I must be missing something

[niccolo]

So, last night I downloaded ImpeREAL City, ImpeREAL Empire (Castles) and ImpeREAL Merchants restock. I also installed Reaper's Arcane University Overhaul and The Imperial Waters. (They're all supposed to mostly play nice!)

 

Anyhoo, I get around to installing the mods and it just sorta dies. You know the trick - OBSE boots up and you see the DOS window, then the little Oblivion screen appears, then nothing. You'd think I'd be used to this by now, actually - it happens every time I install a small batch of mods.

 

Afterwards, I went through it in Wrye Bash until every square (Save a COBL one, but that is stubborn and has never really changed colour) was green and BOSS was happy. I followed Wrye Bash's suggestions and merged a bunch of mod into the bashed patch (Only the ones it told me to) and moved Deadly Reflex to the bottom, since I read somewhere that DR should stay as far down as possible to avoid eating itself.

 

Long story short, I haven't really improved my situation. As such, I can only assume I'm missing something stupid, or BOSS made a snafu and arranged one file above another when they should be the other way around. (It used to do that to me frequently)

 

Anyway, here's my load order. (Holy hell, I never realised jsut how long it was)

 

BEFORE ANYONE SUGGESTS: Yes, I'm going through and doing the one-by-one disabling trick. That doesn't always work, though, especially if it's a load-order problem.

 

Active Mod Files:
00  Oblivion.esm
01  You Are Here.esm
02  All Natural Base.esm  [Version 0.9.9]
03  Cobl Main.esm  [Version 1.72]
04  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm  [Version 1.33]
05  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esm
06  Armamentarium.esm  [Version 1.35]
07  Artifacts.esm  [Version 1.1]
08  Kvatch Rebuilt.esm
09  CM Partners.esm
0A  HorseCombatMaster.esm
0B  Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp  [Version 3.2.0]
0C  Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
0D  DLCShiveringIsles.esp
0E  Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp  [Version 1.4.0]
0F  SM Plugin Refurbish - SI.esp  [Version 1.05]
10  All Natural.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
11  All Natural - SI.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
++  All Natural - EW + AWS.esp  [Version Final]
++  All Natural - EW + NW + AWS.esp  [Version Final]
++  phinix-waterfix.esp
++  Real Lava 1.3.esp
12  Better Bell Sounds.esp
13  All Natural - Real Lights.esp  [Version 0.9.9]
14  36Sermons-Miltiades.esp
15  Adonnays Ranger Coats.esp
16  Akatosh Mount By Saiden Storm.esp
17  Book Jackets Oblivion.esp
18  bgShaderStandAloneEV.esp  [Version 1.0EV]
19  ClocksOfCyrodiilNoArcane.esp
1A  CityLights - ImperialCity.esp
1B  MYR_AyleidExtensions.esp
1C  P1DseeYouSleep.esp
1D  Portable Campsite.esp
++  P1DseeYouSleep - Portable Campsite.esp
1E  RoadSigns.esp
++  VA_BetterGold.esp
1F  Weapon Displays V1.9.esp
20  Living Economy.esp
21  Living Economy - Items.esp
22  Cutthroat Merchants.esp
23  Crowded Roads.esp  [Version 2.0]
24  DLCHorseArmor.esp
25  DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
26  SM Plugin Refurbish - HorseArmor.esp  [Version 1.11]
27  DLCOrrery.esp
28  DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.3]
29  SM Plugin Refurbish - Orrery.esp  [Version 1.11]
2A  DLCVileLair.esp
2B  DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
++  SM Plugin Refurbish - VileLair.esp  [Version 1.21]
2C  P1DseeYouSleep - DLCVileLair.esp
2D  DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
2E  DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
2F  SM Plugin Refurbish - MehrunesRazor.esp  [Version 1.11]
30  DLCSpellTomes.esp
++  DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
31  Book Jackets DLC.esp
++  GrimbotsSpellTomes.esp
32  ExnemEyeCandy.esp
++  MaleBodyReplacerV4.esp
33  Armory of the Silver Dragon.esp
++  Blade Of Woe Replacer.esp
++  CM_Better Wine_SI.esp
34  cowlredux.esp
35  Crossbows of Cyrodiil.esp
36  PTArtifacts.esp
37  RealitySpectresThiefGarb.esp
38  Reznod_Mannequin_HD[Eng].esp
39  Tyrael Armor.esp
3A  Thieves Arsenal.esp
3B  Rope Ladders v1.esp
3C  StockClothingArmor-forExnems.esp
3D  Armamentium female.esp
3E  Tyler's Horses.esp
3F  Goblin Realswords+Tribal Shields.esp
40  DLCThievesDen.esp
41  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.5]
42  DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
43  ExnemRuneskulls.esp
44  Cobl Glue.esp  [Version 1.72]
45  Cobl Si.esp  [Version 1.63]
++  Cobl Tweaks.esp  [Version 1.44]
46  Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp  [Version 1.33]
++  OOO-Water_Weeds.esp  [Version 1.33]
47  OOO-Map_Markers_Stock.esp  [Version 1.33]
48  ArmamentariumArtifacts.esp  [Version 1.35]
49  OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp  [Version 1.72]
++  ArmamentariumLL4OOO.esp  [Version 2.01]
++  ArmamentariumLLMagicOOO.esp  [Version 1.35]
4A  adTH-druidsdomain.esp
4B  adTreeHome.esp
4C  AlchemistsCave-COBL.esp
4D  Artifacts.esp  [Version 1.1]
++  Artifacts - ArmaCompleteAddon.esp  [Version 1.0]
4E  Better Rosethorn Hall.esp
4F  BHC_Expanded.esp  [Version 1.2]
50  Chapel Sanctuary.esp
51  HighwaymanHideway.esp
52  SB IC Palace Tower Light Mod v1.1 - Modified Version.esp
53  ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - All the Districts - Merged.esp
54  ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - All the Districts Visible From Cyrodiil.esp
55  ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Castles - All The Castles - Merged.esp
56  Ivy Cottage.esp
57  Kvatch Rebuilt.esp
++  Kvatch Rebuilt - OOO Compatibility.esp
++  Kvatch Rebuilt Weather Patch.esp
58  GlenvarCastle.esp
59  LostTreasures1.1.esp
5A  The Imperial Water.esp
5B  Malevolent.esp
5C  Rise Of A Samurai.esp
5D  Shivering Isles Root System.esp
5E  VaultsofCyrodiil.esp
5F  za_bankmod.esp
60  24HrArenaAliveV2Towers.esp
61  DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
62  DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.4]
63  SM Plugin Refurbish - Battlehorn.esp  [Version 1.2]
64  DLCfrostcrag.esp
65  Kvatch Rebuilt_Frostcrag Reborn.esp
66  SM Plugin Refurbish - FrostCrag.esp  [Version 1.2]
67  Knights.esp
68  Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp  [Version 1.0.9]
++  SM Plugin Refurbish - Knights.esp  [Version 1.06]
69  TOTF.esp
++  TOTF Delayer.esp
6A  The Lost Spires.esp
6B  Lost Paladins of the Divines.esp
6C  HoarfrostCastle.esp
6D  Shadowcrest_Vineyard_COBL.esp
6E  Enhanced Daedric Invasion.esp
++  EDI - Aggression Fix.esp
6F  HeartOftheDead.esp  [Version 6.2]
70  XulEntiusGorge.esp
71  xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp  [Version 1.2.1]
72  xulBravilBarrowfields.esp  [Version 1.3.2]
73  xulLushWoodlands.esp  [Version 1.3]
74  HoarfrostCastle-LushWoodlands patch.esp
75  xulAncientRedwoods.esp  [Version 1.6]
76  xulCloudtopMountains.esp  [Version 1.0.3]
77  xulArriusCreek.esp  [Version 1.1.3]
78  xulPatch_AY_AC.esp  [Version 1.1]
79  HeartoftheDead-ArriusCreek patch.esp
7A  xulRollingHills_EV.esp  [Version 1.3.2]
7B  xulRiverEthe.esp  [Version 1.0.2]
7C  xulImperialIsle.esp  [Version 1.6.3]
7D  xulCheydinhalFalls.esp  [Version 1.0.1]
7E  TearsOfTheFiend-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
7F  KvatchRebuilt-CheydinhalFalls patch.esp
80  Reaper's Arcane University.esp
81  JQ-Fighters_Guild_United.esp
82  Harvest [Flora].esp  [Version 3.0.0]
++  Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
++  Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
83  Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp  [Version 3.0.0]
84  DZ_Auto_Harvest.esp
85  Bag of Holding.esp  [Version 1.4.0]
++  GuilesScrollRenamer.esp
++  goblin_war_party.esp
86  ImprovedSoulgems.esp  [Version 1.11]
87  Thieves Guild Quest Souvenirs.esp
88  Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp  [Version 3.08]
++  SRJIrresponsibleHorses.esp
89  Wrye Shivering Death.esp  [Version 05]
8A  Quest Award Leveller.esp  [Version 2.0.1]
8B  Quest Award Leveller - Vile Lair.esp  [Version 2.1.0]
++  Quest Award Leveller - Mehrunes Razor.esp  [Version 2.1.0]
8C  Quest Award Leveller - Knights of the Nine.esp  [Version 2.1.0]
8D  LTDVampireOverhaul.esp
8E  Elemental Horses.esp
8F  RD-HeavensWrath-v1-1-Easy.esp
90  SupremeMagicka.esp  [Version 0.90]
91  SM_ShiveringIsles.esp  [Version 0.86]
++  SM_DLCSpellTome.esp  [Version 0.80]
++  SM_OOO.esp  [Version 0.89]
++  SM_COBL.esp  [Version 0.86]
92  SM_EnchantStaff.esp  [Version 0.80]
++  SM_Scrolls.esp  [Version 0.84]
++  SM_SigilStone.esp  [Version 0.83]
93  MidasSpells.esp
94  Midas OscuroGems.esp
++  Midas Betterholy.esp
++  Midas Reduced Costs 3 Quarters.esp
++  Midas PowDur2x.esp
++  Midas Eldrich Power 4x.esp
++  Midas Tigernolevel OBSE.esp
95  Midas BeastFortify Fix OBSE.esp
++  Health_Spell_Cost-2088.esp
96  Enchantment Enhanced.esp
97  SM Combat Hide.esp  [Version 1.2]
98  StealthOverhaul.esp
99  Stealth Entrances v1.esp
9A  Thievery_Easy_Thrill.esp
9B  IThieveryRaiseVeryHard.esp
9C  No psychic guards v1.2.esp
9D  mighty_bows_arrows_recovery.esp
9E  Druid.esp
9F  Smarter Mercantile Leveling - Multi.esp
A0  actors_in_charge.esp
A1  ActorsInMadness.esp
++  Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag Reborn.esp  [Version 0.76]
A2  ElaborateEyes-RensBeautyPackFull.esp
A3  AinmhiRace-RensBeautyPackFull.esp
A4  DAAragorn.esp
A5  DAAltair.esp
A6  DATalitha.esp
A7  Cobl Races.esp  [Version 1.52]
A8  DynamicTimescale.esp
++  Detect Life Shader [New].esp
A9  Visually Enchanted Drains 1.esp
++  Visually Enchanted Fire 3.esp
++  Visually Enchanted Frost 3.esp
++  Visually Enchanted Shock 2.esp
AA  Visually Enchanted SoulTrap 1.esp
++  DeadlierDarkBrotherHood.esp
++  SM_DeadlyReflex.esp  [Version 0.86]
++  Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp  [Version 1.53]
AB  Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp  [Version 01]
AC  ImpeREAL Shops - Restock empty Counters & Display Tables - Merged.esp
AD  CrystalStaffsOnOrderPriests.esp
AE  Thieves Leather.esp
AF  Tyrael Wings.esp
B0  AXR Elixirs.esp
++  JewelryEnchantmentFixes.esp
B1  Veshnakar's Mysticism Spellpack V1.2.esp
B2  Female Assassins Creed - Altair's Gear -  EV.esp
B3  Archers Arrows 1.1.esp
B4  DN13_Male_Partners.esp
B5  Magic Bashed patch.esp
B6  Sane_Weights3.esp
++  Sane Weights AA Edition.esp
B7  DeadlyReflex 5 - Combat Moves.esp

[Striker879]

Do you have any de-activated mods still located in you Data folder. You are getting close to the 255 mod limit, and Oblivion will still see those de-activated mods. This will put you over the limit. Move the de-activated mods outside your Oblivion directory.

[niccolo]

Yeah, I know that...

 

Wrye Bash has a function to "Ghost" deactivated ESPs, hiding them from Oblivion. It also 'ghosts' every one of the ESPs marked by a ++ sign; these have their effects and properties merged into the bashed patch (Called the "Magic Bashed Patch"). It's a way of compressing a stack of tiny changes that each take up a slot into one ESP.

[Striker879]

OK ... I got that one from watching Hickory here working his magic. You're probably way more advanced than I at the ins and outs of Wrye Bash ... afraid I won't be of much help.

[MarkInMKUK]

One file that proved problematic for me was the Better Cities equivalent of "ImpeREAL City Unique Districts - All the Districts Visible From Cyrodiil.esp". Certainly it caused problems til after I re-ran the TES4LODgen, so that may be worth running.

 

If you look at the FCOM Superpack forum page, and find the installation instructions, they deliberately disabl;e OOO in one or two of the Wrye Bash merges to make things play nice - again, try it and see what happens.

 

Nothing blindingly obvious though :(

[niccolo]

Okay, I suspect I might have found something.

 

Somewhere down the line, OBMM thought it would be funny to activate both the COBL and non-COBL version of an ESP. Not quite sure why yet; the -ahem- interrogation of my computer is still taking place.

 

Also, a bunch of ESPs were in a strange order... parents placed after children and the like. Man, BOSS just doesn't like me sometimes.

 

EDIT: Nope, nope... that didn't quite work. Back to the hammer.

 

EDIT EDIT: Well there you go. It's working again. Shows all I had to do was threaten my computer with defenestration. I swear, you spend almost as much time getting new mods to work as you do playing them.

Edited March 10, 2011 by niccolo