Adding Mods, I'm missing information

[whalecakes]

I did not get any sleep at all last night; excuse me if I sounded aggressive.

I am not spreading falsities of any kind. BAIN is terrible for the reasons I described: excessive load times and crash-if-you-have-any-unicode-filenames. You can have the most amazing car in the world, capable of doing anything at all, but if it takes 5+ minutes to start up and occasionally explodes when doing so, it will still be terrible. Such is the case with BAIN. I am unsure why it scans all the files instead of only the ones the BAIN packages use, but that's a different matter altogether.

I made no mention of the features of either, which are irrelevant in this case anyways as the topic creator is only just starting to add mods and has no experience with any of this. You are essentially advertising a motorcycle to someone who is still learning to ride a bike. With this in mind, OMODs are the better choice as they require little more than a click to set up.

These are not opinions or biased or skewed; they are fact. I am not touting features or spreading incorrect information. Everything I have said you yourselves have confirmed.

I have no idea why you're all so worked up about this. You are downplaying the negatives and generally doing everything you are accusing me of. You're like console fanboys or something.

 

Personally, I dislike them both. OBMM and BAIN are a pain in the ass to use and I can accomplish the same thing much faster and easier manually. That is my personal preference and opinion. My disliking BAIN does not make it take longer to start up or cause it to crash. My disliking OMODs does not make OBMM hang or cause it to screw up my load order.

These things can and do happen regardless of what you or I or Daniel prefer to use and your ridiculous argument has completely derailed the topic.

[Smooth613]

Some stuff...

 

Your analogies are poor. Your insults regarding fanboys are ridiculous and uncalled for. You're also being very narrow minded. You're blasting a utility due to one single drawback, Unicode errors. When in every other way imaginable the utility is vastly superior to any other method. I say one, because as previously mentioned, load times are dependent on other factors and can be skewed. If you're going to just label a utilty, or hell anything, as terrible or however else you want to word it due to one single drawback, then you might as well say everything we own, cars, phones, toasters, PCs, whatever, are all terrible. Because everything has at least one drawback, that's just reality.

 

I've used OBMM and OMOD installations before, until I realised just how simple and how poor the method really is when it comes to a proper and conflict free, or minimal conflicts, and stable installation. See, I'm a realist, and the reality of this is for Oblivion modding, Wrye Bash and a BAIN installation is the superior method, hands down. It's not even close enough to call a competition. If choosing the best method, or product, means you're a fanboy then chalk me up as one. But that's hardly what the lingo term fanboy means, we all know that.

 

Here's an analogy that I think is comparable... You are an avid FPS gamer and you have the option to buy a standard off-brand wireless mouse, or a Razor Mamba wireless mouse. Clearly you'd want the Mamba if you wanted to get the best results considering it's advantages and features. Yes they're both mice. Yes they effectively do the same thing, point and click, but one clearly does it better. The Razor Mamba. Now only a fanboy of the off-brand wireless mouse would argue otherwise, since it's clearly the inferior product.

 

The OP was asking about said utilities so I only see it as fair that they get more information than just, "Oh, it's terrible, it might crash in very certain situations". So I stated some benefits about features, which is what you need when installing mods for Oblivion, especially when it comes to resource overlaps. Well if you care about stability and conflict resolution that is. BAIN is the only tool out there that can properly, and efficiently, handle overlaps without manually inspecting each and every ESP in TES4Edit, or examining each and every .nif or .dds file. Which number in the tens of thousands when it comes to Oblivion.

 

One last thing, and I'm done with this dead horse topic. Again, you're only reasoning for advising someone to use OBMM and OMODs is ease of use. Queue broken record,... Easier does not mean better.

 

OP if you want the better tool for modding Oblivion when it comes to compatibility, conflict resolution and avoidance, multitude of features, save game bloat repair, A-bomb repair, and much much more, choose the better utility. By doing a little research it will be clear which utility is the superior one. By research I don't mean read the endorsement threads for one-liner comments. Read documentation and guides, and even test both out. It's better to learn this stuff now than 100 hours into your game and realize you need something and don't have it.

[Hickory]

I'm not just making things up here and I'm not saying things without good reason.

Yes, you are. And yes, you are.

 

All that aside, what is 'scare mongering' supposed to be and to what purpose would I have to be doing it?

What could I possibly gain from other people not using these methods?

 

It seems obvious: you don't like Wrye Bash because it takes a long time on your system, and you use Unicode, which Wrye Bash was not designed to use, ergo you are vehemently, and with no good reason, advising others to avoid it at all costs.

 

I repeat: that is scaremongering nonsense.

[whalecakes]

Way to completely and utterly miss the entire point, guys.

 

@DanielLINY

I'm sorry it ended up this way. I had no idea this kind of nonsense would happen.

 

@Console Fanboys

Sorry if I insulted you by comparing these people to you.

 

 

Have a nice day.

[Hickory]

these people

 

The cry of a bigot.

[Hemingwey]

IMHO, for experienced mod users who want to easily and efficiently build and rebuild (and rebuild) compatible, stable games using scores or hundreds of mods:

 

BAIN > Manual Installation > OBMM.

 

For inexperienced mod users who are just getting their proverbial feet wet:

 

OBMM > Manual Installation > BAIN (solely because OBMM is simpler to use and automates installation -- at least for OBMM compatible mods)

 

However, once you learn to use BAIN properly, there is simply no comparison -- it is the premier Oblivion mod installer. No more fresh installs needed because you have somehow managed to install/overwrite numerous conflicting resources, etc., etc.

 

I only recently began using BAIN. Now I convert all my mods, except for the UL patch compilation OMOD (though I am thinking of writing a BAIN wizard for it :teehee:), to BAIN ready archives. BAIN is just that much better than manual and OBMM installation and is worth the extra effort -- at the end of the day the extra front end work saves hours upon hours of frustration and mysterious conflict detection and resolution. Using BAIN you can easily identify and resolve resource conflicts...'with a few clicks of the mouse.' :tongue:

 

Regards,

 

Hem

[whalecakes]

I guess I just have too much junk installed for BAIN to be practical for me.

Let's see...

http://i52.tinypic.com/1538ojm.png

...yeaaaaaah.

[Hickory]

Not so out of the ordinary -- and BAIN is practical for me.

 

http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/4111/obliviondatafolder.jpg

[whalecakes]

Two minutes of loading and it hits '????.nif' and dies :/

That is a full two minutes longer than my attention span, I give up on this.

[Smooth613]

Something I find interesting about the above two pics is, despite nearly the same amount of disk space taken up, whalecakes has 3000 more folders than Hickory. So I took a look at my folder, even though I have, in comparison, only 17 gigs of used space I still have right around 3000, 2986, total folders, similar to Hickory's result. I'm curious as to how whalecakes managed to double that. Hmm, seems odd to me for that much variance.