marharth Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 This might sound bad but I might of changed my mind about this... In the long run, the CIA killing people that are not in the USA doesn't hurt us at all if no one finds out. There are situations where the CIA might of hurt us, but killing people not friendly with the USA doesn't hurt us, as bad as that sounds. That still doesn't make it right...Well of course its not right, the whole "For The Greater Good" ideology fails in many ways. This is about if they help or hurt the USA though, and people were talking about some of what I said. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurielius Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Well of course its not right, the whole "For The Greater Good" ideology fails in many ways.This is about if they help or hurt the USA though, and people were talking about some of what I said. Just out of idle curiosity what criterion would YOU use for terminating a foreign national? So far expediency seems to the guide line that you are in favor of, I am not asking for a moral guideline that would pass muster in a church but one that one could defended as appropriate to the level of sanction applied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbringe Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Well of course its not right, the whole "For The Greater Good" ideology fails in many ways.This is about if they help or hurt the USA though, and people were talking about some of what I said. Just out of idle curiosity what criterion would YOU use for terminating a foreign national? So far expediency seems to the guide line that you are in favor of, I am not asking for a moral guideline that would pass muster in a church but one that one could defended as appropriate to the level of sanction applied. Maybe these speeches and quotes by other great Americans can speak to what secrecy and the role for good or evil in the the pursuit of power it has and can play in the American society. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CBtL3NIcAvU Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marharth Posted February 1, 2011 Share Posted February 1, 2011 Well of course its not right, the whole "For The Greater Good" ideology fails in many ways.This is about if they help or hurt the USA though, and people were talking about some of what I said. Just out of idle curiosity what criterion would YOU use for terminating a foreign national? So far expediency seems to the guide line that you are in favor of, I am not asking for a moral guideline that would pass muster in a church but one that one could defended as appropriate to the level of sanction applied.Not sure what your trying to ask me... All I am saying is that if the CIA kills someone neutral/bad to the USA that is outside/inside of the country it won't have much effect, and might have a good effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurielius Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Not sure what your trying to ask me...All I am saying is that if the CIA kills someone neutral/bad to the USA that is outside/inside of the country it won't have much effect, and might have a good effect. Ok first off you do know that it is illegal for the CIA to operate inside the national boundaries much less kill someone inside the Untied States? I find it extremely droll that I am in the position of our more 'liberal' posting friends but, why would killing someone neutral to US interests be valid in anyway? It is evident to me that beyond what you have seen in films and TV that you don't really know much about the agency. I would suggest reading something like "A legacy of Ashes" by Tom Weiner or "Inside the CIA" by Ronald Kessler for opponents and "Studies of Intelligence" or "Ending the CIA's Cold War Legacy" by Melvin A. Goodman for a proponents of the agency. Because evidently Wikepedia is not serving you well at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marharth Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 (edited) Not sure what your trying to ask me...All I am saying is that if the CIA kills someone neutral/bad to the USA that is outside/inside of the country it won't have much effect, and might have a good effect. Ok first off you do know that it is illegal for the CIA to operate inside the national boundaries much less kill someone inside the Untied States? I find it extremely droll that I am in the position of our more 'liberal' posting friends but, why would killing someone neutral to US interests be valid in anyway? It is evident to me that beyond what you have seen in films and TV that you don't really know much about the agency. I would suggest reading something like "A legacy of Ashes" by Tom Weiner or "Inside the CIA" by Ronald Kessler for opponents and "Studies of Intelligence" or "Ending the CIA's Cold War Legacy" by Melvin A. Goodman for a proponents of the agency. Because evidently Wikepedia is not serving you well at all.The killing was just a example of a bad act. I should of said what I said better, I think you thought I was referring to a real situation. I was replying to other people who were saying things about how the CIA where doing certain bad things outside of the country, acting as if just because its a bad act and they are a federal group that instantly means it hurts the USA. The CIA is supposed to gather intelligence, and that involves more actions then the stereotypical spy "break into a safe and steal it" kind of thing. I shouldn't of put the "inside/outside of the country" thing since you are right about them operating outside of the national boundaries. A lot of people are saying things about how the CIA does stuff immoral. I am not saying in any way that the CIA operates and kills people inside of the country, I am saying that just because the CIA does something immoral doesn't mean it hurts the USA. Edited February 2, 2011 by marharth Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nadimos Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 (edited) What also is kinda "funny" is iran. Iran was not always a religious nutjobs country and had once a parlament and so on, their only error being they had oil and that they did not want to give it a way for basicly free, so the cia thought, oh well lets get some religious nutjobs to the top here and you know what got out of it today. Nice cake. Can anyone top that? I dont think anyone can. :| Or Afghanistan. Same thing. Al Qaida was pebbled up by the cia and positioned against the russians in geopolitical powerplay (theres lots of ressources in afghanistan) and today? Well. Its kinda hard to tell who is who. All the while why the chinese are at it mining away. They seem to be to busy devloping their country to be bothering about any of that. Edited February 2, 2011 by Nadimos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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