Load Order Check

[AH1]

Hello everyone,

 

Thanks for taking a few minutes to help me out. It's been awhile since I last asked for community help to check my load order, so I wanted to do that now and get some input. I always use BOSS, but even that doesn't always do the trick, so I could use some help.

 

So, here is my load order. If you see anything that can be bashed, please let me know what tags to use. Currently I'm already bashing everything that WryeBash recommends merging, but I have a gut feeling more can be done. There are a few anomalies here, for instance, you will notice enhanced hotkeys is last. That is because if I put it before Deadly Reflex, it crashes the game.

 

 

Active Mod Files:
00  Oblivion.esm
01  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.0]
02  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]
03  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]
04  Harvest[Containers].esm
05  Harvest[Containers] - Flat-Top Barrels Add-on.esm
06  Harvest[Containers] - Havok Crates Add-on.esm
07  Harvest[Containers] - Player Home Add-on.esm
08  EyeCandy - Content.esm
09  Independent High Elf Body (Replace)(v1.1).esm
0A  HorseCombatMaster.esm
0B  CustomSpellIcons.esm
0C  ShieldOnBack.esm  [Version 3.3]
0D  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.2]
0E  TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp
0F  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
10  TNR - ShiveringIsles no helms.esp
11  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
12  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]
13  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.1]
14  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.0]
15  Immersive Interiors.esp  [Version 0.7]
16  Immersive Interiors - Lights Addon.esp  [Version 0.7]
++  Advanced_Water_Modification-2734.esp
++  Underwater.esp
17  Real Lava 1.3.esp
18  Storms & Sound.esp
19  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.1]
1A  CampfireBehavior.esp  [Version 3.0]
1B  WindowLightingSystem.esp
1C  AliveWaters.esp
1D  AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp
1E  AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp
1F  Book Jackets Oblivion.esp
20  ImprovedSigns.esp
++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.76]
21  GrayFoxLeatherReward.esp
22  Cats & Rats.esp
23  Luchaire's Neck Seam Concealer.esp
24  personality_idles2.esp
25  P1DseeYouSleep.esp
26  rwr mannequins.esp
++  VA_BetterGold.esp
27  RAEVWD Cities.esp  [Version 1.9]
++  Harvest[Containers] - SI - Ore Respawn.esp
28  RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.6.1]
++  Harvest[Containers] - Vanilla - Ore Respawn.esp
29  RAEVWD Imperial City.esp  [Version 1.9]
++  Harvest[Containers] - Player Home Add-on.esp
2A  Shield on Back 3.1.esp
++  Harvest[Containers] - Flat-Top Barrels Add-on.esp
++  Harvest[Containers] - Havok Crates Add-on.esp
2B  Get Wet - just droplets.esp
2C  Get Wet Dark.esp
2D  StandingJOJO.esp
2E  DLCHorseArmor.esp
2F  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
30  DLCOrrery.esp
31  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]
32  DLCVileLair.esp
33  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
34  P1DseeYouSleep - DLCVileLair.esp
35  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
36  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
37  DLCSpellTomes.esp
++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
38  CapesandCloaks.esp
39  KDCirclets.esp
3A  DianoArmor2.esp
3B  Slof's Horses Base.esp
3C  Slof's Horses HA Essential.esp
++  Legion's Horses Armored With Slof's Horse Bases.esp
3D  0FLeatherSuitV2.esp
3E  phinix_dual-wield_imports.esp
++  RealBanditsAndHighwaymen.esp
3F  Weapon Expansion Pack for Oblivion Nthusiasts.esp  [Version 1.03]
40  UFF Lady Shadow.esp
41  DLCThievesDen.esp
42  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
43  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
++  Francesco's Optional Vendor Tweaks.esp
44  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]
45  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]
++  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.44]
46  Alluring Potion Bottles v3.esp
47  Alluring Wine Bottles.esp
48  Creature Diversity.esp  [Version 1.06]
49  Better Benirus Manor.esp
++  Better Benirus Manor for Cobl - Complete - AN-II Patch.esp
4A  Better Benirus Manor - AN Patch - Natural.esp
4B  24HrArenaAliveV2.esp
4C  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
4D  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
4E  DLCFrostcrag.esp
4F  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
50  Lynges_Dark_Brotherhood_Assassins-8654.esp
51  Knights.esp
52  Knights - Book Jackets.esp
53  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]
54  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
55  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]
56  xulTheHeath.esp
57  XulEntiusGorge.esp
58  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]
59  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]
5A  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]
5B  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]
5C  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]
5D  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3.1]
5E  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.3]
5F  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]
60  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]
61  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]
62  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]
63  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.3]
64  xulPantherRiver.esp
65  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]
66  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1]
67  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.6]
68  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.0]
69  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
6A  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]
6B  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
6C  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0.2]
6D  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]
++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
6E  MidasSpells.esp
++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
6F  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
70  AutoBookPlacer.esp  [Version 3.02]
++  Better Staff of Worms.esp
71  DecoratorAssistant with OBSE v1.1.esp
++  NPC Static Level.esp
72  xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp
73  P1DkeyChain.esp  [Version 5.00]
74  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]
++  Sexy Dark Seducer & Golden Saint Armour.esp
75  EyeCandy Compilation.esp
76  StarX Vampire Deaths.esp
77  Circ Vamp Aesthetics.esp
78  Eroblivion.esp
79  NoDurationSpells.esp
7A  BasicInstinct.esp
7B  seph dual wield.esp
7C  RealisticHealth.esp
7D  Vector.esp  [Version 0.3]
7E  'Eagle Eye' Realistic Archery v1.0 Fixed.esp  [Version 1.0]
7F  No psychic guards v1.2.esp
80  Unequip Broken Armor.esp
81  CTAddPose_v_1.esp
82  CTAddPose_osr1.esp
++  Item interchange - Placement.esp  [Version 0.76]
++  Khajiit Fix.esp
83  CTAddPose_osr2.esp
84  RealisticLeveling.esp
85  CTAddPose_osr3.esp
86  CTAddPose.esp
87  R18PN - Lingeries.esp
++  Slof's Oblivion Better Beasts.esp
88  actors_in_charge.esp
89  77_Umpa_Animation.esp
++  EyelashesVannilaRaces.esp
8A  EFGAddPose.esp
++  MergedMouth.esp
8B  ahtata dremora.esp
8C  shinyEmotions.esp
8D  Slof's Sexy Anims.esp
8E  ElaborateEyes-RensBeautyPackFull.esp
8F  Beautiful People.esp
90  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]
++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]
++  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]
++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]
91  Francesco's 7 days respawn time - 1-16 day lenght rescale.esp
92  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]
93  qazFingerSnap.esp
++  bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp  [Version 1.68]
94  Chameleon-NoRefraction-2411.esp
95  bgMagicLightningbolt.esp
++  Visually Enchanted 2.1.esp
96  Shining Creatures.esp  [Version 1.2]
++  Shining Creatures_DLCFrostcrag.esp
++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]
++  bgMagicEVNoSorting.esp
**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.1]
++  Independent High Elf Body (Replace)(v1.1).esp
++  Ebony Blade Replacer.esp
++  Staves.esp
97  tag_NaturalWildlife_v12.esp
++  Mage Names.esp
++  Better Benirus Manor - SYS Patch.esp
98  PTFallingStars.esp
99  Evantal's Dual Wielding.esp  [Version 2.5c]
9A  Cryos Ordinator Lite.esp
++  HGEC_special_armor_repl.esp
9B  NewAmberFF.esp
9C  Female Legion and Guard Armors.esp
9D  BBBRoseoftheGuard.esp
9E  Better Benirus Manor - Helping Hands (EE).esp
9F  Navel Piercings Enchanted.esp
A0  Navel Piercings.esp
A1  Navel Piercings TAIL.esp
A2  Navel Piercings Enchanted TAIL.esp
A3  Mayu's Animation Overhaul.esp
++  Throat Slitting Daggers for Deadly Reflex.esp
A4  DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp
A5  Bashed Patch, 0.esp
A6  Enhanced Hotkeys.esp  [Version 2.1]

 

[Hickory]

Your load list is not as BOSS suggests, so either you have rearranged it yourself, quite badly by the look, or your BOSS masterlist is out of date.

 

Also, if you read the BOSS suggestions, you would be directed to download this for a hotfix for Deadly Reflex CTD issues.

[AH1]

It is possible it is out of date, although I just downloaded a new masterlist a few weeks ago.

 

The only things I've reordered myself are MAO, a few of the animations, which I moved above MAO so that NPCs can use them, Enhanced Hotkeys, and Deadly Reflex, which I moved below MAO so that NPCs can use it too.

 

Other than that, I've been letting BOSS take care of things, only reordering those mentioned things if it changes them. I've followed BOSS's recommendations, and I already have that DR hotfix. BOSS tells me to download it no matter what I do.

 

Whelp, this is why I'm asking for help. It is an acknowledgment of my inability and an opportunity to learn from those more knowledgeable.

 

Thanks for your help so far.

Edited January 12, 2011 by AH1

[Hickory]

Well, there is no reason for your BOSS masterlist to be so far out of date, especially with the newest version of BOSS. And your list is certainly awry, as Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp, to name just one is WAY up the list. Bottom line: your list is not in good order. You come here for help; I offer it. Your choice from here.

[Smooth613]

If moving Enhanced Hotkeys, which relies on scripting 100% and is Load Order independent, causes problems then you definitely have some issues elsewhere. Enhanced Hotkeys doesn't even use Oblivion as a master file. All of it's content is unique. So your issue is likely totally unrelated to EH and just has the appearance that it's altering the outcome. I've used Enhanced Hotkeys since it's release and I've also used Deadly Reflex 5 and 6 for a very long time, and the two do not conflict in any way. You need to investigate further since it's not logical to assume this is related to just these two mods, especially Enhanced Hotkeys. Mods that rely on scripting only, independent of other game scripts, are LO independent and should not in any way effect your LO. That means you should be able to put Enhanced Hotkeys first, last, or in the middle, and it work the same. Another example of a LO independent mod is Streamline. There are more of course.

[AH1]

Hickory, if I've offended you in some way, I apologize. I'm willing to take any help I'm offered. I'm giving as much details as I can so I can get as much help as I can.

 

Thanks for the advice, Smooth613. To be honest, I've kept EH where it was because I had a crashing issue once with it and I've been afraid to move it since. I suppose it is more stupid superstition than actual fact.

 

The one thing I'm unsure of is the mods BOSS doesn't recognize. Where should I put them?

 

What I came here specifically looking for was someone who could give me general tips regarding load order. If one of the mods BOSS doesn't recognize is the problem, then I'm lost because I have no idea where to put them in the load order. I'm simply not knowledgeable enough to figure that out on my own (thus the need for help). Just saying my load order is wrong doesn't help me much, you know? I know its wrong. That's why I need help :)

 

EDIT: Here is an updated load order after following everyone's instructions so far:

 

 

Active Mod Files:
00  Oblivion.esm
01  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.0]
02  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]
03  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]
04  Harvest[Containers].esm
05  Harvest[Containers] - Flat-Top Barrels Add-on.esm
06  Harvest[Containers] - Havok Crates Add-on.esm
07  Harvest[Containers] - Player Home Add-on.esm
08  EyeCandy - Content.esm
09  Independent High Elf Body (Replace)(v1.1).esm
0A  CustomSpellIcons.esm
0B  HorseCombatMaster.esm
0C  ShieldOnBack.esm  [Version 3.3]
0D  TNR ALL RACES FINAL.esp
0E  TNR - ShiveringIsles no helms.esp
0F  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.2]
10  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
11  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
12  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]
13  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.1]
14  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.0]
15  Immersive Interiors.esp  [Version 0.7]
16  Immersive Interiors - Lights Addon.esp  [Version 0.7]
++  Advanced_Water_Modification-2734.esp
++  Underwater.esp
++  Real Lava 1.3.esp
17  Storms & Sound.esp
18  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.1]
19  CampfireBehavior.esp  [Version 3.0]
1A  WindowLightingSystem.esp
1B  AliveWaters.esp
1C  AliveWaters - Koi Addon.esp
1D  AliveWaters - Slaughterfish Addon.esp
1E  Book Jackets Oblivion.esp
1F  Cats & Rats.esp
20  GrayFoxLeatherReward.esp
21  ImprovedSigns.esp
++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.76]
22  Luchaire's Neck Seam Concealer.esp
23  personality_idles2.esp
24  P1DseeYouSleep.esp
25  PTFallingStars.esp
26  RAEVWD Cities.esp  [Version 1.9]
27  RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.6.1]
28  RAEVWD Imperial City.esp  [Version 1.9]
29  rwr mannequins.esp
2A  Shield on Back 3.1.esp
++  VA_BetterGold.esp
++  Harvest[Containers] - SI - Ore Respawn.esp
++  Harvest[Containers] - Vanilla - Ore Respawn.esp
++  Harvest[Containers] - Player Home Add-on.esp
++  Harvest[Containers] - Flat-Top Barrels Add-on.esp
++  Harvest[Containers] - Havok Crates Add-on.esp
2B  StandingJOJO.esp
2C  Get Wet - just droplets.esp
2D  Get Wet Dark.esp
2E  Enhanced Hotkeys.esp  [Version 2.1]
2F  DLCHorseArmor.esp
30  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
31  DLCOrrery.esp
32  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]
33  DLCVileLair.esp
34  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
35  P1DseeYouSleep - DLCVileLair.esp
36  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
37  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
38  DLCSpellTomes.esp
++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
39  EyeCandy Compilation.esp
++  HGEC_special_armor_repl.esp
3A  Cryos Ordinator Lite.esp
3B  BBBRoseoftheGuard.esp
3C  CapesandCloaks.esp
3D  KDCirclets.esp
3E  0FLeatherSuitV2.esp
3F  phinix_dual-wield_imports.esp
40  UFF Lady Shadow.esp
41  R18PN - Lingeries.esp
42  DianoArmor2.esp
43  Slof's Horses Base.esp
44  Slof's Horses HA Essential.esp
++  Legion's Horses Armored With Slof's Horse Bases.esp
++  RealBanditsAndHighwaymen.esp
45  Weapon Expansion Pack for Oblivion Nthusiasts.esp  [Version 1.03]
46  DLCThievesDen.esp
47  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
48  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
++  Francesco's Optional Vendor Tweaks.esp
49  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]
4A  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]
++  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.44]
4B  Alluring Potion Bottles v3.esp
4C  Alluring Wine Bottles.esp
4D  Creature Diversity.esp  [Version 1.06]
4E  Better Benirus Manor.esp
++  Better Benirus Manor for Cobl - Complete - AN-II Patch.esp
4F  Better Benirus Manor - AN Patch - Natural.esp
++  Better Benirus Manor - SYS Patch.esp
50  Lynges_Dark_Brotherhood_Assassins-8654.esp
51  24HrArenaAliveV2.esp
52  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
53  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
54  DLCFrostcrag.esp
55  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
56  Knights.esp
57  Knights - Book Jackets.esp
58  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]
59  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
5A  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]
5B  xulTheHeath.esp
5C  XulEntiusGorge.esp
5D  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]
5E  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]
5F  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]
60  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]
61  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]
62  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3.1]
63  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.3]
64  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]
65  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]
66  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]
67  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]
68  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.3]
69  xulPantherRiver.esp
6A  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]
6B  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1]
6C  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.6]
6D  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.0]
6E  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
6F  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]
70  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
71  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0.2]
72  xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp
73  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]
++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
74  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
75  AutoBookPlacer.esp  [Version 3.02]
++  Better Staff of Worms.esp
76  DecoratorAssistant with OBSE v1.1.esp
++  NPC Static Level.esp
77  P1DkeyChain.esp  [Version 5.00]
78  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]
++  Sexy Dark Seducer & Golden Saint Armour.esp
79  Eroblivion.esp
7A  StarX Vampire Deaths.esp
7B  RealisticHealth.esp
7C  Circ Vamp Aesthetics.esp
7D  NoDurationSpells.esp
7E  BasicInstinct.esp
7F  MidasSpells.esp
80  Vector.esp  [Version 0.3]
81  No psychic guards v1.2.esp
82  'Eagle Eye' Realistic Archery v1.0 Fixed.esp  [Version 1.0]
++  seph dual wield.esp
83  Unequip Broken Armor.esp
84  RealisticLeveling.esp
85  qazFingerSnap.esp
86  Mayu's Animation Overhaul.esp
87  DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp
88  CTAddPose_v_1.esp
89  CTAddPose_osr1.esp
8A  CTAddPose_osr2.esp
8B  CTAddPose_osr3.esp
8C  CTAddPose.esp
8D  actors_in_charge.esp
8E  77_Umpa_Animation.esp
8F  EFGAddPose.esp
90  shinyEmotions.esp
91  Slof's Sexy Anims.esp
++  Item interchange - Placement.esp  [Version 0.76]
++  Khajiit Fix.esp
++  Slof's Oblivion Better Beasts.esp
++  EyelashesVannilaRaces.esp
++  MergedMouth.esp
92  ElaborateEyes-RensBeautyPackFull.esp
93  Beautiful People.esp
94  ahtata dremora.esp
95  bgMagicEV.esp  [Version 1.7EV]
++  bgMagicSpellTomes_for_WryeBash.esp  [Version 1.68EV]
++  bgMagicItemSigil.esp  [Version 1.68EV]
++  bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp  [Version 1.68EV]
++  bgMagicEVNoSorting.esp
96  Francesco's 7 days respawn time - 1-16 day lenght rescale.esp
97  bgMagicEVShader.esp  [Version 1.7EV]
++  bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp  [Version 1.68]
98  bgMagicLightningbolt.esp
++  Visually Enchanted 2.1.esp
99  Shining Creatures.esp  [Version 1.2]
++  Shining Creatures_DLCFrostcrag.esp
++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]
**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.1]
++  Independent High Elf Body (Replace)(v1.1).esp
++  Ebony Blade Replacer.esp
++  Staves.esp
9A  tag_NaturalWildlife_v12.esp
9B  Evantal's Dual Wielding.esp  [Version 2.5c]
++  Mage Names.esp
9C  NewAmberFF.esp
9D  Female Legion and Guard Armors.esp
9E  Better Benirus Manor - Helping Hands (EE).esp
9F  Navel Piercings Enchanted.esp
A0  Navel Piercings.esp
A1  Navel Piercings TAIL.esp
A2  Navel Piercings Enchanted TAIL.esp
++  Throat Slitting Daggers for Deadly Reflex.esp
A3  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

 

 

 

I'm still having a crash problem that I can't narrow down, however. It might be unrelated to the load order.

Edited January 12, 2011 by AH1

[Hickory]

Offended? Not at all. But I won't play psychic guessing games -- I probably live on a different continent than you, and I cannot be aware of what you have or have not done, like installing the latest version of BOSS, and updatting the masterlist, (not using one that you "just" downloaded "a few weeks ago"). I have told you that your load list bears no relation to the BOSS suggestions. You dispute this -- your few exceptions show that you don't trust the experts who produce and maintain BOSS. You say that you have been letting BOSS take care of things, and I believe you, but you must also believe me when I tell you that your list does not tally with the BOSS masterlist, even ignoring your exceptions.

 

Regarding mods that BOSS doesn't recognize, they can be sorted through your userlist.txt. For example NewAmberFF.esp is currently not recognised by BOSS, so in your userlist you could add it to be sorted like so:

 

ADD: NewAmberFF.esp

TOP: Items N

 

This entry is an assumption that NewAmberFF.esp is a misc. items mod. Read the BOSS help file for more help on using the userlist. Also, you should familiarize yourself with the masterlist layout/format, so that you will have some idea of where to add unrecognized mods in your userlist. Another alternative is to submit the unknown mods to the BOSS team at the official Bethesda forum.

 

Just saying you let BOSS do it, and leave it at that, doesn't help me, you know?

[AH1]

Yeah, thank you for taking the time to help me understand.

 

Anyway, I followed the suggestions, and I posted the new load order. This time, I honestly let BOSS do everything, and I updated the masterlist. I only moved one thing, and that was DR so that it was below MAO since NPCs won't be able to use it if it is above MAO (according to a answers given in the DR comments page regarding DR and MAO, which is the only reason I've done that).

 

I haven't done anything else other than that since running BOSS. I'm still having a crash problem. The game will run for maybe a minute or two then crash. I've had a problem like this before and it was being caused by a load order problem, which is why I thought I'd check here to see if maybe it could be sorted out. It still might be one. Last time I had community help for sorting out a load order problem, I had some people who were pretty knowledgeable (or at least they seemed so compared to me) have me reposition a few things after BOSS ran, and that solved the problem.

 

I was hoping that I might get some help like that this time. However, since a CTD can be almost anything, my load order may be fine. I want to assure you that I'm not sitting on my hands, I am trying other things while I wait for a reply (that don't involve messing with the load order).

 

If I can be of more help by giving more details on something specific, please let me know.

[Shadowfen]

I was hoping that I might get some help like that this time. However, since a CTD can be almost anything, my load order may be fine. I want to assure you that I'm not sitting on my hands, I am trying other things while I wait for a reply (that don't involve messing with the load order).

 

If I can be of more help by giving more details on something specific, please let me know.

 

Have you been rebuilding your Bashed Patch after running BOSS? The Bashed Patch will change because it is affected by the load order of the mods that it pulls in.

Edited January 12, 2011 by Shadowfen

[AH1]

Yes, I have been doing that.

 

I think I figured out what was causing the crash. For some reason, whenever I use the UL Dark Forest mod, my game becomes very unstable. I'm not sure why. Sure enough, it was enabled, and as soon as I disabled it, my game stopped crashing. I have no clue why that particular mod causes problems. It may be a load order problem, or a conflict with another mod. OBMM isn't reporting a conflict with that mod in particular, but it might still be conflicting somewhere outside the scope of the conflict detector. At any rate, the crashing has stopped for now.

 

Still, as Hickory has pointed out, there are problems with my load order that I need to fix. So if there is any further input on that, I'd be very appreciative. I'm grateful for you taking the time to help me so far.