How does one skelington?

[dlseanan]

Hi all and sundry,

 

My skeleton (.hkx file?) seems to be broken. How exactly do i fix this?

Symptoms are the typical weapons, shields and staffs at the characters feet, both PC and NPC. Vanilla sheath points work fine, i.e. one weapon at waist & shield on hand, but anything more doesn't.

This seems to be a Dual Sheath Redux problem (not blaming, just saying that dual sheathing etc. is it's primary feature). And scrolling the mod page returns that it's likely a problem with my in-game skeleton.

My mod list is extensive (200+), but i've tested with a completely mod-free new game (not even Unofficial Patches - but with DSR obvs), console'd in two daggers at the start, and same problem, so i doubt it's mod-conflict related. I may be wrong though. It's happened before.

Mods of interest though are FNIS (because it deals with skeletons), and Equipping Overhaul. EO was my first suspect as i imagined there would be easy conflict between it and DSR, but it seems not.

 

Here is my mod-list (the ones with dashes aren't active):

 

# This file was automatically generated by Mod Organizer.
-3D Paper World Map
-Jaxonz Diagnostics
+JContainers
+DynDOLOD Patch
+Dynamic Distant Objects LOD - DynDOLOD
+FNIS Patch
+Fores New Idles in Skyrim - FNIS
+Better Shaped Weapons - All in One Installer
+Dual Sheath Redux Patch
+Dual Sheath Redux
+Bashed Patch
+STEP - Skyrim Total Enhancement Project
+STEP Core & Extended - Survival patch
+Modular Morrowloot Patch
+A Real Explorer's Guide to Skyrim - Patches
+High Level Enemies - SIC - OBIS Patch
+Unique Uniques - Weapons and Armor Fixes Remade Patch
+Vanilla Reduced Textures
+WAF-CCF-SIC Patch
+Unofficial SPERG Patches
+vwr Wet Eyes
+VioLens - A Killmove Mod
+UFO - Ultimate Follower Overhaul
+TK HitStop
+TK Recoil
+T3nd0s Skyrim Redone
+Stones of Barenziah Quest Markers
+SPERG - Skyrim Perk Enhancements and Rebalanced Gameplay
-Smart Cast
+RealisticRoomRental-Enhanced
-NPC Smarter Water AI - Full Compatibility
-No Combat Boundaries and Unofficial Encounter Zone Patch
+Moonlight Tales - Werewolf and Werebear Overhaul
-Mine Foremen Sell Ore
-Master of Disguise - Immersive Disguises for Skyrim
+Loot and Degradation
+iNeed - Food, Water and Sleep
+Improved Dragon Shouts
-Immersive Spells and Light - Spells emit light
+Immersive detection of NPC
+Honed Metal -NPC Crafting and Enchanting services-
+Harvest Overhaul
+Frostfall - Hypothermia Camping Survival
+Face to face conversation
-Farmers Sell Produce
+Enhanced Skyrim Factions - The Companions Guild
+Dynamic Loot
+Dragon Soul Relinquishment
+Cobb Encumbrance
+College of Winterhold Entry Requirements
+Classic Level Up
+Chasing the Dragon - Toxicity and Addiction
+Better Vampires 7.0
+Better Fast Travel - Carriages and Ships - Overhauled
+Bathing in Skyrim
+True Storms - Thunder and Rain Redone v1.4
+OMINOUS Dragon Soul Absorb Music
+Musical Lore (Soundtrack Mod By Nir Shor)
+Kill The Orchestra
+Immersive Sounds - Compendium
+Hoths Main Menu Music Replacer
+Supreme Storms
+Supreme and Volumetric Fog
+Subtle Cloak Spell Graphics
+Subliminal Traps 2 - NMM Installer by Kevkas
+Remove Interior Fog V2
+Realistic Sun Vanilla
+Real Shelter - Full Release
+No Snow Under The Roof
+Interior and Dungeon Fog Remover
+ETHEREAL CLOUDS
+Alternate Summoning Visuals
+Wolf Follower - Dynamic pet including Hunger and Growth system
+Vilja in Skyrim
+Sofia - The Funny Fully Voiced Follower
+Serana Dialogue Edit
+Queen of the Damned - Deadlier Serana
+INIGO
+Hoth
+Follower Commentary Overhaul
+Familiar Faces
+Erandur Redone
+Companion Valfar
+Cerwiden -SMART Healer- AI Configurable Companion
+Arissa - The Wandering Rogue
+The Dragon Engine
+Skyrim Immersive Creatures
+OBIS - Organized Bandits In Skyrim
+Inconsequential NPCs
+Immersive Patrols
+High Level Enemies 1.6 SIC Edition
+Extended Encounters
+Deadly Dragons
+Black Horse Courier Reborn
+Wearable Lanterns 3 0b
+Unique Uniques
+Unique Weapons Redone
+The One Ring a LOTR mod
+Runed Nord Hero Weapons
+Real Bows Lite
+Psilocybin Mushrooms NMM
+Nightingale Weapons Retexture - Carbon Fiber
-Ethereal Ghostblade
+Eli's Coffee Mod
+Cloaks of Skyrim
+Apophysis Dragon Priest Masks
+Winterhold - Expanded Ruins
+Windhelm Lighthouse
-Windcallers Pass
+Unique Border Gates
+The Temple of Black Rock
+The Shadow of Meresis
+The Secret of Dragonhead
+Sky Haven Temple Merchants and More
+Provincial Courier Service
+Ogmunds Tomb
+Nightingale Hall Restored - Karliah as a Follower
+Immersive Fallen Trees Mod
+Immersive Dawnguard Dayspring Pass
+Immersive College of Winterhold
+High Hrothgar Overhaul
+Hidden Hideouts of Skyrim
+Helgen Reborn
+Expanded Towns and Cities
+Dovahkiin's Vault
+Dawn of Skyrim Collection 1.2-58275-1-2
+Breezehome Firepit Removed
+Books of Skyrim
+Blackreach Overhaul
+Better Docks
+Apple garden_Il giardino delle mele
+Alternate Start - Live Another Life
+Realistic Boat Bobbing
+Player Headtracking
+Equipping Overhaul
+Better Jumping
+Belt-Fastened Quivers 1 2 Release
+Unique Region Names
+Small Crosshair
+No Poison Dialogues
+moreHUD
+iWASM - Immersive Wait And Sleep Menu
+iActivate
+Extended UI
+A Matter of Time - A HUD clock widget
+Starting Spell Choice
+SkyRealism - Time and Travel
+SafetyLoad
+Even Better Quest Objectives
+Wiseman303's Trap Fixes
+When Vampires Attack
+Wet and Cold
+Traps Make Noise - More Dangerous Traps
+Thieves Guild Requirements - No Auto Quest Start Brynjolf
+The Paarthurnax Dilemma
+The Choice is Yours - Fewer Forced Quests - Improved Dialogue Options
+Skyrim -Community- Uncapper
+Skyrim Coin Replacer Redux
+Run For Your Lives
+Oblivion Gates
+Non-Essential Children
-No NPC Greetings
+Lock Overhaul
+Gildergreen Regrown
+Follower Trap Safety
+Dual Wield Parrying
+Immersive Horses
+Come together N Out of the way - Nausicaa-S Tweaker
+ClamsDropPearls
+Bring Out Your Dead
+Better Stealth AI for Followers - No Torch while Sneaking
+Auto Unequip Ammo
+Ultra Realistic Crossbow Shoot Sounds
+Ultra Realistic Bow Shoot Sounds
+Thundering shouts
+Smooth blades draw and sheath
+Realistic wolf howls
+Lower Sounding Thieves Guild Door
+Improved Combat Sounds
+Immersive Skyrim Thunder V6
+IHSS - Improved Horse Step Sounds
+Heart of the Beast - Werewolf Sound and Texture Overhaul
+Dragons Shout with Voice
+Audio Overhaul for Skyrim 2
+Better Weapon Swing Sounds
+Better Horse Pain Sounds
+Better Animal Footsteps
+White Phial Replacer
+Sweet Mother - the Night Mother Improvement
+Super Realistic Ore Textures
+Soul Gems Differ
+Skyrim Redesigned
+Silly Level of Detail - Wine Cellar -- SLOD WC
+Septim HD
+RUSTIC POTIONS and POISONS
+Ren's HD Shrines by Rengel
+Realistic Instruments - Flute Lute and Drum HQ
+Radiant and Unique Potions and Poisons HD
+Pilgrims Delight - Legacy
+Not Really HD Keys
+N-R HD Display Case
+Intricate Spider Webs
+HQ Paper
+HD Sacks Retexture
+HD Ore And Ingots
+HD Linens
+HD Baskets Retex
+Gemling Queen Dragon Claws
+Enhanced HD Dragon Bones 1k v1.6a
+Improved Enchanter Candle Meshes
+Detailing the Eldrich - Higher-Res Riekling Architecture
+Detailed Rugs
+Dark Brotherhood Tenets Restored - Standard Edition
+Book Covers Skyrim
+Better Shadowmarks
+Better Bones
+Barenziah's Glory
+The 418th Step
+Smaller Ice Spike and Ice Spear
+Skyrim Performance PLUS
+Enhanced Camera
+Running with your Bow Replacer
+Wonders of Weather
+NoMaaM Breathing Idles BBB
-No Spinning Death Animation
+Lightning During Thunderstorms
+Improved Weapon Impact EFFECTS Correct Metal
+Finer Dust
+Enhanced Blood Textures
+Enchantment Effect Replacer
+Blocking Animation Pack
+DROPS
+Deadly Spell Impacts
+Dawnguard Rune Weapons FXS Replacer
+D13 Faster GET UP STAND UP animation vanilla friendly
+Burn Freeze Shock Effects
+Better Turn Animation only One pose
+Animated Weapon Enchants
+Animated Clutter
+Ultimate HD Torch
+TDN Vampire Armor Retexture
+Not Really HD Mask of Clavicus Vile
+Nightingale Prime HD
+New Thinner Torch
+Greatsword Sheaths and Scabbards Redux
+Skyrim Weapon De-LARP-ification Project
+Gemling Queen Jewelry
+Elemental Staffs
+Closer Quivers and Longer Arrows
+Dawnguard Crossbow Explosive Bolts Visualized
+Better Circlets HQ V1o1
+aMidianBorn stormcloak officer armour
+aMidianBorn imperial light and studded
+aMidianBorn Book of Silence
+aMidianBorn Blade of Woe
+Natural Eyes
+Better males - Beautiful nudes and faces - New hairstyles
+XCE - Dawnguard
+XCE - Xenius Character Enhancement
+Wiseman303's Critter Fixes
+Dawnguard Rewritten - Arvak
+Superior Lore-Friendly Hair - HD textures
+PondFish and Salmon Replacer - texture
+new children
+More Realistic Hair
+Improved Foot Wraps for females
+Frost Atronach HD Retex
+Female Vampires Have Fangs
+Cover Khajiits
+Brows
+Birds and Flocks
+Better Freckles
+Better Beast Races v2
+Bellyaches HD Dragon Replacer Pack
+Beards
+83Willows 101BugsHD Butterfly Dragonfly Luna-Moth Torchbug
+Bellyaches Animal and Creature Pack
+Whiterun Trellis Redesigned and HQ
+Vivid Landscapes - Tundra Moss Revised
+Visible Windows
+TreesHD_Skyrim_Variation
+The Ruffled Feather - Enhanced Distant Terrain
+The Ruffled Feather
+The Beauty of Skyrim - Dungeons
+Skyrim Improved Puddles - SIP
+Realistic Water Two
+Re-Defined Dungeons WIP
+Real Wood Textures - Farmhouses No Green Moss Version 1K
+Point The Way
+Moss Rocks - Dragonborn DLC Addon
+Lanterns Of Skyrim - All In One - MCM Special Edition
+Improved Vanilla Mountains HD
+Hybrids Hires Plant and Herb Retexture
+HQ Snow Texture
+HiRes Legible Road Signs
+High Quality LODs
+HD Dark brotherhood door
+Footprints
+Farmhouse Chimneys
+Ethereal Cosmos
+Purity
+HD Enhanced Terrain
+Embers HD
+Dragon Glyphs HD - Fixed
+Skyrim Flora Overhaul 2.1
+aMidianBorn Whiterun
+aMidianBorn Solstheim Landscape
+aMidianBorn Farmhouse
+aMidianBorn Caves and Mines
+A Quality World Map and Solstheim Map - With Roads
+High Quality Food and Ingredients
+Tobes Highres Textures
+HD Misc
+STEP Texture Compilation
+Skyrim HD v1 5 LITE - Landscape
+Serious HD Retexture Skyrim
+Static Mesh Improvement Mod
+SkyFalls + SkyMills
+Ultimate HD Fire Effects
+Realistic Smoke and Embers
+Ruins Clutter Improved
+Viewable Faction Ranks
+Smaller Cursor
+SkyUI
+Skyrim Skill Interface Re-Texture
+RaceMenu
+Main Menu Spinning Skyrim Emblem
+Main Font Replacement
+Lore-Based Loading Screens
+KenMOD - Time on loading screen
+Immersive HUD - iHUD
+High Quality 3D Map
+EASIER LOCKPICKING - Without Cheating - Nordic Retexture
-Disease Descriptions for the Immersive Adventurer
+Better MessageBox Controls
+Better Dialogue Controls
+XP32 Maximum Skeleton -XPMS
-Realistic Force
+Complete Crafting Overhaul Remade
+Weapons and Armor Fixes Remade
+Trade and Barter
+Smart Souls
+Skyrim Project Optimization
+SKSE -Elys- AltF4
+Relighting Skyrim
+Ragdoll Paralysis
+Invisibility Glitch - Eyes Fix
+Improved closefaced helmets
+Guard Dialogue Overhaul
+Fuz Ro Doh
+ELE - Lite
+Enchantment Reload Fix
+Double Cursor Fix
+Dead Body Collision Fix
+Cutting Room Floor
+Consistent Older People
+Clothing and Clutter Fixes
+Brawl Bugs Patch - Plugins - Modder Resource
+Bowlegged jump animation Fix
+Appropriately Attired Jarls
+STEP - Vanilla Optimised Textures
+Unofficial High Resolution Patch
*Unmanaged: HighResTexturePack03
*Unmanaged: HighResTexturePack02
*Unmanaged: HighResTexturePack01
+Unofficial Dragonborn Patch
+Dragonborn (cleaned)
*Unmanaged: Dragonborn
+Unofficial Hearthfire Patch
+Hearthfires (cleaned)
*Unmanaged: HearthFires
+Unofficial Dawnguard Patch
+Dawnguard (cleaned)
*Unmanaged: Dawnguard
+Unofficial Skyrim Patch
+Distant Decal Fix
+Stable uGridsToLoad
+PapyrusUtil - Modders Scripting Utility Functions
+skse 1 07 03
+Update (cleaned)

 

 

Really out of my depth here,

dlseanan

 

[Saizetsu]

First of all have you run LOOT? Because if that is the load order as well then i see conflicts. Patches always go after the mods they are patching.

 

Second have you installed the custom skeleton xpmse or groovtamas? And run the skeleton arm fix on fnis?

[dlseanan]

I have run LOOT, yes. That's not the load order, that's the complete mod list (left pane of MO). Also it's in reverse order for some reason, so the patches are after the mods they patch. I got that from my profile folder in the ModOrganizer directory, called modlist.txt.

 

I also applied the skeleton arm fix with FNIS, yes.

 

I actually have installed XP32 Maximum Skeleton, and immediately after posting i realised that and started some investigation. I have installed the XPMS 1.94 main file, and followed these STEP instructions, except under "Bow and Quiver", i chose the Frostfall option.

 

The notice on this page has me worried and confused though;

 

Notice: The installation instructions here support using wearable items from the Wet and Cold STEP mod. Skyrim Revisited includes different installation options that support using items from a different mod (Frostfall). The two installation option sets are not compatible.

 

 

I do use Frostfall, so i went over to the Skyrim Revisited page, and that instructs to use the Groovtama's XPMS Extended main file. Can i use both main files? Is that even necessary/compatible? I want to retain skeleton support for both Wet and Cold and Frostfall.

[Saizetsu]

No the two skeletons would conflict, use groovtamas his is compatible.

 

Wet and cold and frostfall are compatible i use both. I am unsure why that message would say so.