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@Psijonia, You keep playing the victim and calling other people trolls. Well, let's analyze what you have posted and defended.

___"The children and most adults don't understand European law or Copy Right LAw. When people complained about STEAM in the UK they turned around and banned all of their accounts." -I see no concrete proofs. Pretty general blanketing statement about people too.
___"AND STOP PESTERING ME FOR MONEY!" -When nobody asked you to pay anything on this site?
___"No Endorsements, No Permissions, No Donations. 100% free mods 4-ever, one way or another." -If that's helping the modding community in anyway.....
___"I read what you wrote and I can only giggle that you have lowered yourself to calling me "stupid"' -- When nobody directly said you are stupid (self awareness?)
___"I am a stupid person who drives a Super Snake and I am laughing at how stupid you may think I am." --Maybe that was sarcasm? Or maybe....
___"You can fool all the kids here but anyone with real business and life experience sees right through you" --I guess you're the only expert
___"it says that you feel you need to bully me in order to distract people from the real issue " - victimization (someone call the FBI)
___"Of course I say that with tongue in cheek but I have been fighting the machine my whole life and I am getting tired... this really makes me not want to care any more and just let the children work it out themselves." - That's pretty impressive, fighting the "machines" and all. So vague yet so powerful.
___"If Dark0ne want to be the Champion " ---He never said that, you implied or you twisted his words to say so as evident by his quote: "If people are heralding me, specifically, as their champion in the fight against paid modding then they've done that of their own accord, and I certainly haven't agreed to be that champion."
___"Ya so what. Leave me alone. I was just giving him a little taste of his own medicine. "
___"What does that have to do with you? Right! Nothing. Now go pester someone else. You want to pay for mods, go ahead. I don't care about you. You are not even a modder."
___and then "If you are the adult you claim to be then please act like it now." ----Sounds like trolling to me
___"They gave us the CS (construction set) for free and allowed and trusted us to mod as a hobby. But we abused that trust and turned it into a business. And so now Big Daddy Bethesda is coming and punishing us " --- umm, what?
___"Oh don't bother, that guy xfallen has no friends, no pics, no mods. "
___"I think everyone should pay for mods. I hope it becomes the norm and that people become successful. I hope Dark0ne makes a lot of money from Valve."---Wait what?

I think I'll stop there as this is getting pretty rediculous. There's plenty more information for people to search though. If you read this and still believe she is not trolling, then I rest my case.
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im afraid there r more than that..maybe this just merely future assumption....im afraid there will be no dlc from bethesda no patch...bethesda will monetize everything...sell the CK for monthly sub..and release and also must be paid sources code...so community can finish their job for them(already done but not this extensive)..it not the modder fault but if we support them the company sure just milking out the money all the way.
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That's how big business works when you go to the supermarket and pay less than £1 for four pints of milk how much of that do you think the farmer gets. Right now it costs more to produce four pints than the farmer receives for it but whens the last time you refused to buy milk ?. Edited by Shadowmane01
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While personal integrity and morals are all well and good, there are more effective ways of fighting this then throwing up your hand and leaving the modding scene. If what your seeing now bothers you so much then the best response is to voice your outrage by not buying anything from valve or bethesda and then to just keep on releasing free mod the same as you were before all this s#*! happened. And if that's not enough for you then use this as a learning opportunity and teach your self how to make even BETTER mods than before. Don't just out shine the mods on the workshop; put them to shame. That will hit valve and bethesda right were it hurts the most: the wallet. That is how you fight this. Edited by popcorn71
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  On 4/26/2015 at 7:53 AM, snapperfishes said:

 

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And Bethesda will be well within their rights to charge whatever they want for a monthly subscription. Is it a dick move? Probably. But this a free country and part of the cost of that freedom is that people can do whatever they want as long as it is legal and reasonable, just as anyone is free to not buy their next game.

 

 

Dick move feels like an understatement. But yes, they could do it and weather the outrage relatively unscathed too. Apparently only 14% of Skyrim sales were on PC to begin with so despite how cosmically important the modding feels to we here on the Nexus it evidently can't be THAT important. They could very easily decide the potential profits outweigh the righteous ire they'd be inviting. But it would work, it appeals to self interest of modders while also undercutting actual reasonable choice. So snekky.

 

BUT!

 

HEAR THIS BETHESDA! You will make this young person lose 5 Faith-In-Humanity points if you do this! Consider that carefully before you let corporate greed turn you totally evil. Youthful idealism > greed.

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It's splitting the community because nobody is wrong:

1) People who SUPPORT paid mods think modders are well within their rights to make money from their own hard work. There are some legal kinks to work out (e.g. mods that use resources from other mods), but those can be solved. Modders spend a lot of time to develop their mods, and if they want to be paid for their work no one can stop them.

2) People who are AGAINST paid mods because they believe mods should be free and open. Having paid mods lock down resources that may otherwise be shared freely. If you develop a paid mod you would be less inclined to share your resources with other modders. This stifle the flow of knowledge and damages the community.

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You're very worried about this. I can see why, the free promotion on this site of downloading free mods is great business and you have made good money off of this of course through ads and so forth. Being worried about this new development can be a strain on your business.

 

I know you may worry about ppl pulling their major mods off of your site and putting them on Steam for $$$ that may I add they do deserve. But don't worry, you'll still get traffic and so forth.

 

Those vacays you have to put off that are funded by the income you generate from the traffic of users seeking the mods on this site are well of being put of. Come up with an incentive for the mod authors that make you money by generating traffic through your site via ads wanting views and so forth and you'll be fine.

 

Don't bring on a campaign of "why modding should not be commercialized etc" but rather be real and give the ppl/mod authors a reason to stay and post and in the end make you money and get something out of it themselves.

 

 

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Scissor me Timbers!!!!


Sorry, it was mentioning Xerxes what did it. I couldn't resist.
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You know what sucks the most?

 

I haven't logged into Skyrim in 3 days.

 

That hasn't happened in over 3 years.

 

For me at least, THAT is the most tangible effect of this controversy. I have absolutely no desire to play my favorite game anymore.

 

It's not even burnout. It's sheer principle.

 

Well, one way or another, that's something I'm going to have to come to terms with.

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