. Fight the power.

FillipeMattos wrote: Chesko acted in bad faith, he tried to make money using a mod that had third party content. Does the community supports that kind of attitude or he will be punished for it?

People already have a bad view of Chesko after this and their attempt at attacking the Nexus to get the hate off their tail. Edited April 24, 2015 by CiderMuffin

[Blademaster1215]

In response to post #24602664.

Zitherax wrote:

I don't think Valve wants ads on steam, though it would work great if they had the game companies make ads for their games for said uses. Edited April 24, 2015 by Blademaster1215

[Milleuros]

In response to post #24602664. #24602764 is also a reply to the same post.

Zitherax wrote:

Blademaster1215 wrote: I don't think Valve wants ads on steam, though it would work great if they had the game companies make ads for their games for said uses.

"Mods keep games alive for a very long time."

That's why mods have to die. That way it reduces the lifetime of a game such that you will buy the new one instead of staying in the old one.

[WightMage]

In response to post #24599664. #24599799, #24599829, #24599839, #24599979, #24600139, #24600194, #24600244, #24600359, #24600494, #24600539, #24600884, #24600989, #24601494, #24602579 are all replies on the same post.

G18AkimboNoob wrote:

Eiries wrote:

However, The Nexus is a listed Service Provider on the curated Workshop, and they are profiting from Workshop sales. They are saying one thing, while simultaneously taking their cut.

I don't see how mentioning "these guys have mods too" constitutes Nexusmods making money off of this (except through traffic which he has no control over.)

Citation from bossman requested.

LtRhapthorne wrote: So Dark0ne is being as greedy as Valve

Unless he personally responds to these accusations, I'm going to ask for my account to be banned. I don't have local copies of my mods. They'll be dead forever.

PickleJar wrote: Yeah, Dark0ne needs to post about this.

LoneHP wrote:

Citation from bossman requested.

No bleeding joke on that. A statement regarding what Chesko revealed is required to begin with, because actual money has likely flowed here over Chesko's (and Fores' ) work with no indication of such.

CiderMuffin wrote: If it's from ad revenue that's an unfair statement for Chesko to make, numerous sites do ad revenue in order to make ends meet. As far as I see it I don't get how the Nexus could make money off of this as they have no part in the transactions. I think this is just Chesko using the negative PR they're getting to hurt someone else out of spite.

Eiries wrote: Chesko's been colossally wrong about a lot of stuff over the past 24 hours so I can't help but feel he's just trying to take the heat off himself and place it on Robin. We'll see, I'm sure he'll say something.

The 3rd Type wrote: http://puu.sh/hpnwE/1fa0ce9998.png

Eiries wrote:

http://puu.sh/hpnwE/1fa0ce9998.png

Totally making bank on this scandal. Totally. Hey dude.

The 3rd Type wrote: Hey Eiries. You ever get around to those Flamer Textures :^)

StaciKrash wrote: Arthmoor is also saying the same about robin

shinkicker404 wrote: link

He did reply to Chesko in Reddit.

teppic1 wrote: " Was this a risky, perhaps bold, thing to go ahead with? Yes. Was it a bit crappy of me? Also yes. But it was a risk I took, and the outcome was largely dependent on the FNIS author's reaction to the situation. He was not happy, so I took steps to resolve it. I did not "steal animations" or "steal content""

I don't agree with this at all. You cannot knowingly use someone else's work without permission for monetary profit and then call it a risk as to whether they would be happy with that or not. It's not his place to do that.

TheSabi wrote: hmm this is AFTER he used someone else assests in a mod and got caught. He's not new to modding, he knws better. This comes off more as make everyone else look like the bad guy whao is me redirecting.

He is quoted in those articles and in his letter he knew FULL WELL he shouldn't be using them and using the scapegoat of valve saying "if the download was separate and free, it was fair game." He admits FNIS isn't needed so he could have waited or just not include them like with Arissa 2.0.

Sorry if I'm not buying "nexus is evil too" after that.

Thaiauxn wrote: All of this insane traffic is going to cost the Nexus thousands of dollars per day, and we're not recouping that cost.

The only way for Nexus to try and get that back is if Valve extended an olive branch with a service provider option. That sounds like a reasonable attempt at removing the strain they've created on the site.

Dark0ne DID respond a little bit regarding the supposed 1-5 percent cut Nexus might get- It's entirely at the nodder's discretion to choose a site or two that they can give 1-5 percent of their profit to. In other words, a donation.

Chesko, unfortunately, did not choose to give the Nexus anything.

So as far as I'm concerned, this hardly the Nexus being hypocritical, since in theory it is entirely up to the modders to decide if and when they get anything.

[Thunde]

In response to post #24600654. #24600674, #24600714, #24600744, #24600914, #24601069, #24601314, #24601679, #24601744, #24601759, #24602074, #24602134, #24602279, #24602334, #24602349 are all replies on the same post.

StaciKrash wrote:

Dark0ne wrote: This one?

It's not hidden, it's on their service provider listing at the bottom of this page, which explains how it works. Mod authors select service providers who they think helped them in their modding, and in turn, the service provider gets between 1%-5% of Valve's cut of their profits, depending on how many service providers were picked by the mod author.

So the mod author opts in to it themselves, and the money comes from Valve's cut.

LtRhapthorne wrote: He either needs to make the Nexus paid for (killing it) or remove the Nexus as an option for service provider. Otherwise, he's double dipping.

LtRhapthorne wrote: So you're double dipping?

Why should I believe anything you say?

PickleJar wrote: Why not tell us you're taking a cut right from the get-go?

Shouldn't you have all your cards on the table (and on the table here, on your site, not buried in Valve's legal writings) if you really want to help everyone get through this to a peaceful conclusion?

Blademaster1215 wrote: The Nexus doesn't take a cut from every paid mod. From the way it's worded, Service Providers can be given donations by the modders, but its the modder's choice to give said cut to whichever providers. Unless I'm reading this wrong?

StaciKrash wrote: Thanks a lot for replying, I'm not sure how to react to this tho

EDIT: thinking about I guess it's like the modders are donating instead of paying you, still I'm sure not everyone will see it that way

Eiries wrote: Hm. I guess its not a huge deal on the surface (modders opt in), but I feel any money generated from this scandal is dirty money, and playing any part of it at all is kind of questionable.

Then again it's coming out of Valve's pocket as a community-based "thanks for existing..." I dunno. I'll trust your judgement I suppose.

mznXII wrote: soo...
if modder felt obligated to nexus then
the modder could make steam/valve give nexus 1-5% of their 75%, but
its up to the modder to gave it or not

at least that's what i catch from Dark0ne's post

i hope i interpret it right

and LtRhapthorne, if you could say "Why should I believe anything you(Dark0ne) say?" you shouldn't easily believe what modder from steam/valve have to say too, to be fair

and i'm not intend to start an argument

SolidusEkans wrote: Did the Nexus know this? Were the Nexus also under NDA about this? Have the Nexus made any money out of this yet?
You should make things clear Dark0ne, or people will start to think you're a two faced liar. (I don't, just to be clear)

jediakyrol wrote: nope, that is exactly how it is...Nexus would have gotten a 1~5% cut if Chesko had checked them on his mod... ... ...... ... ...which he apparently didn't...or else it would have said on his mod "Service Providers: NexusMods"

paragonskeep wrote: How would Nexus be "double dipping"?
It is up to the mod author not the Nexus to list the service provider.

WightMage wrote: I too would like a clarification, please.

TheEyelessWanderer wrote: Give the man (Dark0ne) some time to formulate an official statement on the matter. I'm sure he has a lot of stuff to deal with right now. And don't be so hasty to cast judgement and resentment over a situation that literally NONE of us have the clarity of.

This site has stood as a sentinel for modding for many years, and I highly doubt that he's throwing it down the drain with any of this. While we are all part of this wonderful community, Dark0ne is the leader. So give the man a chance, and stop backing him into a fox hole.

WightMage wrote: ... bad move on Chesko's part.

Its good that you get some money back from steam. Nexus is a great site for modds.

[FillipeMattos]

Chesko will be punished? Edited April 24, 2015 by FillipeMattos

[hector530]

In response to post #24596664. #24601034, #24601499, #24601684, #24602554 are all replies on the same post.

JCDNWarrior wrote:

TheEyelessWanderer wrote: And I'm %100 in agreeance.
This is something far outside the realm of digital tyranny. It speaks a greater story.

(What would the Stormcloaks do?)

Milleuros wrote: Of course. A few days before, I'd be saying that Valve was the only editor who had not made anything against mods. Now the truth is : all video games editors are fighting modding.


Modding is dead.

TheEyelessWanderer wrote: Modding is not dead.

WE hold the wallets. Do not falter, when it is YOU who holds the weapon.

WightMage wrote: Fight the System!

ahhhh there's nothing like people who just joined nexus this year claiming modding is dead

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

i'll see you all back at nexus for fallout 4

[PotatoHunter]

In response to post #24601489. #24601644, #24601719, #24601884, #24601969, #24602009, #24602079, #24602239, #24602539, #24603004 are all replies on the same post.

PotatoHunter wrote:

homeiswonderland wrote: "We?" Please, speak for yourself...

PotatoHunter wrote: I've been going site to site, spreading the petition, fighting the good fight, and now I'm starting to feel betrayed and angry because I just found out about this. U'd feel the same too.

flamenx01 wrote: It's an opt-in (as in it's up to the modder) 1%-5% (of valves cut) donation to the nexus.

jl144740 wrote: Calm down they understand us, unlike Valve. Did Nexus tell you that there mods cost money(?) No so calm down

PotatoHunter wrote: Yeah I understand this, but they are the leaders of this community and they are speaking out against it. You can't speak out against something while having money trickle in your back pocket simultaneously, even if your upfront about it. Your on one side or another.

homeiswonderland wrote: What's going on sucks. You're saying you just found out about the service providers thing? Let's take a step back, do a little more research, and let hurt feelings subside. Even if nexus is being a bit hypocritical (and I'm not saying they are), attacking them is not the thing to do right now. Let's just focus on mods not getting stolen and supporting those anxious modders who are hiding their mods out of fear.

Finnien wrote: Do you have any idea how much a site like this costs to run? If Valve wants to pay a VERY small portion of its portion to Nexus, all it does is help keep free modding afloat. It's VERY clear that Nexus has every intention of not only keeping mods free, but of allowing modders here to actively work together against their mods being used in paid content.

Stow the righteous and misplaced anger, and actually read all the news posts. What you're proposing isn't just cutting off the nose to spite the face, it's cutting off your right leg to spite a toe on your left foot.

homeiswonderland wrote:

Dark0ne's explaining it/defending his stance here.

sesom wrote: Nexus is no leader. I don't have one.

Look, okay maybe I got overzealous in my original post. I'll openly admit it, I was wrong, but I also read all the news posts completely.

So taking a cut of paid mods to support free mods is a good idea? I dont think so. You can't have the best of both worlds. Corporate greed will win if theres not 100% opposition to this. I'm not saying that Nexus doesnt deserve money, they definently do for everything they've done. Modders also deserve money for their mods. But its money from a program hellbent on destroying the free modding community. And the almighty Valve gets 75 percent.

But this program is evil. There will not be a co-existance of paid content and free content. To think that is naive. There are rumours out there that the paid content is already being taken down. I hope thats true. I just feel that even accepting a small cut of the money is a little bit hypocritical in my eyes.

And look, I'm not a premium member. I've used Nexus since Oblivion, and I never donated either. Maybe in the long run, this'll be a good thing. Maybe I should join premium and give a mod author a couple bucks here or there once a while. But I stand by my original point. Accepting money from this service is like Ulfric Stormcloak getting a cut of Thalmor money for fighting the Empire for them (who even knows, maybe he was). Even if the money amounts to an iron dagger. Its the principle. Edited April 24, 2015 by PotatoHunter