What is the REAL load order with

[Hickory]

Except I had it that way and the load order didn't work, but the new way did. Explain that one to me.

 

Yeah, right, I'm a mind reader, and I can see your complete mod list from here.

 

Doesn't that defeat the purpose of BOSS? Why have my custom load order and have BOSS fix the other stuff which is mainly "unknown" and puts it at the bottom of the list? The one's BOSS recognizes, messes up. So my custom load order fixed that problem. Then I have the unknown mods placed at the bottom which I have to sort out myself anyways. Seems kind of pointless.

 

How does it defeat the purpose? You have absolutely and completely missed the point. You use BOSS to sort your mod list; any mods that you have that BOSS does not recognise, or that you want placed in a different order to BOSS, you place in your userlist.txt file, then when you run BOSS it sorts EVERYTHING the way that YOU want it to. <Whoooosh!>

[Hayzie]

You don't need to see my mod list to understand how it's set up, especially after you telling me that my load order was wrong. <whoooosh!>

 

I didn't absolutely and completely miss your point. Everything you described to me about BOSS sounds exactly like me just importing a Load Order file in OBMM. Which again, is pointless for me load up BOSS for any reason.

Edited February 23, 2011 by Hayzie

[Hickory]

You don't need to see my load order to understand how it's set up, especially after you telling me my load order was wrong. <whoooosh!>

 

I told you your BC \ UL \ Patches were wrong, not your load order.

 

I didn't absolutely and completely miss your point. Everything you described to me about BOSS sounds exactly like me just importing a Load Order file in OBMM.

 

It's all about extra steps that you do not have to take with a set up BOSS userlist. Everything gets done with one keypress. But have it your way.

[Hayzie]

You don't need to see my load order to understand how it's set up, especially after you telling me my load order was wrong. <whoooosh!>

 

I told you your BC \ UL \ Patches were wrong, not your load order.

 

I didn't absolutely and completely miss your point. Everything you described to me about BOSS sounds exactly like me just importing a Load Order file in OBMM.

 

It's all about extra steps that you do not have to take with a set up BOSS userlist. Everything gets done with one keypress. But have it your way.

And you honestly think the rest of the mods before BC and UL would change everything when a rearrangement of the BC/UL order is what fixed my problem? I'll post it for you.

[Hayzie]

Oblivion.esm

Beautiful People 2ch-Ed.esm

Better Cities Resources.esm

Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Eye Modules.esp

Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Merged Hair Modules.esp

Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Vanilla Race.esp

Beautiful People 2ch-Ed Disable BandBlindMask.esp

x117race.esp

EyelashesVannilaRaces.esp

Lop-ears Elf_mini.esp

Oblivion Graphics Extender Support.esp

Head06 Replacer.esp

The Southlanders.esp

Altair_Race.esp

MUIA.esp

IDKRRR_Moira_race.esp

Toggleable Quantity Prompt.esp

_Ren_BeautyPack_full.esp

MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp

KT_CustomRaceFix.esp

HUD Status Bars.esp

Bow Crash Fix.esp

FasterArrows200.esp

DS Flaming Arrows.esp

Growlfs Fixed Camera.esp

super_start-2428.esp

Spells of Speed.esp

Denock Arrows.esp

SetBody.esp

Teleport Everywhere.esp

MidasMagicLazyFockerChest.esp

NoMaaM_BBB.esp

Robed Panty Armor Edit.esp

MODRoadRogue.esp

Water Sword.esp

MasterSwordDX.esp

DBShadowSet.esp

Ramshield.esp

EM_Packdonkeys.esp

LoadingScreens.esp

Storms & Sound.esp

IWR-Lights.esp

IWR-Windows.esp

IWR-Shutters.esp

Book Jackets Oblivion.esp

Brighter_Torches.esp

FlyingCameraMod.esp

FOV Modifier.esp

CT-Com's Torch Compendium.esp

Get Wet.esp

kuerteeCleanUp.esp

Spell Delete And Item Remove.esp

JuvenileMod.esp

000EEBow1_2.esp

alllll61-Saint Silver armor.esp

MODAssassinsCreed2_Revisited.esp

AC2 Revisited HGEC.esp

glass_warrior.esp

SilverwareWeapons.esp

Ultimate Zelda Mod.esp

Thieves Arsenal.esp

ExnemEC_Rogue01.esp

Dragon Claw Sword And Shield.esp

R18PN - FuruFuru Armor.esp

R18PN - Eisen Platte Armor.esp

R18PN - Leere Armor.esp

Nightshade_Armor.esp

DarkLight Mithril Armor.esp

HentaiLovelyHouse.esp

Klarre Forestheart.esp

Naughty_Joana_01.esp

Star's Rest.esp

Millstone_Farm.esp

BravilSeaDomes.esp

Enchanted Portable Tent.esp

Respawning Varla & Welkynd Stones.esp

Shadowcrest_Vineyard.esp

Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp

Natural_Vegetation_200%_by_Max_Tael.esp

Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp

Natural_Weather_HDR_with_darker_Nights_by_Max_Tael.esp

Oblivion Vwalk.esp

Better Cities .esp

Scribe Supplies.esp

VaultsofCyrodiilBC.esp

Better Cities Full.esp

Better Imperial City.esp

Better Cities Full Vwalk.esp

Better Imperial City Vwalk.esp

Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp

Better Cities Full FPS Patch.esp

Better Cities - No LEYAWIIN Flooding.esp

xuldarkforest.esp

xulStendarrValley.esp

xulTheHeath.esp

XulEntiusGorge.esp

xulFallenleafEverglade.esp

xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp

xulChorrolHinterland.esp

xulChorrolHinterland Vwalk.esp

xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp

xulBravilBarrowfields.esp

xulBravilBarrowfields Vwalk.esp

xulLushWoodlands.esp

xulAncientRedwoods.esp

xulCloudtopMountains.esp

xulArriusCreek.esp

xulRollingHills_EV.esp

xulRollingHills_EV Vwalk.esp

xulPantherRiver.esp

xulRiverEthe.esp

xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp

xulBrenaRiverRavine Vwalk.esp

xulImperialIsle.esp

xulImperialIsle Vwalk.esp

xulBlackwoodForest.esp

xulCheydinhalFalls.esp

xulAspenWood.esp

xulAspenWood Vwalk.esp

xulSkingradOutskirts.esp

xulSkingradOutskirts Vwalk.esp

xulSnowdale.esp

xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp

xulCliffsOfAnvil Vwalk.esp

Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp

Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp

Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp

Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp

Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp

 

 

Now if you know, will you explain to me why my load order works and not the one that is widely suggested?

[Hickory]

Now if you know, will you explain to me why my load order works and not the one that is widely suggested?

 

Your load order is a band-aid. The UL Cheydinhal Falls and BC Cheydinhal conflict because BC alters the cell's water records. If you load BC after UL everything will be as it should be with both mods except the water record, which is why you see the missing water. This is simply corrected by using a Bashed Patch to import that water record. If you load UL after BC you will see the water, but everything is not as it should be with BC.

[Hayzie]

That is good to know. I will bash a patch.

 

But isn't the BC patch arleady supposed to take care of the conflict? That's where this puzzles me.

[Hickory]

That is good to know. I will bash a patch.

 

But isn't the BC patch arleady supposed to take care of the conflict? That's where this puzzles me.

 

It does, by importing the water record into the Bashed Patch, that's why it's a patch. If you are going to use overhaul mods, a Bashed Patch is a must.

 

Edit: If you look at the BC patch masterlist you will see that it requires both BC resources and UL Cheydinhal Falls. Because of the sweeping changes that BC makes to towns and cities, it MUST be virtually last in the load order, as cities impact MASSIVELY in the whole game, not just architecture. And the latest version has the option to make cities 'open', so that cities are directly in the Tamriel worldspace.

[Hayzie]

Thank you for your help, Hickory. I really appreciate it.

[Hayzie]

In Wrye Bash, I cannot mark these as Mergeable. Any tips? Sorry.