Any way to fix random crashes when running a truckload of mods?

[kazaakas]

So I have come to the discovery that as you keep installing more and more mods, Oblivion automatically will become less stable over time. If I understand this correctly, seems that the community has accepted this fact and the best way is just to save often so that if your game crashes after a couple of hours, you do not lose much progress.

 

Last June, I spent over a week of my time modding my Oblivion game, carefully using BAIN for every mod and utilizing Wrye Bash for merges and imports and religiously checking for known mod compatibility problems. Unfortunately though, after installing more and more mods, my game became very unstable, and no matter which mods I temporarily uninstall to find the culprit, it just keeps crashing. And by this I do not mean crashing after a few hours. It always crashes after 2 or three cell changes, usually about one quarter through a load screen from opening a door. I tried so many things already, including trying out all kinds of different heap types and heap sizes in OSR, new save games... nothing worked. Needless to say I gave up on the whole game because of this, but now it's itching again for me to play. I really have all my favorite mods installed and it just feels like I'm finally there, but those crashes... man :sad:

 

By the way I also believe that my machine is quite adequate to run this game with many heavy mods (i7 [email protected], GTX 970, 16GB ram, fast SSD, yadayadayada). But right now I'm wondering wether I've just exceeded Oblivions limit on what it can stand in terms of modding or not. I don't run hundreds of different mods, but the ones I do run are quite heavy.

 

In summary I'm running:

 

• All unofficial patches + DLC's
• OSR
• A combination of quite a few texture mods, including QTP3, Bomret SI textures, a terrain texture pack, several clutter texture packs (jewellry and signs and stuff), an armor and a weapon texture pack, oblicion character overhaul and a creature texture pack
• Full FCOM
• Complete UL
• Complete Better Cities
• Several sound/music mods
• Lots of immersion/graphics mods: Weather All Natural, Natural Environments, AWLS, Landscape LOD, Immersive Interiors, Cava Obscura, Let There Be Darkness, ENB
• Some compatibility stuff like OMOBS and COBL
• Some game mechanics stuff like Stealth overhaul, sneak detection recalibrated, realistic ragdolls and force, crime has witnesses, realistic leveling
• Several quest mods

 

Complete list can be seen here (I already removed a few quest mods and their corresponding compatibility patches here, but they made no change in crashing, I think they were Ruined Tail's Tale, Tears of the Fiend, Lost Spires and Heart of the Dead):

 

00 Oblivion.esm
01 Jog_X_Mod.esm
02 All Natural Base.esm [Version 1.34]
03 Francesco's Leveled Creatures-Items Mod.esm [Version 5.0]
04 Francesco's Optional New Items Add-On.esm [Version 5.0]
05 Cobl Main.esm [Version 1.73]
06 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esm [Version 1.35Beta]
07 Mart's Monster Mod.esm [Version 3.8b1]
08 TamrielTravellers.esm [Version 1.39c]
09 FCOM_Convergence.esm [Version 0.9.9MB8b1]
0A Better Cities Resources.esm [Version 5.5.3]
0B SDR.esm [Version 8.250]
0C RealisticLeveling.esm
++ GrassFix.esp
0D Unofficial Oblivion Patch.esp [Version 3.5.2]
++ Oblivion Citadel Door Fix.esp
0E DLCShiveringIsles.esp
0F Unofficial Shivering Isles Patch.esp [Version 1.5.6]
10 Better Cities .esp
11 Francesco's Creatures and Items Resources.esp [Version 5.0]
12 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Bosses.esp [Version 5.0]
13 Francesco's Optional Chance of Stronger Enemies.esp [Version 5.0]
14 Francesco's Optional Chance of More Enemies.esp [Version 5.0]
15 Francesco's Optional Leveled Guards.esp [Version 5.0]
++ FCOM_Francescos.esp [Version 0.9.9MB8b1]
++ FCOM_FrancescosItemsAddOn.esp [Version 0.9.9MB8b1]
16 FCOM_FrancescosNamedBosses.esp [Version 0.9.9MB8b1]
17 Natural_Habitat_by_Max_Tael.esp
18 All Natural.esp [Version 1.35]
19 All Natural - SI.esp [Version 1.35]
++ All Natural - MMM Patch.esp [Version 1.3]
1A Immersive Interiors.esp [Version 0.8.1]
1B Immersive Interiors - Landscape Addon.esp
1C Natural_Water_by_Max_Tael.esp
1D Better Bell Sounds.esp
++ Symphony of Violence.esp
1E Atmospheric Oblivion.esp
1F Side's EAX Control.esp [Version 1.0]
20 Sounds of Cyrodiil.esp [Version 1.1]
21 OBSE-Storms & Sound SI.esp
22 Troy_HeartbeatBreath.esp
23 Rainbows.esp
24 All Natural - Real Lights.esp [Version 1.35]
25 WindowLightingSystem.esp
26 Book Jackets Oblivion.esp
27 ClocksOfCyrodiil_BC_OBC_OC_OCLR_Vanilla.esp [Version 5.5.0]
++ Cyrodilic Brandy.esp
28 ImprovedSigns.esp
29 Inebriation.esp
2A PTFallingStars.esp
2B Purge Cell Buffers - Loading.esp [Version 1.0.0]
2C HouseMapMarkers.esp
2D DLCHorseArmor.esp
** DLCHorseArmor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.8]
2E DLCOrrery.esp
2F DLCOrrery - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.6]
30 DLCVileLair.esp
** DLCVileLair - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.10]
31 DLCMehrunesRazor.esp
32 DLCMehrunesRazor - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.7]
33 Sounds of Cyrodiil - Mehrune's Razor Add-On.esp [Version 1.0]
34 DLCSpellTomes.esp
++ DLCSpellTomes - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.1]
35 DLCSpellTomes - OBSEfixer.esp
** Book Jackets DLC.esp
** GrimbotsSpellTomes.esp
++ CM_Better Wine.esp
36 Thieves Arsenal.esp
37 DLCThievesDen.esp
38 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.13]
39 DLCThievesDen - Unofficial Patch - SSSB.esp [Version 1.0.13]
3A Sounds of Cyrodiil - Thieves' Den Add-On.esp [Version 1.0]
3B Cobl Glue.esp [Version 1.73]
3C Cobl Si.esp [Version 1.63]
3D Bob's Armory Oblivion.esp
3E FCOM_BobsArmory.esp [Version 0.9.9MB8b1]
3F Oblivion WarCry EV.esp [Version 1.09]
40 FCOM_WarCry.esp [Version 0.9.9MB8b1]
41 Oscuro's_Oblivion_Overhaul.esp [Version 1.35Beta]
** OMOBS_SI.esp [Version 2.0]
42 OOO 1.32-Cobl.esp [Version 1.72]
43 FCOM_Convergence.esp [Version 0.9.9Mb8b1]
++ FCOM_EntropicOrderRebalance.esp [Version 0.9.9beta2]
44 FCOM_RealSwords.esp [Version 0.9.9MB8]
45 Mart's Monster Mod - More Wilderness Life.esp [Version 3.8b1]
46 Mart's Monster Mod - Extra Wounding.esp [Version 3.8b1]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Looting NPCs & Creatures.esp [Version 3.8b1]
47 Mart's Monster Mod - Dungeons of MMM.esp [Version 3.8b1]
48 Mart's Monster Mod - Hunting & Crafting.esp [Version 3.7b7]
49 Mart's Monster Mod - Farm Animals.esp [Version 3.8b1]
4A Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse WaterLife.esp [Version 3.8b1]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Runeskulls Loot OOO.esp [Version 3.8b1]
4B TamrielTravellers4OOO.esp [Version 1.39c]
++ TamrielTravellersItemsNPC.esp [Version 1.39c]
4C TamrielTravellersItemsCobl.esp [Version 1.39c]
++ FCOM_TamrielTravelers.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_DiverseGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ FCOM_BobsGuardUnity.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Wisp and VASE Addon.esp [Version 3.8b1]
4D Mart's Monster Mod - Diverse Creatures Expansion.esp [Version 3.8b1]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - RadiantAITweaks.esp
4E Mart's Monster Mod - Mummies.esp
** FCOM_FriendlierFactions.esp [Version 0.9.9]
++ Mart's Monster Mod - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.8b1]
++ MMM-Cobl.esp [Version 1.73]
4F Weapon Expansion Pack for Oblivion Nthusiasts.esp [Version 1.03]
50 ICEXPAND.esp [Version 5.5.0]
51 OldCrowInn.esp [Version 5.5.0]
52 thievery.esp
53 VaultsofCyrodiil.esp [Version 5.5.0]
54 DLCBattlehornCastle.esp
55 DLCBattlehornCastle - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.10]
56 DLCFrostcrag.esp
** DLCFrostcrag - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.0.9]
57 DLCFrostcragReborn.esp [Version 1.4.7]
58 FrostcragRebornCobl.esp
59 Knights.esp
** Knights - Book Jackets.esp
5A Knights - Unofficial Patch.esp [Version 1.1.6]
5B Sounds of Cyrodiil - KOTN Add-on.esp [Version 1.0]
** DLC_MOBS.esp [Version 2.0]
++ FCOM_Knights.esp [Version 0.9.9MB8b1]
5C xuldarkforest.esp [Version 1.0.5]
5D xulStendarrValley.esp [Version 1.2.2]
5E xulTheHeath.esp
5F xulEntiusGorge.esp [Version 1.2.1]
60 xulFallenleafEverglade.esp [Version 1.3.1]
61 xulColovianHighlands_EV.esp [Version 1.2.2]
62 Trails Of Cyrodiil Merged UL Colovian Highlands.esp
63 xulChorrolHinterland.esp [Version 1.2.3]
64 xulBeachesOfCyrodiilLostCoast.esp [Version 1.6.5]
65 xulBravilBarrowfields.esp [Version 1.3.5]
66 xulLushWoodlands.esp [Version 1.3.3]
67 xulAncientYews.esp [Version 1.4.4]
68 xulAncientRedwoods.esp [Version 1.6]
69 xulCloudtopMountains.esp [Version 1.0.3]
6A xulArriusCreek.esp [Version 1.1.4]
6B xulPatch_AY_AC.esp [Version 1.1]
6C xulRollingHills_EV.esp [Version 1.3.3]
6D xulPantherRiver.esp
6E xulRiverEthe.esp [Version 1.0.2]
6F xulBrenaRiverRavine.esp [Version 1.1.1]
70 xulImperialIsle.esp [Version 1.6.8]
71 xulBlackwoodForest.esp [Version 1.1.1]
72 xulCheydinhalFalls.esp [Version 1.0.1]
73 xulAspenWood.esp [Version 1.0.3]
74 xulSkingradOutskirts.esp [Version 1.0.2]
75 xulSnowdale.esp [Version 1.0.6]
76 FrostcragReborn-Snowdale patch.esp
++ OOO-Snowdale Patch.esp [Version 1.1]
77 xulCliffsOfAnvil.esp [Version 1.1.3]
78 OOO-CliffsOfAnvil patch.esp [Version 1.2]
79 MMMDungeons-CliffsOfAnvil patch.esp [Version 1.0]
7A xulSilverfishRiverValley.esp [Version 1.0.4]
7B xulJerallGlacier.esp [Version 1.0.2]
7C OOO-JerallGlacier patch.esp [Version 1.0]
7D xulTheEasternPeaks.esp [Version 1.2]
7E TOC MergedCH-ULMaster Patch.esp
7F ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts.esp
** ImpeREAL Empire - Unique Forts - OOO FCOM patch by Xtudo.esp
++ ImpeREAL Forts + Silverfish River Patch.esp
80 Salmo the Baker, Cobl.esp [Version 3.08]
81 Harvest [Flora].esp [Version 3.0.0]
++ Harvest [Flora] - Shivering Isles.esp [Version 3.0.0]
++ NoHFailure_HFlora_SE.esp
++ Harvest [Flora] - DLCVileLair.esp [Version 3.0.0]
++ Harvest [Flora] - DLCFrostcrag.esp [Version 3.0.0]
++ Visually Realistic Deadly Lava.esp
82 Better Dungeons.esp
++ BrighterTorches_v1.2.esp
83 Dungeon Actors Have Torches 1.6 CT.esp
84 Exterior Actors Have Torches 1.3 CT.esp
++ Improved Fires and Flames - Increased Sound.esp
85 ImprovedSoulgems.esp [Version 1.11]
86 SnusDungeons.esp
87 SnusDungeons - OOO patch.esp
88 SnusDungeons - BD patch.esp
++ SnusDungeons - WeatherAllNatural Patch.esp
89 upperGothicClutter.esp
8A RealisticForceHigh.esp
8B RefScope.esp [Version 2.1.2]
8C sycHearNoEvil.esp [Version 1.0]
8D kuerteeCrimeHasWitnesses.esp
8E Enhanced Grabbing.esp [Version 0.5]
8F Duke Patricks - Near Miss Magic And Arrows Alert The Target.esp [Version 7.1]
++ Let There Be Darkness - Cyrodiil + SI.esp
++ Let There Be Darkness - Knights.esp
++ Let There Be Darkness - Mehrunes Razor.esp
** Cava Obscura - Cyrodiil.esp
** Cava Obscura - SI.esp
** Cava Obscura - Filter Patch For Mods.esp
++ Item interchange - Extraction.esp [Version 0.76]
++ Item interchange - Placement for FCOM.esp [Version 0.76]
++ Item interchange - Placement for Frostcrag Reborn.esp [Version 0.78]
90 Oblivion_Character_Overhaul.esp [Version 2.0]
++ SDR_Oblivion.esp [Version 8.230]
** Better Cities Full.esp [Version 5.5.3]
91 Better Imperial City.esp [Version 5.5.3]
++ Better Cities - All Natural.esp [Version 5.5.0]
++ Better Cities - Unique Landscape Barrowfields.esp [Version 1.3]
** Better Cities - Unique Landscape Chorrol Hinterland.esp [Version 1.3]
** Better Cities - Unique Landscape Cheydinhal Falls.esp [Version 1.4]
++ Better Cities - MOBS.esp [Version 5.5.3]
++ Better Cities - Unique Landscape Panther River patch.esp [Version 1.4]
++ Better Cities - Unique Landscape Skingrad Outskirts.esp [Version 5.3.0]
++ Better Cities - Storms & Sound.esp [Version 5.5.0]
92 Better Cities - Thievery.esp [Version 5.5.0]
++ Better Imperial City FPS Patch.esp [Version 5.5.1a]
++ Better Cities - COBL.esp [Version 5.5.0]
++ Better Cities - Unique Landscape Imperial Isle.esp [Version 5.3.0]
++ FCOM_BetterCities-Bravil.esp [Version 5.5.0]
** [GFX]_Initial_Glow-self.esp
++ kuerteeEffectDrainShaderInitialGlowOnly.esp
93 Shining Creatures.esp [Version 1.2]
++ Shining Creatures_DLCFrostcrag.esp
++ Cobl Filter Late MERGE ONLY.esp [Version 1.53]
94 Cobl Silent Equip Misc.esp [Version 01]
** All Natural - Indoor Weather Filter For Mods.esp [Version 1.35]
++ PalePassIce.esp
95 Bashed Patch, 0.esp
96 Maskar's Oblivion Overhaul.esp [Version 4.5.3]

 

 

So, is this just too much? Have there been people that have succesfully played on an installation with all kinds of heavy mods combined, such as FCOM+BC+UL+QTP3? Or should I continue looking for incompatibilities?

Would love to hear some input on this...

[shinobi2008]

Looks like your mod list is quite similar to mine except that I use MOO solely instead of using FCOM together. I gave up on using FCOM while also using BC and UL. As you might have noticed, FCOM adds tons of spawn points which means more NPCs actively fighting or moving about. This also means more AI processing which will strain your CPU. Also keep in mind there's a limit on how many mods you can install before the game becomes unresponsive. IIRC, it's 255 mods. Also there's hard limit of 400 files in your data folder that includes all esm/esp and BSAs. Ghosting feature from Wrye Bash will help somewhat but there's a limit to that tool can do so much. My suggestion would be to trim down any mods that you can drop if other mods can do the same job for you. I.e you can probably drop Dungeon Actors have Torches.esp and Exterior Actors have Torches.esp then simply tweak the ini from MOO to do the same thing. Don't be greedy grabbing all the mods; that's asking for disaster. Good luck and have fun modding.

[superpowermindo]

Omg I am having the EXACT same problem as you. I tried disabling Better Cities, and it did fix some of my crashes, however I am still crashing like mad after 2-3 cell changes and I don't know what is wrong... I am now downloading optimized QTP3 textures and some other optimization mods, and will see if those will fix it. It just seems to me that the game can't handle all the stuff I threw at it, so I need to make sacrifices. I am convinced that a FCOM + BC + UL installation is just too goddamn unstable and impossible to pull off, but even with BC disabled, I am still getting crashes. My Oblivion fever is slowly fading away because I've hit a wall and don't know what to do. Shame, I wanted to play it so much before Fallout 4...

Edited September 29, 2015 by superpowermindo

[superpowermindo]

Ok so I came up with a fix. So far my game has been stable. The key is to set OSR settings accordingly. Set the heap algorithm to 5, and the size to 600. That did the trick.

[kazaakas]

Ok so I came up with a fix. So far my game has been stable. The key is to set OSR settings accordingly. Set the heap algorithm to 5, and the size to 600. That did the trick.

Good to hear. Unfortunately that's something I've already tried and it didn't work for my setup..

 

Don't be greedy grabbing all the mods; that's asking for disaster. Good luck and have fun modding.

Yes, that is very true. I've learned that the hard way...

[MarcoArecibo]

Try http://www.nexusmods.com/oblivion/mods/44985/?. I too was having crashes (very likely memory related) even though my modlist was impeccable was running OSR AND OR's purger, etc.

Edited October 10, 2015 by MarcoArecibo