NPCs Walking Into Walls

[yoyoguy678]

I have no idea what caused this, but some npcs will walk into the walls and just stay there, others will walk off of a bridge (in Anvil) and other places. What is causing this?

[Hickory]

In a word, bad path gridding. You have probably installed a mod/s that have altered areas without thought for pathgrids. Either that, or you may have a bad load order.

[yoyoguy678]

I think it might be a mod, but I'm not sure. It shouldn't be a load order problem as I am sorting it with BOSS.

 

Keep in mind that not all of these are loaded. And the ANVILISMINE mod was something I made that game the Anvil castle ownership to me.

 

Oblivion.esm

Cobl Main.esm

Mart's Monster Mod.esm

Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm

CM Partners.esm

Easy_Companion_Share.esm

HorseCombatMaster.esm

Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp

DLCShiveringIsles.esp

Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp

MMM.esp

Bedrollsanyone.esp

ClocksOfCyrodiil.esp

DaggerfallBooks.esp

Packhorses v1.esp

Reznod_Mannequin.esp

Living Economy.esp

moDem's City Life.esp

Crowded Roads 15.esp

DLCHorseArmor.esp

DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCOrrery.esp

DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCVileLair.esp

DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCMehrunesRazor.esp

DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCSpellTomes.esp

DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp

MaleBodyReplacerV3.esp

Armory of the Silver Dragon.esp

DMACArmor.esp

Lich King's Helm v1_0.esp

New Frostmourne Sword by Jojjo v1_0.esp

Sauron_Armor_Chest.esp

The Butcher.esp

Tyrael Armor.esp

Thieves Arsenal.esp

AncientTowers.esp

DLCThievesDen.esp

DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp

Cobl Glue.esp

Cobl Si.esp

Cobl Tweaks.esp

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp

OOO-Armor_Perks_WearRate_Repair.esp

OOO-BirthSigns.esp

OOO-Combat_Skills_Perks_Marksmanship.esp

OOO-Dangerous_Traps.esp

OOO-DLT_Immersion.esp

OOO-Potions.esp

OOO-ThiefGuild_Difficult.esp

Mart's Monster Mod.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp

CurseOfHircine.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Imperial Armor.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - No Spiders.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp

MMM-Cobl.esp

cyrodiil transportation network 1.3 wz.esp

AranMathi.esp

GTAesgaard.esp

GuilesHuntsmenLodge.esp

Hunter's Haven File 1.esp

HeartOftheDead.esp

Jagnot- Imperial City Library V1.3.esp

GlenvarCastle.esp

MountainTower.esp

Necromancer Shop.esp

Servant of the Dawn.esp

DBContinuedBeta 0.7.esp

The Ayleid Steps.esp

Travelers Inns.esp

VHBloodlines 1.2.esp

za_bankmod.esp

DLCBattlehornCastle.esp

BattlehornCastleEnhanced.esp

DLCfrostcrag.esp

FrostcragRebornCobl.esp

Knights.esp

Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp

TOTF.esp

RTT.esp

The Lost Spires.esp

Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp

xuldarkforest.esp

LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp

xulStendarrValley.esp

xulTheHeath.esp

XulEntiusGorge.esp

xulFallenleafEverglade.esp

LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp

xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp

xulChorrolHinterland.esp

xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp

xulBravilBarrowfields.esp

xulLushWoodlands.esp

xulAncientYews.esp

xulAncientRedwoods.esp

xulCloudtopMountains.esp

xulArriusCreek.esp

xulPatch_AY_AC.esp

HeartoftheDead-ArriusCreek patch.esp

xulRollingHills_EV.esp

xulPantherRiver.esp

xulRiverEthe.esp

xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp

xulImperialIsle.esp

xulBlackwoodForest.esp

xulCheydinhalFalls.esp

TearsOfTheFiend-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp

xulAspenWood.esp

xulSkingradOutskirts.esp

bartholm.esp

100% Harvest Chance.esp

Cliff_RiskyInnBeds.esp

DropLitTorchOBSE.esp

Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 DT.esp

Everlasting Corpses v 1.0.esp

PersuasionOverhaul.esp

Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp

Borderless_Cyrodiil-3578.esp

Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp

cidnothumpMMversion.esp

SupremeMagicka.esp

SM_ShiveringIsles.esp

SM_DLCSpellTome.esp

SM_COBL.esp

SM_Scrolls.esp

bgMagicEV_Conjuration_for_Supreme_Magicka.esp

MidasSpells.esp

Alchemical Formulas.esp

Syc_AtHomeAlchemy.esp

RenGuardOverhaul.esp

SM_DeadlyReflex.esp

Level_Rates_Modified_x2.esp

Altair_Race.esp

Assassins Creed - Altair's Gear- HeavyArmor.esp

Cobl Races.esp

Cobl Races TNR.esp

Cobl Races TNR SI.esp

bgMagicEV.esp

bgMagicItemSigil.esp

bgMagicEVStartspells.esp

bgMagicBonus.esp

bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp

bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp

bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp

cidnothump.esp

Cobl Races - Balanced.esp

HTS.esp

bgMagicEVShader.esp

bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp

bgMagicLightningbolt.esp

Get Wet.esp

Lich.esp

ardah.esp

Bow of Quel'Thalas.esp

Lucha's Blood Witch.esp

Anduril Reforged.esp

xulSnowdale.esp

xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp

DRSplatter.esp

Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp

Mounted_Spellcasting_Deadly_Reflex_Compatible.esp

DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.esp

Dark Brotherhood Armor Bounty v1.0.esp

Necromancer Guild Prequal.esp

dark & necromancer spells.esp

FrostcragReborn-Snowdale patch.esp

Necromancer Mount.esp

Reaper's The Dark Tower.esp

Reaper's Necromancer's Tower & UL Cliffs of Anvil Patch.esp

RunFatigueMod-4787.esp

Necromancers_Tome-4310.esp

Reaper's The Necromancer's Tower.esp

No_Respawn_or_Essential_NPCS-2137.esp

HTS-WithMessages.esp

ANVILISMINE.esp

[Hickory]

I think it might be a mod, but I'm not sure. It shouldn't be a load order problem as I am sorting it with BOSS.

 

Keep in mind that not all of these are loaded. And the ANVILISMINE mod was something I made that game the Anvil castle ownership to me.

 

 

 

Oblivion.esm

Cobl Main.esm

Mart's Monster Mod.esm

Mart's Monster Mod for OOO.esm

CM Partners.esm

Easy_Companion_Share.esm

HorseCombatMaster.esm

Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp

DLCShiveringIsles.esp

Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp

MMM.esp

Bedrollsanyone.esp

ClocksOfCyrodiil.esp

DaggerfallBooks.esp

Packhorses v1.esp

Reznod_Mannequin.esp

Living Economy.esp

moDem's City Life.esp

Crowded Roads 15.esp

DLCHorseArmor.esp

DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCOrrery.esp

DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCVileLair.esp

DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCMehrunesRazor.esp

DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCSpellTomes.esp

DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp

MaleBodyReplacerV3.esp

Armory of the Silver Dragon.esp

DMACArmor.esp

Lich King's Helm v1_0.esp

New Frostmourne Sword by Jojjo v1_0.esp

Sauron_Armor_Chest.esp

The Butcher.esp

Tyrael Armor.esp

Thieves Arsenal.esp

AncientTowers.esp

DLCThievesDen.esp

DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp

DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp

Cobl Glue.esp

Cobl Si.esp

Cobl Tweaks.esp

Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp

OOO-Armor_Perks_WearRate_Repair.esp

OOO-BirthSigns.esp

OOO-Combat_Skills_Perks_Marksmanship.esp

OOO-Dangerous_Traps.esp

OOO-DLT_Immersion.esp

OOO-Potions.esp

OOO-ThiefGuild_Difficult.esp

Mart's Monster Mod.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp

CurseOfHircine.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Imperial Armor.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - No Spiders.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - City Defences.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp

Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp

MMM-Cobl.esp

cyrodiil transportation network 1.3 wz.esp

AranMathi.esp

GTAesgaard.esp

GuilesHuntsmenLodge.esp

Hunter's Haven File 1.esp

HeartOftheDead.esp

Jagnot- Imperial City Library V1.3.esp

GlenvarCastle.esp

MountainTower.esp

Necromancer Shop.esp

Servant of the Dawn.esp

DBContinuedBeta 0.7.esp

The Ayleid Steps.esp

Travelers Inns.esp

VHBloodlines 1.2.esp

za_bankmod.esp

DLCBattlehornCastle.esp

BattlehornCastleEnhanced.esp

DLCfrostcrag.esp

FrostcragRebornCobl.esp

Knights.esp

Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp

TOTF.esp

RTT.esp

The Lost Spires.esp

Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp

xuldarkforest.esp

LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp

xulStendarrValley.esp

xulTheHeath.esp

XulEntiusGorge.esp

xulFallenleafEverglade.esp

LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp

xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp

xulChorrolHinterland.esp

xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp

xulBravilBarrowfields.esp

xulLushWoodlands.esp

xulAncientYews.esp

xulAncientRedwoods.esp

xulCloudtopMountains.esp

xulArriusCreek.esp

xulPatch_AY_AC.esp

HeartoftheDead-ArriusCreek patch.esp

xulRollingHills_EV.esp

xulPantherRiver.esp

xulRiverEthe.esp

xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp

xulImperialIsle.esp

xulBlackwoodForest.esp

xulCheydinhalFalls.esp

TearsOfTheFiend-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp

xulAspenWood.esp

xulSkingradOutskirts.esp

bartholm.esp

100% Harvest Chance.esp

Cliff_RiskyInnBeds.esp

DropLitTorchOBSE.esp

Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 DT.esp

Everlasting Corpses v 1.0.esp

PersuasionOverhaul.esp

Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp

Borderless_Cyrodiil-3578.esp

Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp

cidnothumpMMversion.esp

SupremeMagicka.esp

SM_ShiveringIsles.esp

SM_DLCSpellTome.esp

SM_COBL.esp

SM_Scrolls.esp

bgMagicEV_Conjuration_for_Supreme_Magicka.esp

MidasSpells.esp

Alchemical Formulas.esp

Syc_AtHomeAlchemy.esp

RenGuardOverhaul.esp

SM_DeadlyReflex.esp

Level_Rates_Modified_x2.esp

Altair_Race.esp

Assassins Creed - Altair's Gear- HeavyArmor.esp

Cobl Races.esp

Cobl Races TNR.esp

Cobl Races TNR SI.esp

bgMagicEV.esp

bgMagicItemSigil.esp

bgMagicEVStartspells.esp

bgMagicBonus.esp

bgMagicEVAddEnVar.esp

bgMagicEVPaperChase.esp

bgMagicPotionNumberSoulGemValue.esp

cidnothump.esp

Cobl Races - Balanced.esp

HTS.esp

bgMagicEVShader.esp

bgMagicShaderLifeDetect.esp

bgMagicLightningbolt.esp

Get Wet.esp

Lich.esp

ardah.esp

Bow of Quel'Thalas.esp

Lucha's Blood Witch.esp

Anduril Reforged.esp

xulSnowdale.esp

xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp

DRSplatter.esp

Deadly Reflex 6 - Timed Block with no damage or durability changes.esp

Mounted_Spellcasting_Deadly_Reflex_Compatible.esp

DeadlyReflex 6 - Combat Moves.esp

Dark Brotherhood Armor Bounty v1.0.esp

Necromancer Guild Prequal.esp

dark & necromancer spells.esp

FrostcragReborn-Snowdale patch.esp

Necromancer Mount.esp

Reaper's The Dark Tower.esp

Reaper's Necromancer's Tower & UL Cliffs of Anvil Patch.esp

RunFatigueMod-4787.esp

Necromancers_Tome-4310.esp

Reaper's The Necromancer's Tower.esp

No_Respawn_or_Essential_NPCS-2137.esp

HTS-WithMessages.esp

ANVILISMINE.esp

 

 

 

*** load list placed into spoiler tags ***

 

First off, your load list is STILL wrong, even though you are using BOSS. You must have an outdated version of the masterlist or BOSS, or you have lock times set in Wrye Bash (though I don't see a Bashed Patch), or you are using OBMM at the same time as Wrye Bash. You are also using a very outdated version of OOO, since you have no OOO esm.

 

But more to the point:

"others will walk off of a bridge (in Anvil)"

ANVILISMINE.esp

"And the ANVILISMINE mod was something I made that game the Anvil castle ownership to me."

 

I think we've found your problem. It looks like you have messed up the pathgridding, or more correctly have not edited it to conform with your mod, which loads last.

[yoyoguy678]

The NPCs were walking off of the bridge in anvil long before I made that mod, so it shouldn't make a difference.

[Hickory]

The NPCs were walking off of the bridge in anvil long before I made that mod, so it shouldn't make a difference.

 

And now you mention this? Well, something has disrupted the pathgrids to make NPCs walk off bridges and into walls. Perhaps you should pay attention to your bad load order, then.

[knightofyourlife]

The NPCs were walking off of the bridge in anvil long before I made that mod, so it shouldn't make a difference.

I Think Hichory has a point about Pathgrids and that got me thinking what could be the cause of that. If it is happening in more than one place may be it is a pathgrid issue but non localised

EG the problem is an NPC scripting one. Looking at the mods you have I can see at least two global N.P.C mods Everlasting corpses and no respawn or essential NPC's.

Is it possible that you to have an N.P.C scripting confliction. I have tryed a lot of mods and found many conflict with each other especially global N.P.C's mods

I would sergest that you in tern switch them on and off with each other in different combernations to rule this out as a possibility.

I do not know if hichory is right about your load order I just use the most up to date Boss list. but you do still have to change stuff if you are making your own mods because untill boss have a look at it, It is unlikly to ever be in the right place. but you had this problem before your own mod, so I think your right that it is not that. My gut feeling is that it may be many facters. If it is three or more mods adding to the same issue I have found that harder to track down. you have a lot of mods so you have a lot of sifting through.

I wish you luck and I hope my 2 pennys worth is of some help.

 

Knightofyourlife

[yoyoguy678]

I'll be darned, your right. I turned off the NPC essential mod and Armand finally figured out how to walk around that house. Thanks man!

[yoyoguy678]

The only other problem I'm having is that I can't find OOO update for 3.3. I have 3.1 but the only link on his website that has the update is the one where you have to pay for a subscription to download it. And shouldn't 3.1 come with an ESM file?

[Hickory]

The only other problem I'm having is that I can't find OOO update for 3.3. I have 3.1 but the only link on his website that has the update is the one where you have to pay for a subscription to download it. And shouldn't 3.1 come with an ESM file?

 

All of your OOO needs are here.