Oblivion sudden crash

[TheDan92]

Hello, posting here in the hope that someone may help... :wallbash:

 

So, until 3 days ago I was playing Oblivion with no problems whatsoever, let's say about 250 mods in total, and no serious issues EVER (apart from the occasional CTD, but that's part of the Oblivion experience :biggrin: )

Then, for some idiotic reason, I decided that the Robert's Male Body v3, which I've been using for ages (and which I didn't HAVE to change, really) gave my fella a weird neck line, so I went for V4. BAAAAD decision. Plopped that in my Data directory after going through the ReadMe, disabled V3, ticked V4, did an ArchiveInvalidation in OBMM, started the game via OBSE-Loader, loaded a save...

 

And it froze about 3/4 through the loadbar, stood there for about 1-2 minutes, then CTD with:

AppName Oblivion.exe

FaultModule ntdll.dll

and some other details I did not note down.

 

 

I said "Meh, happens..." so I did it again.

This time, it popped up, I heard probably half-a-second of the Bethesda intro, then CTD - no error whatsoever. Weird.

I go check out the OBMM load-order. Try again. Same thing, the game's not starting.

Removed V4, put V3 back in, re-ticked V3, still nothing.

 

Today I ran into a guy who had the same thing, only he used BOSS to fix the no start issue; So I dl'd BOSS and put it to work - needless to say, it found a few things wrong (but those weren't related to the sudden CTD, as they were wrong even BEFORE that happened). Fixed those, adjusted my order, launchd the game...

 

YAY, MENU!!! Let's play! :laugh:

Load Game... FREEZES 1/3 through, crashes 1-2 minutes later, Windows Error... :wallbash:

 

 

Problem signature:

Problem Event Name: APPCRASH

Application Name: Oblivion.exe

Application Version: 1.2.0.416

Application Timestamp: 215a5750

Fault Module Name: ntdll.dll

Fault Module Version: 6.1.7600.16385

Fault Module Timestamp: 4a5bdb3b

Exception Code: c00000fd

Exception Offset: 0002dd7e

OS Version: 6.1.7600.2.0.0.256.1

Locale ID: 1033

Additional Information 1: ccf0

Additional Information 2: ccf08d7a22845210bdd5a78da3ab019e

Additional Information 3: fb3f

Additional Information 4: fb3f5fe4a18ad58f0d014b59f3ff70e3

 

 

 

I'm not sure what it means, but I do know that ntdll.dll is an essential part of Windows, so it could be something not-so-easy to fix.

I also don't remember if my regular CTD's were due to ntdll.dll as the Fault Module, or it was just Oblivion.exe :unsure:

One more thing - whatever song the game selected plays normally on the background; Then there's silence, no other song loads (as it usually does).

 

If anyone can help, I would greatly appreciate it. Oblivion is, like, the #1 of only 4-5 games I regularly play. I need my gametime every now and then, and TES4 is the only one that truly delivers. I could play FO3 but I've already finished it 5 times... Or STALKER, but the derelict atmosphere gets me down after a while.

 

Thank you in advance. :biggrin:

 

 

=== EDIT: Added a LoadOrder.rtf file I exported from OBMM: It contains all my active mods in BOSS-created load order. I thought it might come in handy.

 

 

Edited January 14, 2011 by TheDan92

[Hickory]

That is a stack overflow, and it is not ntdll.dll that is causing it; that is the library that's running when the stack fails to expand. I suggest you scan your system for malware and viruses, and also check your hard drive for errors. You might also want to add Oblivion.exe to the exception list for DEP, assuming you have that enabled.

[TheDan92]

That is a stack overflow, and it is not ntdll.dll that is causing it; that is the library that's running when the stack fails to expand. I suggest you scan your system for malware and viruses, and also check your hard drive for errors. You might also want to add Oblivion.exe to the exception list for DEP, assuming you have that enabled.

 

I checked my DEP settings, and it's set to "essential Windows programs only". I'll go ahead and run an Error Check on my drive, defrag it, and scan for viruses. I'll start checking out all my other games, to see if there's any similar problem.

 

EDIT: CHKDSK did not solve situation. Other games playing normally. I'll see if I have time to do a virus scan.

Edited January 15, 2011 by TheDan92

[TheDan92]

That is a stack overflow, and it is not ntdll.dll that is causing it; that is the library that's running when the stack fails to expand. I suggest you scan your system for malware and viruses, and also check your hard drive for errors. You might also want to add Oblivion.exe to the exception list for DEP, assuming you have that enabled.

 

Virus scan did not detect anything.

 

I tried starting a new game and it loaded through perfectly, I even saw the face of our beloved Emperor.

Several attempts at loading savegames have all failed, with the laoding bar freezing either 1/2 or 3/4 through, then CTD-ing with the above-mentioned error.

 

I still believe it's something to do with that darned Robert's Male Body V4. I've NEVER had such issues with any other mods before. Never got a crash caused by something other than Oblivion itself. And now I have no idea how to fix it.

A 3-year-old character and hundreds of hours of play screwed over by one little mod... Isn't life delightfully sadistic sometimes?

 

Also, all other games work just fine.

Any ideas?

Edited February 21, 2011 by TheDan92

[Hickory]

That is a stack overflow, and it is not ntdll.dll that is causing it; that is the library that's running when the stack fails to expand. I suggest you scan your system for malware and viruses, and also check your hard drive for errors. You might also want to add Oblivion.exe to the exception list for DEP, assuming you have that enabled.

 

Virus scan did not detect anything.

 

I tried starting a new game and it loaded through perfectly, I even saw the face of our beloved Emperor.

Several attempts at loading savegames have all failed, with the laoding bar freezing either 1/2 or 3/4 through, then CTD-ing with the above-mentioned error.

 

I still believe it's something to do with that darned Robert's Male Body V4. I've NEVER had such issues with any other mods before. Never got a crash caused by something other than Oblivion itself. And now I have no idea how to fix it.

A 3-year-old character and hundreds of hours of play screwed over by one little mod... Isn't life delightfully sadistic sometimes?

 

Also, all other games work just fine.

Any ideas?

 

Isn't it odd that people are so quick to blame one mod, one mod that has been used successfully for years by literally thousands upon thousands of satisfied people. I can tell you now: Robert's Male body replacer does not cause fatal STOP errors, nor does it cause any other kind of CTD if installed correctly.

 

If the errors only occur with previous saved games, then something is clearly amiss between your current setup and those saved games -- they may be corrupt, or maybe trying to load different versions of master files, etc.

[TheDan92]

That is a stack overflow, and it is not ntdll.dll that is causing it; that is the library that's running when the stack fails to expand. I suggest you scan your system for malware and viruses, and also check your hard drive for errors. You might also want to add Oblivion.exe to the exception list for DEP, assuming you have that enabled.

 

Virus scan did not detect anything.

 

I tried starting a new game and it loaded through perfectly, I even saw the face of our beloved Emperor.

Several attempts at loading savegames have all failed, with the laoding bar freezing either 1/2 or 3/4 through, then CTD-ing with the above-mentioned error.

 

I still believe it's something to do with that darned Robert's Male Body V4. I've NEVER had such issues with any other mods before. Never got a crash caused by something other than Oblivion itself. And now I have no idea how to fix it.

A 3-year-old character and hundreds of hours of play screwed over by one little mod... Isn't life delightfully sadistic sometimes?

 

Also, all other games work just fine.

Any ideas?

 

Isn't it odd that people are so quick to blame one mod, one mod that has been used successfully for years by literally thousands upon thousands of satisfied people. I can tell you now: Robert's Male body replacer does not cause fatal STOP errors, nor does it cause any other kind of CTD if installed correctly.

 

If the errors only occur with previous saved games, then something is clearly amiss between your current setup and those saved games -- they may be corrupt, or maybe trying to load different versions of master files, etc.

 

Sorry if I got too carried... I'm just terribly pe'ed off at the current situation. I've dodged tens if not hundreds of the proverbial bullets with all the mods I've had, and I've always fixed them. Many times it was just the process of removing that mod that brought the situation back to normal. RMB v3.7 worked perfectly for me for two whole years, then for some reason I decided to update to v4 - and that probably killed my savegames o_O

 

Every modded Oblivion installation is unique in itself as to how it is structured and where its weaknesses are, that's true. But I can't blame my installation - it's taken hundreds upon hundreds of mods, most worked, some didn't, problems were relatively easily fixed. It's always been taken care of and made sure it's at its best.

So it's quite obvious I am pretty aggravated when my Oblivion works PERFECTLY with RMB v3.7 and 10 minutes later, it turns out RMB v4 fully and utterly killed my game. I don't take it lightly when a mod screws over my installation so badly, it doesn't recover even after I remove the offender.

 

And this error is definitely NOT like all my previous errors, where it was just Oblivion tripping on its own shoelaces. This is a much bigger issue here, something I haven't ran into before, and something I don't know how to resolve. I had just taken my Oblivion experience to new levels with UL, Better Cities, Deserts of Anequina, OBGE v2, and several other mods that made the game exponentially better. Now I stare at loading screens that freeze, and at errors that indicate some serious trouble.

 

So yes, the prospect of losing my character and the time I put in him is strongly unpleasant and distracting. :(

[AxelDominatoR]

Are you already using weOCPS?

http://tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=22282

 

It is an OBSE plugin which helps with many common causes of CTD.

[TheDan92]

Are you already using weOCPS?

http://tesnexus.com/downloads/file.php?id=22282

 

It is an OBSE plugin which helps with many common causes of CTD.

 

No. I will try it immediately.

 

EDIT: Nope, it didn't work. I had some doubts actually, since what I'm experiencing now isn't a crash caused by Oblivion, but by external factors.

Oh well :( Thanks anyways. Back to looking for a cure...

Edited February 27, 2011 by TheDan92

[AxelDominatoR]

Do you have a single savegame with your main character? If you have a savegame history, have you tried loading back in time and seeing if a different area will load instead?

 

I don't use Robert's file. Can you please confirm that both V3 and V4 version do overwrite the same files? I mean: extract both version in two different folders and see if they contains the same file. I suspect there is some added file in V4 which is not overwritten when you unpack V3 again, thus preventing V3 to work.

 

By the way, if you try the "Installers" tab in Wrye Bash, this will make everything easier, because it is able to detect conflicts between meshes and textures, too

(is robert's male in wrye compatible format? Anyone?)

Read the Wrye Bash manual about the Installer things. It is *really really really* handy.