Crash to Desktop ESC ITEM MAGIC and Cell Change

[manchuligans]

Hi Everyone,

 

I really need some help with this.

 

I'm crashing to desktop every 2 or 3 minutes. I've narrowed it down to the following situations:

 

Cell change

 

- Loading from one area to another

- Moving from one cell to another in open country

 

+ No crashes hanging out in one cell just walking around and not accessing any menus

+ The console command pcb (purge cell buffer) every 1 or 2 minutes seems to help. I do it manually every time I open a menu or see something load in the distance. It's a drag, but at least I can play for a few minutes before crashing to desktop.

 

Accessing Menus

 

- Opening the Items menu for trade, inventory, or looting

- Opening the Magic menu

- Pressing the ESC key to save the game before it crashes again, sigh

* So far no trouble with the world map or leveling up menu

 

Loading savegames

 

- Sometimes a savegame will crash to desktop, most usually an autosave. Thing is, if I just keep trying to open it, it loads with no problem after a couple of tries.

 

Vanilla Skyrim

 

- My vanilla Skyrim immediately crashes to desktop whenever I try to launch it from Steam, the TESV.exe, or the official launcher. I can only launch it through SKSE in Mod Organizer.

 

Other than these problems, the game is running very well. My framerate is great even in a tavern crowded with NPCs.

 

 

My desktop:

 

Windows 7 64-bit

i7 quad core 3.3Ghz CPU

24GB RAM

2x Nvidia GTX 760 4GB VRAM each

 

Skyrim is installed on a Western Digital 1TB hard drive which is not the C drive and my Steam folder is not in a UAC controlled folder.

 

 

Mods:

 

I'm using more than 150 mods. Unless someone actually thinks it will help, I won't list them all. Here is some pertinent info:

 

> I'm using Mod Organizer with Wrye Bash, TES5Edit and LOOT.

 

> I installed my current mod setup on a fresh install of Skyrim from Steam.

 

Relevant Mods:

 

Computer OS fixes include Unpark CPU Cores and Cleanmemory, both of which really helped. Before I used those I was crashing every 30 seconds.

 

ini's are updated according to the Skyrim Stability Guide and Realvision ENB.

 

Realvision ENB266

 

Skyrim, Dawnguard, Dragonborn, Hearthfires

SKSE

Cell Stabilizer Ugrids to Load (just left at the default 5)

Safety Load

SKSE Memory Patch ini (I know I'm supposed to uninstall Safety Load when I have this, but the ILS came back)

FNIS (kept updated)

Unofficial Skyrim Patch and DLC patches

SkyUI

Skyrim Project Optimization

Climates of Tamriel

Realistic Lighting Overhaul

Expanded Towns and Cities

Skytest Realistic Animals and Predators

Tons of companion and follower mods, only 1 follower right now

Populated Roads, Towns, Cities and Forts (no performance problems unless I open a menu)

Immersive NPCs, Inconsequential NPCs, Interesting NPCs

Realistic Water 2

Realistic Room Rental

Realistic Needs and Diseases

Frostfall

A ton of hair mods, no performance problems or crashes

Simple Actions

Sit Anywhere

Skyfalls and Skymills

Skyrim Particle Patch for ENB and the Subsurface Scattering Patch

Complete Crafting Overhaul

Trade and Barter

Ultimate Follower Overhaul

Violenz Killmove Mod, works fine

Dual Sheath Redux, works fine

HDT Physics Extension

Live Anywhere

Jaxonz Positioner

FPI

Skyrim Flora Overhaul Regular Edition

Duke Patrick's Archery and Heavy Weapons Mod

Immersive Fallen Trees

Ultimate HD Fire Effects

Helgen Reborn

 

 

I didn't mention any texture upgrade mods because I don't have any anymore :sad: I was using the 1k version of Vivid Landscapes All in One. Taking out the environmental texure upgrades didn't change anything.

 

I'm not using Warzones, Civil War Overhaul or anything else that might choke my system.

 

Mod Organizer isn't showing me any warning flags. I cleaned the Update and DLC files as per the STEP instructions, though LOOT is telling me I need to clean them again.

 

Really, even with all of the mods the game loads fine and functions beautifully, except it crashes to desktop so much. Combat is fine and I get a good framerate.

 

The only other things I can think of are:

- a brief shudder when I change cell boundaries and don't crash or access a menu and don't crash.

- Sometimes NPCs are unresponsive to the 'talk to so-and-so' key. The dialogue menu just doesn't open. Quitting and reloading doesn't help, neither does recycling the actor by the console command.

- outdoor locations take a long time to load, like Honeydew Meadery is a gray block for a while as I'm walking up before it loads its texures.

 

Anyway, I would appreciate any assistance.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[manchuligans]

Well, believe it or not I fixed it. Here is what I did:

 

I installed all the memory related fixes I could.

 

U Grids To Load

Safety Load

SKSE Memory Patch

ENB

 

and

 

All the memory fixes from the Skyrim Stability Project here on Nexus:

 

Unpark CPU cores utility

Set TESV.exe to have permanent high priority in Windows Task Manager with a utility

Cleanmem application memory improvement utility

 

and the ini fixes according to my ENB and the Skyrim Stability Project

 

I removed Extended Towns and Cities according to Jennabee's stickied article. All my other mods were still in the load order.

 

then, when all this seemed like it wasn't working, i started a new game for the hell of it.

 

And Skyrim worked, faster than a player-character-eating wolf and smooth as silk. I guess my previous savegames were totally polluted.

 

I ran through the tutorial and out into the world, expecting crashes every minute. When I got out of Helgen, I started taunting the game, trying to make it crash, opening menus willy nilly and running as fast as possible from Helgen to Whiterun. I think I crashed once in that hour. Sometimes I would get a little stuttering as if the game were trying to crash but couldn't.

 

So, to fix Skyrim's crashing when trying to run it vanilla, I did a clean install and started another new game with the same mod lineup.

 

Now it's running fast and smooth and hasn't crashed once in 5 hours.

 

A couple of issues: I had what I thought was stuttering, but that was the mouse acceleration bug which I fixed with an ini tweak (search on google), and then I had the stupid static sound bug, which I fixed with a windows control panel setting (search skyrim sound bug on google and you see the links to youtube videos, it's completely easy)

 

 

Now my ENB looks great, Skyrim is running fast and smooth with most of the mods I want, and I finally get to play.

 

The keys were the windows memory utilities mentioned in Skyrim Stability Project, Safety Load, ENB, a clean install and a new game.

 

Thanks Skyrim Stability Project and Jennabee for your article Only You Can Prevent Forest Fires.