Marxist ßastard Posted February 14, 2007 Share Posted February 14, 2007 The priority here is speed and overall game performance, not the flavor-of-the-month in the novice magazines [from 2004].I'm glad you finally came to your senses and decided to cede your point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tessera Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 The priority here is speed and overall game performance, not the flavor-of-the-month in the novice magazines [from 2004].I'm glad you finally came to your senses and decided to cede your point. And how did I do that, exactly..? My senses are fine. So are nVidia's. Yours, I'm not so sure about. Try to relax. This is a tech support forum, not a place to mislead people who are trying to get help with their problems. Kindly take your personal conflicts elsewhere, so that these folks can get the help that they need... without any confusing side-issues being thrown at them by you and your agenda. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marxist ßastard Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Yes, Tessera. Everyone's out to get you. I'm out to get you. Ars Technica is out to get you. Anandtech is out to get you. Storage Review is out to get you. Every single person who stopped recommending RAID 0 after the fad ended in 2004 is out to get you. For that matter, the forces of time itself are out to get you. Logic, too. The ringleader is your nextdoor neighbor's dog. Nope, nothing I or the sources I've cited have said has any logical backing whatsoever. We're all just trying to make you feel bad about yourself --- because this isn't about power supplies, nor is it about Dell, nor is it about RAID 0. This is all about you, as is everything else in the universe. Anyone who disagrees with you is just acting on a personal vendetta against you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Switch Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Oookay, well, this seems to have all got a little off track, either find some way to get back on-topic or let the thread die. And your posts are getting rather trolley MB, please cut it out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Tessera Posted February 15, 2007 Share Posted February 15, 2007 Yes, Tessera. Everyone's out to get you. I'm out to get you. Ars Technica is out to get you. Anandtech is out to get you. Storage Review is out to get you. Every single person who stopped recommending RAID 0 after the fad ended in 2004 is out to get you. For that matter, the forces of time itself are out to get you. Logic, too. The ringleader is your nextdoor neighbor's dog. Anyone who disagrees with you is just acting on a personal vendetta against you. ROFL. Dude... get a grip. Seriously. :rolleyes: Errrm, thanks Switch. I think the topic was already settled, anyway. My suggestion for computer builders who are looking for upgrades would be to research everything fully, before making any buying decisions. For gaming rigs, the nVidia site that I listed in an earlier post is a great place to start. Just don't try to learn a whole lot from online parts catalogs. Many of the specs and recommendations on those sites are misleadingly skewed, in order to sell more of a particular product. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marxist ßastard Posted February 16, 2007 Share Posted February 16, 2007 Just don't try to learn a whole lot from online parts catalogs. Many of the specs and recommendations on those sites are misleadingly skewed, in order to sell more of a particular product.Yeah. To tell you the truth, sometimes they read more like nVidia SLI advertisement websites than actual system guides. The actual nVidia advertisement, however? Great place to start. Highly recommended. You're sure to get unbiased information there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jem 2 Posted February 18, 2007 Author Share Posted February 18, 2007 All banter aside there is some very useful info hear for all upgrade beginner's and two very good opinion's put across. Tessera is very supportive and patent, also very technical. Marxist male without a father tells it as it is, and lives up to his name. Both very helpful supporters of this sight, which i have recommended to many of my friends. Thanks again :D http://www.pcspecialist.co.uk/ I found these guys and need your opinion's ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Abramul Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 From looking at the relevant Wikipedia articles (1) (2), it appears that:1) RAID 0 is not a RAID.2) Mß was right about the failure rate.3) It would be good to check whether a given mainboard uses hardware or software control. Not sure which would be better for Oblivion, but I would guess hardware control would be better. Would it be better to use a RAID 1? It appears that it would give the same performance boost, but sacrifice increased space for redundancy. (Split to new thread?) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Switch Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 Tessera's post removed. Your inability to follow the simple rules that have been laid down on these forums is truly astounding. You're an intelligent bloke, why won't you just stick to them? Marxist male without a father hasn't actually broken any rules with his posts, as he has not personally insulted you (unlike the barrage of personal insults in your post), I was trying to do you a favour by coming here and asking him to cool his jets. Though it seems he still had to get a bit of a jab in. And I do ask you to stop doing that Marxist, especially since you know that it annoys Tessera. You're toeing the line between jabbing and all out trolling. You're not immune to strikes just because you've been a long standing member here. Tessera, if you feel the need to blatantly break flaming rules, then take it to PM. As part of our "zero tolerance policy" we're employing now due to your recent behaviour, this is strike 1. Your next offence will lead to strike 2, and then the next strike 3 and a ban. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marxist ßastard Posted February 18, 2007 Share Posted February 18, 2007 It would be good to check whether a given mainboard uses hardware or software control. Not sure which would be better for Oblivion, but I would guess hardware control would be better.That touches on my point number 4. Hardware control means the given mainboard or add-in card has enough processing power to handle its own requests, but I think you may need to dish out a good bit of coin for that. Software control means your hardware is starved for processing power, and so it has to use the system processor to coordinate its I/O activities. As I said, this can mean that if an application is reading data and manipulating it at the same time, the RAID array and the application will compete for processor time --- and since cell loading is (counter-intuitively) a CPU-limited process, that will further cut into the theoretical load time decrease associated with RAID 0. However, neither of these are to be confused with pure software RAID. That's your option if you don't have any RAID hardware at all in the system. In this setup, everything is done within the operating system, at about the driver level. As you could expect, it's no picnic in terms of performance. Would it be better to use a RAID 1? It appears that it would give the same performance boost, but sacrifice increased space for redundancy.It depends on what you're willing to pay, how much space you're willing to sacrifice to guard against data loss, and the potential source of this data loss in the first place. If your main concern is getting your computer taken over by the Russian mafia, or deleting data that shouldn't have been deleted, RAID 1 won't help with that. Whatever the computer writes to one drive is mirrored to all the others instantly, and thus the virus or deletion will be on your backup as well. Although what Tessera said about backups was hopelessly idealistic, it was also good advice if taken that way --- and believe me, comrade, I should know. Good incremental backups would do a much better job at mitigating the risks that a normal desktop user would face, and they would take up less space since you've got the option of compression and can select what needs to be backed up in the first place. RAID 1 is mostly for people who want their system to just plain keep running, even if a hard drive catches fire or Cthulu demands a sacrifice of 4 sectors from the I/O controller. Performance-wise, just as RAID 0 will be (at best) a negligible gain when it comes to reading, RAID 1 would be a negligible loss when it comes to writing. The main caveat here would be that every write to a RAID 1 array has to wait for the slowest drive in the array to copy down its data. If you're using the same make and model drive in all slots of the array, all the drives would finish at around the same time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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