Assistance Requested. Crashing at start.

[Thateous]

M48A5, on 09 Jul 2015 - 12:16 AM, said:

@Thateous,

 

Do not hijack threads, make your own. This is stated in the Terms of Service that you did not read.

 

That being said:

 

First, remove the 5 inactive plugins.

 

Second, READ your load order and redundant plugins.

 

Disable and uninstall Mart's Mutant Mod - Natural Selection, Tougher Traders, Zones Respawn, they are part of FO3 Wanderer's Edition.

 

 

 

Thanks, shortly after i made that post i went and scoured the README files for all the mods. The flaw you pointed out was one of the first discovered. I had previously successfully installed and played with FO3 Wanderer's Edition and that things only went wonky after I added EVE and MMM. I'm currently trying to get the following mods to co-exist:

 

Fallout3.esm

Anchorage.esm

ThePitt.esm

BrokenSteel.esm

PointLookout.esm

Zeta.esm

CRAFT.esm

CALIBR.esm

Project Beauty.esm

Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch.esm

EVE.esm

FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esm

Mart's Mutant Mod.esm

DarNifiedUIF3.esp

Realistic Interior Lighting.esp

Project Beauty- Broken Steel.esp

Project Beauty- Point Lookout.esp

Fellout-Full.esp

Blackened FWE + MMM + EVE + Project Beauty.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Anchorage.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC The Pitt.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Broken Steel.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Point Lookout.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Mothership Zeta.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - Followers Enhanced (BrokenSteel).esp

WeaponModKits.esp

WeaponModKits - FWE Master Release.esp

WeaponModKits - OperationAnchorage.esp

WeaponModKits - ThePitt.esp

WeaponModKits - BrokenSteel.esp

WeaponModKits - PointLookout.esp

WeaponModKits - Zeta.esp

Total active plugins: 33

Total plugins: 33

Some questions im having a hard time finding the answers to.

1) Is there a specific order in which i should put them into the data folder? i.e. Unofficial patch installed before FO3 Wanderer's etc.

2) Should i be using the FOIP WMK.esp files that are for FO3 Wanderer's+WMK or is there a merged patch like Blackened FWE + MMM + EVE + Project Beauty.esp that adds WMK that i missed.

3) Currently using LOOT, since BOSS told me to, and it currently says the following:

Warnings 6 Errors 0 Total Messages 9

Active Plugins 33 Dirty Plugins 6 Total Plugins 33

 

Trying to figure out FO3edit, but can't make heads or tails of it just yet. any help on the solution to any of the problems listed above would be much appreciated.

[Purr4me]

Blackened FWE + MMM + EVE + Project Beauty.esp

um yeah, that goes under FWE files.

[Thateous]

Ok well i watched a lot of videos and read a lot of posts and now i am at the following load order:

 

Fallout3.esm

Anchorage.esm

ThePitt.esm

BrokenSteel.esm

PointLookout.esm

Zeta.esm

Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch.esm

CALIBR.esm

CRAFT.esm

FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esm

Mart's Mutant Mod.esm

Project Beauty.esm

EVE.esm

Fellout-Full.esp

Flora Overhaul.esp

Xepha's Darkened Interiors.esp

Xepha's Darkened Interiors - PL.esp

Xepha's Darkened Interiors - BS.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esp

HZSmoothLight - FO3.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Broken Steel.esp

DarNifiedUIF3.esp

Blackened FWE + MMM + EVE + Project Beauty.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - Followers Enhanced (BrokenSteel).esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Anchorage.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Mothership Zeta.esp

Project Beauty- Broken Steel.esp

Project Beauty- Point Lookout.esp

WeaponModKits.esp

WeaponModKits - FWE Master Release.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - Optional Restore Tracers.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - Optional Restore Tracers (automatics only).esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Point Lookout.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - More Gore.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC The Pitt.esp

WeaponModKits - BrokenSteel.esp

WeaponModKits - OperationAnchorage.esp

Xepha's Darkened Interiors - OA.esp

WeaponModKits - ThePitt.esp

WeaponModKits - Zeta.esp

WeaponModKits - PointLookout.esp

Dree Perks.esp

UPP - Pack 1.esp

UPP - Pack 2.esp

Revamped Leveling - Unaltered Bobbleheads.esp

Mergerd Patch.esp

Total active plugins: 46

Total plugins: 46

The order was arranged by LOOT and the game starts up just fine. I can get to the shack in the alternate start but can't get out w.o it crashing. Will keep scouring the forums and youtube for answers. any assistance appreciated.

[M48A5]

"The order was arranged by LOOT" does not order Fallout 3 mods correctly. If you don't want to use BOSS, http://boss-developers.github.io/ please go to the FO3 Wanderer's Edition mod page and scroll down the page. There is a sample load order for placing FO3 Wanderer's Edition and suggestions on how to place your other mods.

 

Keep in mind, compatibility patches (Blackened FWE + MMM + EVE + Project Beauty.esp & WeaponModKits - FWE Master Release.esp) must load after the last mod that is being patched. Read the post from Kitty again.

 

Also, check the Fellout page for a load order.

[Thateous]

I only used LOOT because a few videos said BOSS was old. I loaded what BOSS said should be the load order. It's as follows:

 

Fallout3.esm

Anchorage.esm

ThePitt.esm

BrokenSteel.esm

PointLookout.esm

Zeta.esm

Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch.esm

CRAFT.esm

CALIBR.esm

FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esm

Mart's Mutant Mod.esm

Project Beauty.esm

EVE.esm

Dree Perks.esp

Fellout-Full.esp

Xepha's Darkened Interiors.esp

Xepha's Darkened Interiors - BS.esp

Xepha's Darkened Interiors - OA.esp

Xepha's Darkened Interiors - PL.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Anchorage.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Mothership Zeta.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Point Lookout.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC The Pitt.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - Optional Restore Tracers (automatics only).esp

Project Beauty- Broken Steel.esp

Project Beauty- Point Lookout.esp

DarNifiedUIF3.esp

WeaponModKits.esp

UPP - Pack 1.esp

WeaponModKits - BrokenSteel.esp

WeaponModKits - FWE Master Release.esp

WeaponModKits - OperationAnchorage.esp

WeaponModKits - PointLookout.esp

WeaponModKits - ThePitt.esp

WeaponModKits - Zeta.esp

Flora Overhaul.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - Main File.esp

UPP - Pack 2.esp

HZSmoothLight - FO3.esp

Revamped Leveling - Unaltered Bobbleheads.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - Followers Enhanced (BrokenSteel).esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - DLC Broken Steel.esp

Blackened FWE + MMM + EVE + Project Beauty.esp

FO3 Wanderers Edition - More Gore.esp

Merged.esp

It only seems to crash when i step outside of the alternate start shack. Going to try and just do the vault 101 start and see what happens. Will update with results.

[M48A5]

@Thateous

 

Go to the FO3 Wanderer's Edition mod page, scroll down the page and read the load order that is there. Compare it to your load order and make the changes.

 

Move the Blackened patch so that it is after your merged patch. When you make a new merged patch, do not include Blackened.

[Purr4me]

I am going to address this in a new way, one that might work here?

 

I only used LOOT because a few videos said BOSS was old.

Yeah, so is this game. It requires software controls built when the game was built and released.

I could care less about what's assumed to be Obsolete, this game would then be considered "obsolete"

This game has not changed at all since the update version patched 1.7

Any codes written to address this game with that code is Gold.

 

I loaded what BOSS said should be the load order. It's as follows:

This program uses what all current programs use, an svn code downloaded from a server that has been altered to Today's time and place, it's based on today's current thoughts and software, It is not based on this games needs. The original program once used is ALSO considered Obsolete too ,"FOMM".

Written by the very same people that maintain the SVN code for today's use...considering this game Obsolete. So the code will NOT match this games needs.

It only seems to crash when i step outside of the alternate start shack. Going to try and just do the vault 101 start and see what happens. Will update with results.

There are two Fomm version available that will work....now IF you own both versions of fallout's then you choose the NV Forked version of Fomm.

Fomm has properties not talked about, it places "writes" to the game folder a depository control folder, it's Called Install Info. In here, the templates were Global.

 

Dates...Updates, things going crazy with updates...well this code that was once used was changed, it was changed to fit Today's games, Not this old dinosaur

So this folder is no longer parsed by all the newer program versions...how ever it does pareses it , but there is no data in there for it to use because the data IT uses is meant for New algorithms, The files that contain the instructions for load order control use a different file name Extent ions that "FOMM" does not reconcile and will not use.

 

This is deliberate Obsolescence built in to today's programing for this poor old game. and your stuck with what ever is available.

If this displeases you? it should and that's how it is.

 

but that load order is still incorrect and you will never get it right using today's tools for yesterday's Games.

1. http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout3/mods/640/? Fallout 3 only
2. http://www.nexusmods.com/newvegas/mods/54991/? Both Fallout 3 And New Vegas games.

The update templates for Fo3 I have VIA PM ,no you won't find them on the networks any more...I have verified that already.

FNV templates I have not uploaded yet..waiting for a few mod's to be finished first.

 

you want help? then read hun, understand we are not here to waste our time. we Do understand many do not know how things work, there is nothing wrong with that. But please read things..IF you do not understand things, well ,then ask.

 

kitty

[Thateous]

Thanks Kitty,

 

I have been omitting some details in an effort to get straight to the point. There are numerous problems one of which is that i bit off more than i cab chew. I did, at first, successfully mod FWE into the game and with the ease of that process u decided to up the ante. I watched a video series by Dansgaming where he goes through a lot about how to mod the game. I realized it was a year old and a lot changed since then. Namely merged patches of mods like EVE and MMM.

I don't mean to frustrate anyone i have been reading quite a lot. Some of it conflicting with things read previously so it's easy to get confused. I've tried quite a few load orders from mod pages like FOIP, FWE, LOOT, BOSS and a few more. To be honest I'vebeen treating this like a game/puzzle. With the reward being a bigger badder fallout.

So going forward i will read what you linked. Reread a few things. Play with the load order and if it fails i will dial back the number of mods used to an amount i can manage and load properly before attempting to add more. Thanks for the assistance.

[Purr4me]

well the load orders won't work with current information available, a thing...I have already confirmed and know as fact.

there is great deal of confusion going on. Be advised I am not confused in this matter. I can in an instant grant you a rock solid load order and mods to play with, Or I can alter your course to a better way of doing things.

 

what prevents this is I have no idea what your interest may be? if your new at all of this, then things here won't make any sense at all.

That comes from experience.

so..you say you liked FWE's facets? the way it works?

How about Fook2 ? ever rant that by it's self Unmodified?

um, what I can do is offer another approach, better mods that have all of these features but already melted together, that means a lot less is need to do.

 

how about it?

[Purr4me]

Upload your current last saved game file that contains all of the above posted data in it.

I'll extract from that what I need ,then I'll install all of that in the correct order, post that order and the ORDER WILL represent your install order of the mods...understand this?

 

please upload the file to http://www.2shared.com/ It serves me well, has zero add's and zero spam. you will need to make an account there to do this.

This By the way will Eliminate 1 less thing you will need in the future. Plan ahead.

 

and I still have the other data you are going to need too.