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chaospearl

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Yes, I've done it again.

 

Just started a brand new game and within an hour I already have issues. I started in Anvil, joined the Fighter's Guild, went to do the first quest with Arvena Thelas and her rats. Problem: I can't get into her house. Whenever I try to go through the door, the loading screen pops up as usual, but when it ends, the game just freezes and goes black. No other buildings in Anvil have this issue, only Arvena's house. I tried using coc via the console and it does the same thing: I get a loading screen, then it fades to black and the game hangs indefinitely.

 

The odd thing here is that I know it's being caused by a mod that requires OBSE to run. Reason I know is because I accidentally started up the game from within Wrye Bash, once -- I thought Wb automatically used OBSE loader the way OBMM does, but apparently not, because the game loaded without OBSE and I got a few COBL error messages to that effect. I was about to quit out of the game and re-start using OBSE but since I was standing right in front of the door I decided to try one last time and go into Arvena's house. Guess what? I made it in with no problems.

 

I went back outside and inside again a few times to make sure I wasn't dreaming. Then saved, quit the game and re-started using OBSE again. Same problem; once again I got the game freeze when trying to enter that house.

 

What the hell is going on here? Does anyone know of a mod that might be causing this, one that apparently only fires itself up when OBSE is present?

 

Edit: Whatever it is, it apparently really really does not want me to do the rat quest. I tried starting the game without OBSE, going into Arvena's house and talking to her, then killing the lion in the basement, exiting her house, and saving my game. When I restart the game with OBSE as normal and try to load that save, the game loads up fine and works for about 5 - 10 seconds before suddenly freezing up completely and hanging with the music still playing but the controls unresponsive. I have to ctrl-alt-del to get out of it.

 

Saves from before I went into the house have no problems, OBSE or no OBSE, either way. If I start the game with no OBSE, save without going into the house, then re-load with OBSE, it works fine. I only get the freeze and crash if I try to load a save where I've been into the house and back out again. WTF?

 

Load Order:

 

Active Mod Files:
00  Oblivion.esm
01  Jog_X_Mod.esm
02  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 1.0]
03  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]
04  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]
05  Francesco's Optional New Creatures Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]
06  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]
07  Qarls_Harvest.esm
08  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]
09  CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm
0A  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]
0B  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
0C  Better Cities Resources.esm  [Version 4.8.3]
0D  BetterMusicSystem.esm
0E  bookplacing.esm  [Version 1]
0F  CURP_Controller.esm
10  CM Partners.esm
11  StarX Vampire Deaths.esm
**  Cobl Races TNR.esp  [Version 1.53]
**  Cobl Races TNR SI.esp  [Version 1.53]
12  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.3.3]
13  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
14  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
15  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]
16  Better Cities .esp
17  Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
18  All Natural.esp  [Version 1.1]
19  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 1.0]
1A  Enhanced Water v2.0 HDMI.esp
++  Enhanced Water v2.0 HD - SI Addon.esp  [Version 0.1]
1B  Storms & Sound.esp
1C  Rainbows.esp
1D  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 1.1]
1E  WindowLightingSystem.esp
1F  36Sermons-Miltiades.esp
20  AliveWaters.esp
21  Book Jackets Oblivion - BP.esp
22  bnmDLTIC-1-6.esp  [Version 1.6]
23  ClocksOfCyrodiil.esp
24  ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp
25  DID3_DoubleTrouble.esp
26  Inebriation.esp
++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.76]
27  BetterMusicSystem(SI).esp  [Version 1.0]
28  Oblivion Collectible Cards.esp
29  P1DseeYouSleep.esp
2A  Portable Campsite - Quickstart.esp
2B  Qarls_Harvest.esp
2C  RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.5]
2D  SoT_Holiday.esp
2E  Crowded Roads Revisited.esp  [Version 1.1]
2F  FF_Real_Thirst.esp
30  DarNifiedUI Config Addon.esp
31  kuerteeSittableRocks.esp
32  Streamline 3.1.esp
33  Map Marker Overhaul.esp  [Version 3.8]
34  Map Marker Overhaul - SI additions.esp  [Version 3.5]
35  Expanded Hotkeys and Spell Delete V2a.esp
36  DLCHorseArmor.esp
37  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]
38  DLCOrrery.esp
39  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
3A  DLCVileLair.esp
3B  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.6]
3C  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
3D  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
3E  DLCSpellTomes.esp
++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
++  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp
3F  Classic Books.esp
++  CM_Better Wine.esp
40  Chess Set Complete.esp
41  Dollparts_CorsetsoftheRose.esp
42  FemaleSweaterMod.esp
43  JQ-Amulets.esp
44  Kafei's Circlets Reforged.esp
45  ORM -Travelers' Cloaks.esp
++  RustyItems.esp
46  Scarves!.esp
47  StockClothingArmor-forExnems.esp
48  Mounted_Spellcasting.esp
++  Ride_Wild_Horses_2.0.esp
49  DLCThievesDen.esp
4A  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.7]
++  Francesco's Optional Vendor Tweaks.esp
4B  Francesco's Optional Leveled Quests.esp
4C  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]
4D  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]
4E  FF_Real_Thirst, Cobl.esp
++  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.44]
4F  Harvest[Containers].esp
50  Harvest[Containers] - Player Home Add-on.esp
51  Harvest[Containers] - Flat-Top Barrels Add-on.esp
52  Mart's Monster Mod for Fran.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
53  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Imperial Armor.esp  [Version 3.7b3p]
54  Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
55  Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
56  Mart's Monster Mod - Fran's leveled quests.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Reavers.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Roads.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Blood.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Slimes.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Lanterns.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Spawn Rates - Reduced Reduced.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
57  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
58  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
59  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
5A  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
5B  TamrielTravellers4MMM.esp  [Version 1.39c]
5C  TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp  [Version 1.39c]
5D  ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp  [Version 1.39c]
++  ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions4MMM.esp  [Version 1.39c]
++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]
5E  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4MMM.esp
5F  Castle Ravenpride.esp  [Version 1.01]
60  Adult_BookStore.esp
61  Anduril Reforged.esp
62  BHC_Expanded.esp  [Version 1.2]
63  HackdirtTheDeepOnes.esp
++  DBQ-AKnifeInTheDark_delayed.esp
64  DexwoodsHideout.esp
65  FuseSnailRacing.esp
66  JolardHome.esp  [Version 4.7.0]
67  JSRandomTasks.esp  [Version 1.1a]
68  Kragenir's Death Quest.esp
69  KDQ - Rural Line Additions.esp
6A  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
6B  Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp
6C  EiAmod.esp  [Version 1.1]
++  EiAmod_ShiveringIsles.esp
6D  OldCrowInn.esp  [Version 1.5]
6E  LetThePeopleDrink.esp  [Version 2.5]
6F  KragenirsDeathQuest-LetThePeopleDrink patch.esp
70  Mimics!.esp
71  Malevolent.esp
72  Pinevale.esp
73  The Ayleid Steps.esp  [Version 3.3]
74  eyja.esp
75  TheElderCouncil.esp
76  TEC_4ERA_Dialog_Filter.esp
77  thievery.esp
78  VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp
79  VHBloodlines 1.2.esp  [Version 1.5.1]
7A  WaterFallCave.esp
7B  WOTFH_1.3.esp
7C  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
7D  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
7E  DLCFrostcrag.esp
7F  DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
80  Knights.esp
81  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.1]
82  SM Plugin Refurbish(Merged).esp  [Version 1.30]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Knights.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
83  TOTF.esp
84  TOTF-EiAE Patch.esp
++  TOTF Delayer.esp
85  The Lost Spires.esp
86  Blood&Mud.esp
87  Origin of the Mages Guild.esp  [Version 7.1]
88  AFK_Weye.esp  [Version 2.2.COBL]
89  road+bridges.esp  [Version 4.6]
8A  Feldscar.esp  [Version 1.0.6]
8B  Vergayun.esp  [Version 1.0.6]
8C  Faregyl.esp  [Version 1.0.10]
8D  Molapi.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
8E  PTMudwater.esp
8F  HeartOftheDead.esp  [Version 6.5]
90  xuldarkforest.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
91  LostSpires-DarkForest patch.esp
92  xulStendarrValley.esp  [Version 1.2.2]
93  xulTheHeath.esp
94  MMMMWL-TheHeath patch.esp
95  XulEntiusGorge.esp
96  xulFallenleafEverglade.esp  [Version 1.3.1]
97  LostSpires-Everglade patch.esp  [Version 1.2]
98  TheElderCouncil-FallenleafEverglade patch.esp  [Version 1.2]
99  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]
9A  xulChorrolHinterland.esp  [Version 1.2.2]
9B  xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp  [Version 1.6.4]
9C  KragenirsDeathQuest-LostCoast patch.esp
9D  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]
9E  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3.1]
9F  xulAncientYews.esp  [Version 1.4.3]
A0  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]
A1  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]
A2  KragenirsDeathQuest-CloudtopMountains patch.esp
A3  Mimics-CloudtopMountains patch.esp
A4  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]
A5  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]
A6  HeartoftheDead-ArriusCreek patch.esp
A7  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.3]
A8  MMMMWL-RollingHills patch.esp
A9  KragenirsDeathQuest-RollingHills patch.esp
AA  xulPantherRiver.esp
AB  Blood&Mud-PantherRiver patch.esp
AC  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]
AD  xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp  [Version 1.1]
AE  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.6]
AF  xulBlackwoodForest.esp  [Version 1.1.0]
B0  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
B1  Blood&Mud-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
B2  TearsOfTheFiend-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
B3  KvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
B4  CastleRavenpride-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
B5  xulAspenWood.esp  [Version 1.0.2]
B6  xulSkingradOutskirts.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
B7  xulSnowdale.esp  [Version 1.0.2]
B8  Feldscar+Snowdale Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]
B9  xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp
BA  NRB4+UL-II+LtPD Patch.esp  [Version 3.0.1]
BB  EtInArkay-UniqueLandscapes Merged patch.esp
BC  West Roads.esp
BD  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]
++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
BE  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
BF  Bag of Holding.esp  [Version 1.5.0]
C0  Happyhannah's Time Wasting.esp  [Version 1.0]
C1  Cliff_BetterLetters.esp  [Version 1.2]
C2  DS Storage Sacks.esp  [Version 1.21]
C3  Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 CT.esp
C4  Exterior Actors Have Torches 1.3 CT.esp
C5  gardening.esp
C6  Kyoma's Journal Mod.esp  [Version 3.2.1]
C7  NirnrootPermPotions.esp
C8  kuerteeGoldIsAnInventoryItem.esp
C9  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]
CA  Enhanced Vegetation [125%].esp
CB  Storms & Sound - AFK_Weye.esp
CC  Storms & Sound - Blood&Mud.esp
CD  Storms & Sound - The Lost Spires.esp
CE  Storms & Sound - Better Cities.esp
CF  StarX Vampire Deaths.esp
D0  Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp
D1  Natural Hunger v2_1 by QF.esp
D2  RealSleepExtended.esp  [Version 2.5]
D3  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.88]
D4  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.86]
++  SM_DLCSpellTome.esp  [Version 0.80]
++  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.82]
++  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.86]
++  SM_AbsorbRestoration.esp  [Version 0.80]
++  SM_EnableCharmChameleon.esp  [Version 0.80]
++  SM_EnableRestoreEnchanting.esp  [Version 0.80]
D5  SM_EnchantStaff.esp  [Version 0.80]
++  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.84]
++  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.83]
D6  AudaciousMagery.esp
D7  Vector.esp  [Version 0.3]
D8  Poison Arrows.esp
D9  StolenItemOwnership.esp
DA  Kobu's Character Advancement System.esp
DB  Kobu's 2x Slower Skills Mod.esp
DC  immersive_caves_manual.esp
**  Dark Dungeons -  SI.esp  [Version 1.0]
++  Item interchange - Placement.esp  [Version 0.76]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
DD  CM Partners.esp
DE  Cobl Races.esp  [Version 1.52]
++  Cobl Races - Balanced.esp  [Version 1.52]
DF  hrOscarWiener.esp
E0  Better Cities Full - B&M Edition.esp  [Version 4.8.3]
E1  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp  [Version 4.7.0]
E2  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp  [Version 4.7.0]
E3  Better Cities - Tears of the Fiend.esp  [Version 4.7.0]
E4  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp  [Version 4.8.1]
E5  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp  [Version 4.8.1]
E6  Better Cities - Thievery.esp  [Version 4.8.0]
E7  Better Cities - VHBloodlines.esp  [Version 4.7.0]
E8  Better Cities Full - B&M Edition FPS Patch.esp  [Version 4.81]
E9  Better Imperial City.esp  [Version 4.8.1]
**  Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp  [Version 4.8.1]
EA  Better Imperial City - OMG.esp  [Version 4.7.0]
EB  Better Cities - The Lost Spires.esp  [Version 4.7.0]
EC  Better Cities - Old Crow Inn.esp  [Version 4.7.0]
ED  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2.1]
EE  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp  [Version 4.8.1]
EF  Better Cities - Oblivion Collectible Cards.esp  [Version 4.8.0]
F0  NoMerchantBarterChatter.esp
**  NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp
++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]
F1  Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp  [Version 01]
**  All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp  [Version 1.1]
F2  Cyrodiil Inns.esp
F3  NoLoadMessage_v1.0-RSS.esp
F4  Jewelry Names.esp
F5  Legion Horses.esp
F6  Ayelid Wells.esp
F7  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

 

 

Edit the Second: I have a free day, so what the hell. I'm slowly going through my mod list and completely uninstalling mods that require OBSE, one at a time, then testing to see if I can get into the house. It's a slow process because it takes 12 minutes to rebuild my bashed patch after each uninstall, plus these mods are complicated by nature and some of them require a lot more effort than just unchecking the box in order to totally uninstall it without leaving remnants. Ah well.

 

So far I can confirm that it is NOT All Natural, Storms & Sound, or RefScope. I'll continue updating my post as I eliminate possible culprits. Maybe sometime next week I'll have narrowed it down to one!

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Rather than going through all of your mods first, you should remove all OBSE plugins first, in case it's one of those -- and there are nowhere near as many.
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Rather than going through all of your mods first, you should remove all OBSE plugins first, in case it's one of those -- and there are nowhere near as many.

 

OBSE plugins... huh, didn't think of that. Thankfully I only have four of those, the two that are required for Better Music System, plus Fast Exit2 and OSR. I'll go try removing them and see if it helps. Thanks.

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These are the mods that I do not run and I do not have your problem with the rat lady's house.

 

Personally, I would start my testing by removing "B9 xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp". I did try out the mod but removed it because of bugs and what appeared to be dirty edits.

 

 

Mod List:

 

Active Mod Files:
03  Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]
04  Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]
05  Francesco's Optional New Creatures Add-On.esm  [Version 4.5bSI]
07  Qarls_Harvest.esm
08  Mart's Monster Mod.esm  [Version 3.7b3p3]
09  CyrodiilUpgradeResourcePack.esm
0A  TamrielTravellers.esm  [Version 1.39c]
0C  Better Cities Resources.esm  [Version 4.8.3]
0F  CURP_Controller.esm
11  StarX Vampire Deaths.esm
**  Cobl Races TNR.esp  [Version 1.53]
**  Cobl Races TNR SI.esp  [Version 1.53]
16  Better Cities .esp
1F  36Sermons-Miltiades.esp
22  bnmDLTIC-1-6.esp  [Version 1.6]
23  ClocksOfCyrodiil.esp
24  ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp
25  DID3_DoubleTrouble.esp
26  Inebriation.esp
++  Item interchange - Extraction.esp  [Version 0.76]
2A  Portable Campsite - Quickstart.esp
2B  Qarls_Harvest.esp
2C  RAEVWD New Sheoth.esp  [Version 1.5]
2D  SoT_Holiday.esp
2E  Crowded Roads Revisited.esp  [Version 1.1]
2F  FF_Real_Thirst.esp
30  DarNifiedUI Config Addon.esp
31  kuerteeSittableRocks.esp
3F  Classic Books.esp
40  Chess Set Complete.esp
41  Dollparts_CorsetsoftheRose.esp
42  FemaleSweaterMod.esp
45  ORM -Travelers' Cloaks.esp
++  RustyItems.esp
46  Scarves!.esp
47  StockClothingArmor-forExnems.esp
48  Mounted_Spellcasting.esp
++  Ride_Wild_Horses_2.0.esp
++  Francesco's Optional Vendor Tweaks.esp
4B  Francesco's Optional Leveled Quests.esp
4E  FF_Real_Thirst, Cobl.esp
4F  Harvest[Containers].esp
50  Harvest[Containers] - Player Home Add-on.esp
51  Harvest[Containers] - Flat-Top Barrels Add-on.esp
52  Mart's Monster Mod for Fran.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
53  Mart's Monster Mod - Additional Enemy NPC Vars.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Imperial Armor.esp  [Version 3.7b3p]
54  Mart's Monster Mod - Gems & Gem Dust.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
55  Mart's Monster Mod - Zombies for Body Meshes.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
56  Mart's Monster Mod - Fran's leveled quests.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Bone Loot.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Less Reavers.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Roads.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Blood.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Slimes.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - No Lanterns.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Spawn Rates - Reduced Reduced.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
57  Mart's Monster Mod - Safer Quest Locations.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
58  Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
59  Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
5A  Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3f]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Slof Horses Complete.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
5B  TamrielTravellers4MMM.esp  [Version 1.39c]
5C  TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp  [Version 1.39c]
5D  ShiveringIsleTravellers.esp  [Version 1.39c]
++  ShiveringIsleTravellersFriendlyFactions4MMM.esp  [Version 1.39c]
++  MMM-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.69]
5E  EVE_StockEquipmentReplacer4MMM.esp
60  Adult_BookStore.esp
61  Anduril Reforged.esp
62  BHC_Expanded.esp  [Version 1.2]
++  DBQ-AKnifeInTheDark_delayed.esp
64  DexwoodsHideout.esp
65  FuseSnailRacing.esp
66  JolardHome.esp  [Version 4.7.0]
6C  EiAmod.esp  [Version 1.1]
++  EiAmod_ShiveringIsles.esp
6E  LetThePeopleDrink.esp  [Version 2.5]
6F  KragenirsDeathQuest-LetThePeopleDrink patch.esp
70  Mimics!.esp
71  Malevolent.esp
72  Pinevale.esp
74  eyja.esp
75  TheElderCouncil.esp
76  TEC_4ERA_Dialog_Filter.esp
78  VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp
79  VHBloodlines 1.2.esp  [Version 1.5.1]
7A  WaterFallCave.esp
7B  WOTFH_1.3.esp
7C  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
7D  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Knights.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
83  TOTF.esp
84  TOTF-EiAE Patch.esp
++  TOTF Delayer.esp
86  Blood&Mud.esp
87  Origin of the Mages Guild.esp  [Version 7.1]
8A  Feldscar.esp  [Version 1.0.6]
8B  Vergayun.esp  [Version 1.0.6]
8C  Faregyl.esp  [Version 1.0.10]
8D  Molapi.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
8F  HeartOftheDead.esp  [Version 6.5]
94  MMMMWL-TheHeath patch.esp
98  TheElderCouncil-FallenleafEverglade patch.esp  [Version 1.2]
A3  Mimics-CloudtopMountains patch.esp
A6  HeartoftheDead-ArriusCreek patch.esp
A8  MMMMWL-RollingHills patch.esp
AB  Blood&Mud-PantherRiver patch.esp
B1  Blood&Mud-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
B2  TearsOfTheFiend-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
B8  Feldscar+Snowdale Patch.esp  [Version 1.0]
B9  xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp
BA  NRB4+UL-II+LtPD Patch.esp  [Version 3.0.1]
BB  EtInArkay-UniqueLandscapes Merged patch.esp
BC  West Roads.esp
BD  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]
++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
BE  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
BF  Bag of Holding.esp  [Version 1.5.0]
C0  Happyhannah's Time Wasting.esp  [Version 1.0]
C2  DS Storage Sacks.esp  [Version 1.21]
C3  Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 CT.esp
C4  Exterior Actors Have Torches 1.3 CT.esp
C5  gardening.esp
C7  NirnrootPermPotions.esp
C8  kuerteeGoldIsAnInventoryItem.esp
C9  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]
CC  Storms & Sound - Blood&Mud.esp
CE  Storms & Sound - Better Cities.esp
CF  StarX Vampire Deaths.esp
D0  Alternative Start by Robert Evrae.esp
D1  Natural Hunger v2_1 by QF.esp
D2  RealSleepExtended.esp  [Version 2.5]
D3  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.88]
D4  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.86]
++  SM_DLCSpellTome.esp  [Version 0.80]
++  SM_MMM.esp  [Version 0.82]
++  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.86]
++  SM_AbsorbRestoration.esp  [Version 0.80]
++  SM_EnableCharmChameleon.esp  [Version 0.80]
++  SM_EnableRestoreEnchanting.esp  [Version 0.80]
D5  SM_EnchantStaff.esp  [Version 0.80]
++  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.84]
++  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.83]
D6  AudaciousMagery.esp
D7  Vector.esp  [Version 0.3]
D8  Poison Arrows.esp
D9  StolenItemOwnership.esp
DA  Kobu's Character Advancement System.esp
DB  Kobu's 2x Slower Skills Mod.esp
DC  immersive_caves_manual.esp
**  Dark Dungeons -  SI.esp  [Version 1.0]
++  Item interchange - Placement.esp  [Version 0.76]
++  Mart's Monster Mod - Resized Races.esp  [Version 3.7b3p3]
DD  CM Partners.esp
DE  Cobl Races.esp  [Version 1.52]
++  Cobl Races - Balanced.esp  [Version 1.52]
DF  hrOscarWiener.esp
E0  Better Cities Full - B&M Edition.esp  [Version 4.8.3]
E1  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp  [Version 4.7.0]
E2  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp  [Version 4.7.0]
E3  Better Cities - Tears of the Fiend.esp  [Version 4.7.0]
E4  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp  [Version 4.8.1]
E5  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp  [Version 4.8.1]
E6  Better Cities - Thievery.esp  [Version 4.8.0]
E7  Better Cities - VHBloodlines.esp  [Version 4.7.0]
E8  Better Cities Full - B&M Edition FPS Patch.esp  [Version 4.81]
E9  Better Imperial City.esp  [Version 4.8.1]
**  Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp  [Version 4.8.1]
EA  Better Imperial City - OMG.esp  [Version 4.7.0]
EB  Better Cities - The Lost Spires.esp  [Version 4.7.0]
EC  Better Cities - Old Crow Inn.esp  [Version 4.7.0]
ED  Better Cities - COBL.esp  [Version 2.1]
EE  Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp  [Version 4.8.1]
EF  Better Cities - Oblivion Collectible Cards.esp  [Version 4.8.0]
F0  NoMerchantBarterChatter.esp
**  NRB4 Standard Road Record.esp
++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]
F2  Cyrodiil Inns.esp
F3  NoLoadMessage_v1.0-RSS.esp
F4  Jewelry Names.esp
F5  Legion Horses.esp
F6  Ayelid Wells.esp
F7  Bashed Patch, 0.esp

 

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Unique Landscapes aren't OBSE-dependent, though. I do appreciate the help.

 

It turned out that the problem is COBL. Specifically, it's something to do with COBL main and not one of the optional plugins. I'm not sure what the hell, but given that thousands of other COBL users don't have this problem, I'm going to just re-download a fresh copy of the mod and totally reinstall from scratch, and hopefully that'll do it.

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Unique Landscapes aren't OBSE-dependent, though. I do appreciate the help.

 

It turned out that the problem is COBL. Specifically, it's something to do with COBL main and not one of the optional plugins. I'm not sure what the hell, but given that thousands of other COBL users don't have this problem, I'm going to just re-download a fresh copy of the mod and totally reinstall from scratch, and hopefully that'll do it.

 

Cobl is not OBSE dependent either.

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Cobl is not OBSE dependent either.

 

Not entirely, but some of its functions definitely do depend on OBSE. The only reason I first realized that I'd accidentally started up the game without OBSE was because immediately upon load, a bunch of COBL error messages popped up to inform me that this and that and the other thing were now disabled due to lack of OBSE.

 

I'm not sure what was causing the original problem, but I figured it had to be some kind of weird fluke since I know nobody else using COBL has encountered this issue. When you run 300+ mods in a single game, you start getting used to weird flukes from time to time, heh.

 

Whatever it was, I managed to get rid of it by doing a total uninstall of everything COBL-related and COBL-dependent, a clean save, and a reinstall of the mods. I didn't add or remove any mods at all -- just the squeaky clean reinstall -- and now I can get right into Arvena's house without problem. Go figure.

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