Fatalmasterpiece Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 I have one argument for those who choose the more antiquated, heavy handed methods. If they were so just and worked so well, why did they die out? The fact is, people are like sand, and the tighter you squeeze them, the quicker they slip through your fingers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpellAndShield Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Amputation and Decapitation. This has the same problem as the death penalty. What happens when someone is wrongly convicted? you can't really sow their appendages back on and send them on their merry way. I think we clearly need to reinstate (with improvements) the Code of Hammurabi. We need to return to our roots. How would you address the danger of killing or mutilating an innocent man/woman? Think what it would be like of if was you or a member of your family wrongly convicted, it matters not how great forensic science becomes there will always be humans involved in the process somewhere and humans tend to make mistakes every now and again. Sorry, I thought most people here would have detected the black humour there; of course I do not favour the Code of Hammurabi. I probably would side with liberals (though I am not a liberal myself) in terms of criminal punishment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marharth Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Amputation and Decapitation. This has the same problem as the death penalty. What happens when someone is wrongly convicted? you can't really sow their appendages back on and send them on their merry way. I think we clearly need to reinstate (with improvements) the Code of Hammurabi. We need to return to our roots. How would you address the danger of killing or mutilating an innocent man/woman? Think what it would be like of if was you or a member of your family wrongly convicted, it matters not how great forensic science becomes there will always be humans involved in the process somewhere and humans tend to make mistakes every now and again. Sorry, I thought most people here would have detected the black humour there; of course I do not favour the Code of Hammurabi. I probably would side with liberals (though I am not a liberal myself) in terms of criminal punishment.What do you mean by liberals? I am a liberal myself but my prison system is way far to the left of the US democrats. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JimboUK Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Amputation and Decapitation. This has the same problem as the death penalty. What happens when someone is wrongly convicted? you can't really sow their appendages back on and send them on their merry way. I think we clearly need to reinstate (with improvements) the Code of Hammurabi. We need to return to our roots. How would you address the danger of killing or mutilating an innocent man/woman? Think what it would be like of if was you or a member of your family wrongly convicted, it matters not how great forensic science becomes there will always be humans involved in the process somewhere and humans tend to make mistakes every now and again. Sorry, I thought most people here would have detected the black humour there; of course I do not favour the Code of Hammurabi. I probably would side with liberals (though I am not a liberal myself) in terms of criminal punishment. My apologies, when it comes to crime and punishment it's not easy to tell those who are joking from those who are not, the hang 'em and flog 'em brigade are not small in number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpellAndShield Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 Amputation and Decapitation. This has the same problem as the death penalty. What happens when someone is wrongly convicted? you can't really sow their appendages back on and send them on their merry way. I think we clearly need to reinstate (with improvements) the Code of Hammurabi. We need to return to our roots. There are 286 clauses to the Code of Hammurabi would you like to be more specific or are you inclusive of your approval of the code? Just asking because it would be far too easy for me to pick and choose from the more absurd among them. Just to be helpful....Code of Hammurabi 127 If any one "point the finger" (slander) at a sister of a god or the wife of any one, and can not prove it, this man shall be taken before the judges and his brow shall be marked. (by cutting the skin, or perhaps hair.) 128 If a man take a woman to wife, but have no intercourse with her, this woman is no wife to him. 129 If a man's wife be surprised (in flagrante delicto) with another man, both shall be tied and thrown into the water, but the husband may pardon his wife and the king his slaves. 130 If a man violate the wife (betrothed or child-wife) of another man, who has never known a man, and still lives in her father's house, and sleep with her and be surprised, this man shall be put to death, but the wife is blameless. 131 If a man bring a charge against one's wife, but she is not surprised with another man, she must take an oath and then may return to her house. 132 If the "finger is pointed" at a man's wife about another man, but she is not caught sleeping with the other man, she shall jump into the river for her husband. 133 If a man is taken prisoner in war, and there is a sustenance in his house, but his wife leave house and court, and go to another house: because this wife did not keep her court, and went to another house, she shall be judicially condemned and thrown into the water. I think these are clearly the most important ones. :thumbsup: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurielius Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 (edited) 127 If any one "point the finger" (slander) at a sister of a god or the wife of any one, and can not prove it, this man shall be taken before the judges and his brow shall be marked. (by cutting the skin, or perhaps hair.)128 If a man take a woman to wife, but have no intercourse with her, this woman is no wife to him.129 If a man's wife be surprised (in flagrante delicto) with another man, both shall be tied and thrown into the water, but the husband may pardon his wife and the king his slaves.130 If a man violate the wife (betrothed or child-wife) of another man, who has never known a man, and still lives in her father's house, and sleep with her and be surprised, this man shall be put to death, but the wife is blameless.131 If a man bring a charge against one's wife, but she is not surprised with another man, she must take an oath and then may return to her house.132 If the "finger is pointed" at a man's wife about another man, but she is not caught sleeping with the other man, she shall jump into the river for her husband.133 If a man is taken prisoner in war, and there is a sustenance in his house, but his wife leave house and court, and go to another house: because this wife did not keep her court, and went to another house, she shall be judicially condemned and thrown into the water. I think these are clearly the most important ones. :thumbsup: @StarduskLOL, I am noticing a slight trend here.....would it be presumptuous to assume that have been 'dumped' recently? No offense intended or implied but you have to admit out of 286 possible picks you went for unfaithful wife syndrome seven times. Edited February 17, 2011 by Aurielius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpellAndShield Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 (edited) @StarduskLOL, I am noticing a slight trend here.....would it be presumptuous to assume that have been 'dumped' recently? No offense intended or implied but you have to admit out of 286 possible picks you went for unfaithful wife syndrome seven times. I wasn't dumped, nearly dumped but in an act of heroism I flew out to Berlin and saved my relatoinship with poetry, roses and a new affirmation of life (long distance). I did have a large percentage ca. 70% of exes cheat on me though; that point notwithstanding I just think these are 'funny' as it were (not to be implemented) but it does show that humanity has made progress since then. Edited February 17, 2011 by Stardusk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WizardOfAtlantis Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 I think the Dragons are Flying because the title of the thread is what would be the best way to punish criminals..it is not, what is the best way to rehabilitate them. This perhaps shows how we have merged concepts in our minds that we take for granted, but which are in fact entirely different things. Punishment is punishment, dealing back something of what was dealt out to begin with. Rehabilitation is an entirely different matter. One does not imply the other. Of course the prison system does what it does. It's doing exactly what it's set up to do. It's not set up to rehabilitate people, really. It's set up to take people away, for a little while or longer, and any punishment comes from either activity done by other inmates inside the prison (usually) or passively from the fact that one is isolated from society (kind of ironic, since a person who commits crimes is already isolated from society on other perhaps more fundamental levels). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aurielius Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 It should be pointed out that incarnation is relatively a new concept, prior to that a prison was just a holding cell until trial..usually death, ransom or freedom. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marharth Posted February 17, 2011 Share Posted February 17, 2011 I think the Dragons are Flying because the title of the thread is what would be the best way to punish criminals..it is not, what is the best way to rehabilitate them. This perhaps shows how we have merged concepts in our minds that we take for granted, but which are in fact entirely different things. Punishment is punishment, dealing back something of what was dealt out to begin with. Rehabilitation is an entirely different matter. One does not imply the other. Of course the prison system does what it does. It's doing exactly what it's set up to do. It's not set up to rehabilitate people, really. It's set up to take people away, for a little while or longer, and any punishment comes from either activity done by other inmates inside the prison (usually) or passively from the fact that one is isolated from society (kind of ironic, since a person who commits crimes is already isolated from society on other perhaps more fundamental levels).What if someone believes that you shouldn't punish criminals? It went more to the line of "what should we do with the prison system" and "should criminals be treated the same way" since some people don't think punishment is the best thing to do with them. Either way the title seems to mean "punish" as "what should we do with them." I could be wrong though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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