How do you run Wrye Bash?

[Ferryt]

Saga of a Frustrated Would-Be Wrye Bash User

 

I have been trying, literally for weeks, to get Wrye Bash to run on my new computer. I was never able to get it work on my Vista laptop, either. I'm running Oblivion on Win7 (64-bit machine) and it's located in C:\Games\Oblivion. Now begins the story.

 

When I run the Wrye Python installer it asks me to install some additional stuff:

 

1. Python 2.6.5 (duh)
   
2. wxPython 2.8.11.0 (the GUI, makes sense)
   
3. ComTypes 0.6.2 (no idea what this is and it's stated to be optional)
   
4. PyWin32 2.14 (BAIN Wizards, whatever those magical creatures are)
   
5. Pysco 1.6 (supposed to give Python programs a performance boost)
   

 

I've got lots of available disk space, so it shouldn't hurt to let it install all this. I choose to let it do so. And then accept ALL the defaults for the installation of Python, which it installs to C:\Python26.

 

Next, another install wizard pops up (wxPython2.8-ansi-py26 Setup). I accept the agreement and all the defaults for the install, as well as the already-checked options on the "finish" window. Then ComTypes, PyWin, and Psyco install themselves. That is over.

 

Now it's time to install Wrye Bash, itself. Maybe this is where I went wrong the first time, trying to install it into "C:\Games\Oblivion\Wrye Bash", instead of just into "C:\Games\Oblivion" where it wants to go. The installation location options are confusing. I have a box I can check that says "Oblivion". There's a filled-out text input box, though, that already has the full path to my Oblivion folder there. And there's an "Install to extra locations" box.

 

Isn't "C:\Games\Oblivion" enough? What happens if I check the "Oblivion" box? And I have no clue why I'd want Wrye Bash installed to "extra locations". I'm assuming the installer can find my Oblivion directory from the text input box, but I'm going to check "Oblivion", instead, just because maybe I'm being dense and don't understand what the heck that box is for. I'm not going to install to any "extra locations". That just sounds stupidly redundant. Or maybe redundantly stupid. Install options include Start Menu shortcuts (nixed) and Batch Files (accepted).

 

Everything seems to install and then the cleanup window says "Please select which game(s)/extra location(s) that Wrye Bash is installed to that you want to run Wrye Bash for right now:" and gives me "Oblivion" as the only option. It doesn't know? I just installed the flipping thing in my Oblivion directory. OK, I check that, and leave "View Readme" and "Delete files from old Bash versions" checked, and then close out.

 

Now, it gets really confusing. A dialog window pops up stating "A different version of Wrye Bash was previously installed, and tells me its version number is "0", and asks me if I want to create a backup copy of my Bash settings before they're overwritten. WTF? Anyway, I say, yes, since it might be confused because I had to manually uninstall WB, before. A standard save window comes up with the name of a .7z file that it wants to save in "Bash Mod Data". I click "save". It initializes some stuff and guess what?

 

Wrye Bash LIVES!

 

So for anyone who has been having trouble installing/running Wrye Bash, I just gave a step-by-step walkthrough for something which has been eluding me for weeks. I have no idea why it works, now, other than the possibility that I didn't allow Wrye Bash to install itself directly into the Oblivion folder, but tried to sequester its files and folders together.

 

And, now, for the rest of the story ...

 

I am now officially a Happy Mustelid. I'm so happy I could just crawl into a sock and play with shiny things. Unfortunately, I'm now the proud owner of a program which is absolutely useless to me because I haven't the faintest clue how to work it. Looks like I'm going to be delayed yet another week before I can actually start playing Oblivion, again.

[VGI]

Saga of a Frustrated Would-Be Wrye Bash User

 

I have been trying, literally for weeks, to get Wrye Bash to run on my new computer. I was never able to get it work on my Vista laptop, either. I'm running Oblivion on Win7 (64-bit machine) and it's located in C:\Games\Oblivion. Now begins the story.

 

When I run the Wrye Python installer it asks me to install some additional stuff:

 

1. Python 2.6.5 (duh)
   
2. wxPython 2.8.11.0 (the GUI, makes sense)
   
3. ComTypes 0.6.2 (no idea what this is and it's stated to be optional)
   
4. PyWin32 2.14 (BAIN Wizards, whatever those magical creatures are)
   
5. Pysco 1.6 (supposed to give Python programs a performance boost)
   

 

I've got lots of available disk space, so it shouldn't hurt to let it install all this. I choose to let it do so. And then accept ALL the defaults for the installation of Python, which it installs to C:\Python26.

 

Next, another install wizard pops up (wxPython2.8-ansi-py26 Setup). I accept the agreement and all the defaults for the install, as well as the already-checked options on the "finish" window. Then ComTypes, PyWin, and Psyco install themselves. That is over.

 

Now it's time to install Wrye Bash, itself. Maybe this is where I went wrong the first time, trying to install it into "C:\Games\Oblivion\Wrye Bash", instead of just into "C:\Games\Oblivion" where it wants to go. The installation location options are confusing. I have a box I can check that says "Oblivion". There's a filled-out text input box, though, that already has the full path to my Oblivion folder there. And there's an "Install to extra locations" box.

 

Isn't "C:\Games\Oblivion" enough? What happens if I check the "Oblivion" box? And I have no clue why I'd want Wrye Bash installed to "extra locations". I'm assuming the installer can find my Oblivion directory from the text input box, but I'm going to check "Oblivion", instead, just because maybe I'm being dense and don't understand what the heck that box is for. I'm not going to install to any "extra locations". That just sounds stupidly redundant. Or maybe redundantly stupid. Install options include Start Menu shortcuts (nixed) and Batch Files (accepted).

 

Everything seems to install and then the cleanup window says "Please select which game(s)/extra location(s) that Wrye Bash is installed to that you want to run Wrye Bash for right now:" and gives me "Oblivion" as the only option. It doesn't know? I just installed the flipping thing in my Oblivion directory. OK, I check that, and leave "View Readme" and "Delete files from old Bash versions" checked, and then close out.

 

Now, it gets really confusing. A dialog window pops up stating "A different version of Wrye Bash was previously installed, and tells me its version number is "0", and asks me if I want to create a backup copy of my Bash settings before they're overwritten. WTF? Anyway, I say, yes, since it might be confused because I had to manually uninstall WB, before. A standard save window comes up with the name of a .7z file that it wants to save in "Bash Mod Data". I click "save". It initializes some stuff and guess what?

 

Wrye Bash LIVES!

 

So for anyone who has been having trouble installing/running Wrye Bash, I just gave a step-by-step walkthrough for something which has been eluding me for weeks. I have no idea why it works, now, other than the possibility that I didn't allow Wrye Bash to install itself directly into the Oblivion folder, but tried to sequester its files and folders together.

 

And, now, for the rest of the story ...

 

I am now officially a Happy Mustelid. I'm so happy I could just crawl into a sock and play with shiny things. Unfortunately, I'm now the proud owner of a program which is absolutely useless to me because I haven't the faintest clue how to work it. Looks like I'm going to be delayed yet another week before I can actually start playing Oblivion, again.

 

 

From what I hear, it is best to install Oblivion NOT in C:, but in another drive, especially if your OS is Vista or Win7 (they have added security that potentially messes up with modding and mod-related activites.

 

Also, check the previous replies in this thread. I will highlight some things:

Got it to work.

 

Here are the steps:

 

1. Download and install update to Wrye Python here. It is called Wrye Python 03a under the "Files" tab.

 

2. Download and install Wrye Bash here. I chose the Wrye Bash 291 Installer Version. Also under the "Files" tab.

[Fonger]

From what I hear, it is best to install Oblivion NOT in C:, but in another drive, especially if your OS is Vista or Win7 (they have added security that potentially messes up with modding and mod-related activites.

c: doesn't matter

 

what matters is the directory named program files or program files (x86)

 

avoid these like your life depends upon it.

[Ferryt]

VGI, those simple instructions did NOT work for me ... not the last time I installed Wrye Bash on this computer, and not the five or six times I tried to install it on my laptop over the last two years. Why? They say nothing at all about whether to choose one option or another. That's why I detailed what I did. The mouse clicks I made this time worked for me. The mouse clicks I made all those other times, did not work for me. Given a Vista or Win7(x64) machine, what I did, and with the specific options I allowed or disallowed, should result in a working installation of Wry Bash. I make no guarantees any other way.

 

We all know you have to install Wrye Python and Wrye Bash in that order. So why don't those simple directives work all the time for every single person? Leave all the clicking up to the user, and they're going to pick some things and not pick some other things. That may well be why it doesn't work for some people and it works for others. We have no idea what options you chose to make it work, and, trust me, I've been following this thread, and several other Wrye Bash threads very carefully and word-for-word.

 

Finally, as Fonger said, installing Oblivion on the root is actually the accepted best route for anyone with a Vista or Win7 machine. The reason is that the UAC interferes with permissions in the default program installation folders, "Program Files" and "Program Files (x86)". The root is unaffected by this, and I've had no problem on two different machines with my games installed to C:\Games, even with UAC fully enabled. That said, if I had room on my external hard drive I would probably install my games on it, but I don't.

[Megatarius]

I am now officially a Happy Mustelid. I'm so happy I could just crawl into a sock and play with shiny things. Unfortunately, I'm now the proud owner of a program which is absolutely useless to me because I haven't the faintest clue how to work it. Looks like I'm going to be delayed yet another week before I can actually start playing Oblivion, again.

 

The two most useful features I've gotten out of it:

 

1. Transfer character faces from one file to another. Very useful if you want to restart a character.

 

2. Not only remove save game bloat, but also read the bloat caused by OBSE mods that saves in the .obse file in your save folder. Normal bloat remover does not clear this. But you can view it, and see what OBSE mods are bloating your save files. Warning: Reneer's Creature Mod will bloat your game faster than shellfish. And it's not cleared in the normal bloat filter. Only a clean save will fix your game.

[VGI]

VGI, those simple instructions did NOT work for me ... not the last time I installed Wrye Bash on this computer, and not the five or six times I tried to install it on my laptop over the last two years. Why? They say nothing at all about whether to choose one option or another. That's why I detailed what I did. The mouse clicks I made this time worked for me. The mouse clicks I made all those other times, did not work for me. Given a Vista or Win7(x64) machine, what I did, and with the specific options I allowed or disallowed, should result in a working installation of Wry Bash. I make no guarantees any other way.

 

We all know you have to install Wrye Python and Wrye Bash in that order. So why don't those simple directives work all the time for every single person? Leave all the clicking up to the user, and they're going to pick some things and not pick some other things. That may well be why it doesn't work for some people and it works for others. We have no idea what options you chose to make it work, and, trust me, I've been following this thread, and several other Wrye Bash threads very carefully and word-for-word.

 

Finally, as Fonger said, installing Oblivion on the root is actually the accepted best route for anyone with a Vista or Win7 machine. The reason is that the UAC interferes with permissions in the default program installation folders, "Program Files" and "Program Files (x86)". The root is unaffected by this, and I've had no problem on two different machines with my games installed to C:\Games, even with UAC fully enabled. That said, if I had room on my external hard drive I would probably install my games on it, but I don't.

 

 

Well then, ok, if you say so.

 

All I did was install Wrye Python 03a, and then the Wrye Bash 291 Installer Version, and voila. (I actually installed a lower version of Python first, which according to Smooth613, was not necessary.)

 

Now I hope you are reading up on how to do the Bashed Patch thing with Wrye Bash, cuz its the next hurdle.

[Ferryt]

VGI, when you say that "all" you did was install them you're leaving out the details that I added on purpose. You had to make some decisions during the install process and your description of what you did failed to mention any of the decisions you made. We don't know from it where your Oblivion install folder is, we don't know your operating system, we don't know whether or not you have UAC turned on or off (or even if your OS has UAC), we don't know what components of Wyre Python you installed ... all we know is that you clicked on two executable files. After that point, decisions a user makes could very easily make or break an install.

 

You obviously didn't break yours, but we don't know what you did, or did not, do to not break it. With my description you know exactly what I did and did not do to not break it. Sometimes simple isn't better, especially with something as complex as getting Wrye Bash up and running. There's a reason so many people have problems with accomplishing this, and it isn't because they're stupid. It's because the install process isn't intuitive and makes assumptions that the user knows things that he very well may not know.

 

Anyway, yes. My first goal is to master the Art of the Bashed Patch. Things like Megatarius mentioned also interest me (especially importing a face) but that will have to come later.