Merged patch question

[Matt714]

When I try to add a merged patch to my load order; when the game loads, it does not allow to skip the cut scenes, and it ultimately crashes. However, this does not happen when I don't make a merged patch, or unselect it. In fact, it runs quite stable. Very or no crashes. What could be the cause, and the fix for that matter?

 

My load order, a bit of mess (LOOT) but I don't think it's the problem:

 

Fallout3.esm

Anchorage.esm

ThePitt.esm

BrokenSteel.esm

PointLookout.esm

Zeta.esm

Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch.esm

CALIBR.esm

FOOK2 - Main.ESM

FOOK2 - [DIK] DLC Improvement Kit.ESM

Imperfection.esm

Mart's Mutant Mod.esm

Gangs Of The Wasteland.esm

ArefuExpandedByAzar.esm

Project Beauty.esm

DCInteriors_ComboEdition.esm

EVE.esm

Mothership Crew.esm

Enhanced Weather - Rain and Snow.esm

AWorldOfPainFO3.esm

Vault 101 Revisited.esm

Xepha's Dynamic Weather.esm

Crowded Cities Redux.esm

CRAFT.esm

FOOK2 - Main.esp

FOOK2 - [DIK] DLC Improvement Kit.esp

MetroCars.esp

Fallout World Expansion.esp

BusworldV1.05d.esp

Realistic Interior Lighting.esp

WeaponModKits.esp

WeaponModKits - FOOK.esp

Blackened MMM + EVE + Project Beauty.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - Project Beauty.esp

MMM, FOOK2.esp

NME_Main.esp

BOE Diversified.esp

BOED BS Optional.esp

BOED TP.esp

FOOK2 - Project Beauty.esp

UniqueWeaponsRetextured.esp

BOED CFWR Plugin.esp

NME_DLC_Combined.esp

Project Beauty- Broken Steel.esp

FOOK - DIK - Project Beauty.esp

Fo3HirezdLincolnRepeater.esp

K9BreedsPatchDLCPitt.esp

Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Rain.esp

Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Sandstorms.esp

CrowdedCities, RefurbishDLC - patch.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - DC Interiors.esp

WeaponModKits - BrokenSteel.esp

WeaponModKits - Zeta.esp

WMKAA12Shotgun.esp

YearlingBooks.esp

Auto Aim Fix v1.1.esp

dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Green Tint Remover.esp

Easier_hacking_5_8.esp

MoreMapMarkers.esp

Rivet City Realignment.esp

The Mantis Imperative - Jello.esp

HeirApparent.esp

Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Main + DLC Merged.esp

WeaponModKits - ThePitt.esp

FO3 NPCs Travel.esp

FOOK2 - DIK [Hotfix].esp

The Mantis Imperative - Mantis.esp

K9Breeds.esp

K9BreedsPatchMMM.esp

WeaponModKits - OperationAnchorage.esp

WeaponModKits - PointLookout.esp

FOOK2 - Main [Hotfix].esp

Enhanced Weather - Rain and Snow in Fallout.esp

Enhanced Weather - Weather Sounds in Interiors.esp

lexx_brahmin-variant-Fo3.esp

Bobblehead Quest.esp

PLweightadjust.esp

NotSoFast.esp

Dogmeat Leather Armor - CRAFT.esp

K9BreedsMoreDogs.esp

Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Weather Machine (Quest Added).esp

Dragonskin Tactical Outfit.esp

BlackWolf Backpack.esp

BlackWolf Backpack - Vendor Script Replenish.esp

BlackWolf Backpack - Blank's Container Patch.esp

richvendors.esp

TimeScaleTo5.esp

PureWater-NoRad-.esp

NPC Height Randomizer Less Variance.esp

MMM, FOOK2 - DIK.esp

Project Beauty- Point Lookout.esp

MMM, FOOK2 - Natural Selection.esp

CASM.esp

WinterizedT51bDX.esp

Tribal_DX.esp

Sprint Mod.esp

DarNifiedUIF3.esp

Akira - Simple Silenced SMG.esp

ZL-ACR.esp

PlasmaRifleAwesomefiedWMK.esp

Flashlight-LOS.esp

Advanced Recon Range Finder.esp

Chems and Meds Re-Textures Pack.esp

BornAgain Outcast v3.esp

FeralGhoulTest.esp

DragonskinBonusPack.esp

FO3_WRP.esp

Millenia_AKS74U.esp

Busworld and DCInteriors compatibility.esp

Imperfection - Broken Steel.esp

Millenia_AK47_replacer.esp

Millenia_CombatShotgun_replacer.esp

BOE Diversified Optional.esp

BOED Power Armor Scaling.esp

M64MiniHideout.esp

IntoTheDeepWoods.esp

BOED BS.esp

Imperfection - PL Giants.esp

M64MiniHideoutGOTYplugin.esp

Bornagain Zeta Combat Armor Texture Patch.esp

BOED OA.esp

32S&W.esp

Existence 2.0.esp

Millenia_C96_replacer.esp

RubblePilesFix.esp

Flora Overhaul.esp

Fo3HirezdFlamer.esp

Fo3HirezdMinigun.esp

JIP Selective-Fire.esp

DCInteriors_NMCTPPatch.esp

majormodder's Junk Food to Barbeque Crisps.esp

Total active plugins: 132

Total plugins: 132

 

[gromulos]

I can tell by looking at your load order you either did not use LOOT correctly or you are still using BOSS which has not been updated since May 2014 and is GROSSLY out of date. Just by looking at your FOOK files I can tell this. You need to follow the load order instructions for FOOK on it's description page, this applies to all mods in your load order.

 

Also, are you using Wrye Flash and FO3Edit? if you are not then that is 2 more reason why you are having problems with your load order.

 

A merged patch can be daunting for someone who is not entirely familiar with how they work while a BASHED patch from Wrye flash is just about the easiest patch file you can make. The bashed patch is almost entirely automatic where as the merged patch isn't.

 

With a large load order like that i would suggest trying my guide STEP by STEP and see if it resolves your problems - http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/2247384-fallout-3-beginners-guide-to-modding/

Edited October 5, 2015 by gromulos

[Matt714]

Thanks for your input. Currently looking at manually editing the load order.

 

The game runs fine if I don't create a merged patch.

 

I am using LOOT. Tried re-installing, always gives the same results.

 

Also have FO3 edit, will run it to look compatibility.

[gromulos]

try my guide it has helped a LOT of people

[Matt714]

Thanks that helped a lot.

 

New load order *removed 1 redundant plugin;

 

Fallout3.esm

Anchorage.esm

ThePitt.esm

BrokenSteel.esm

PointLookout.esm

Zeta.esm

Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch.esm

CALIBR.esm

Imperfection.esm

Project Beauty.esm

EVE.esm

Mart's Mutant Mod.esm

Gangs Of The Wasteland.esm

ArefuExpandedByAzar.esm

DCInteriors_ComboEdition.esm

Mothership Crew.esm

Enhanced Weather - Rain and Snow.esm

AWorldOfPainFO3.esm

Vault 101 Revisited.esm

Xepha's Dynamic Weather.esm

Crowded Cities Redux.esm

CRAFT.esm

FOOK2 - Main.ESM

FOOK2 - [DIK] DLC Improvement Kit.ESM

CASM.esp

DarNifiedUIF3.esp

WeaponModKits.esp

FOOK2 - Main.esp

FOOK2 - [DIK] DLC Improvement Kit.esp

FOOK2 - Main [Hotfix].esp

FOOK2 - DIK [Hotfix].esp

WeaponModKits - OperationAnchorage.esp

WeaponModKits - ThePitt.esp

WeaponModKits - BrokenSteel.esp

WeaponModKits - PointLookout.esp

WeaponModKits - Zeta.esp

WeaponModKits - FOOK.esp

WMKAA12Shotgun.esp

MMM, FOOK2.esp

MMM, FOOK2 - DIK.esp

MMM, FOOK2 - Natural Selection.esp

Realistic Interior Lighting.esp

MetroCars.esp

Fallout World Expansion.esp

BusworldV1.05d.esp

UniqueWeaponsRetextured.esp

Fo3HirezdLincolnRepeater.esp

K9BreedsPatchDLCPitt.esp

Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Rain.esp

Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Sandstorms.esp

CrowdedCities, RefurbishDLC - patch.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - DC Interiors.esp

YearlingBooks.esp

Auto Aim Fix v1.1.esp

dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Green Tint Remover.esp

Easier_hacking_5_8.esp

Enhanced Weather - Rain and Snow in Fallout.esp

Enhanced Weather - Weather Sounds in Interiors.esp

richvendors.esp

TimeScaleTo5.esp

NPC Height Randomizer Less Variance.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - Project Beauty.esp

NME_Main.esp

NME_DLC_Combined.esp

MoreMapMarkers.esp

Rivet City Realignment.esp

The Mantis Imperative - Jello.esp

HeirApparent.esp

Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Main + DLC Merged.esp

FO3 NPCs Travel.esp

The Mantis Imperative - Mantis.esp

K9Breeds.esp

K9BreedsPatchMMM.esp

lexx_brahmin-variant-Fo3.esp

Bobblehead Quest.esp

PLweightadjust.esp

NotSoFast.esp

Dogmeat Leather Armor - CRAFT.esp

K9BreedsMoreDogs.esp

Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Weather Machine (Quest Added).esp

FOOK2 - Project Beauty.esp

Project Beauty- Broken Steel.esp

FOOK - DIK - Project Beauty.esp

Dragonskin Tactical Outfit.esp

BlackWolf Backpack.esp

BlackWolf Backpack - Vendor Script Replenish.esp

BlackWolf Backpack - Blank's Container Patch.esp

PureWater-NoRad-.esp

Project Beauty- Point Lookout.esp

WinterizedT51bDX.esp

Tribal_DX.esp

Sprint Mod.esp

Akira - Simple Silenced SMG.esp

ZL-ACR.esp

PlasmaRifleAwesomefiedWMK.esp

Flashlight-LOS.esp

Advanced Recon Range Finder.esp

Chems and Meds Re-Textures Pack.esp

BornAgain Outcast v3.esp

FeralGhoulTest.esp

DragonskinBonusPack.esp

FO3_WRP.esp

Millenia_AKS74U.esp

Busworld and DCInteriors compatibility.esp

Imperfection - Broken Steel.esp

Millenia_AK47_replacer.esp

Millenia_CombatShotgun_replacer.esp

M64MiniHideout.esp

M64MiniHideoutGOTYplugin.esp

IntoTheDeepWoods.esp

Imperfection - PL Giants.esp

Bornagain Zeta Combat Armor Texture Patch.esp

BOE Diversified.esp

BOE Diversified Optional.esp

BOED Power Armor Scaling.esp

BOED BS.esp

BOED BS Optional.esp

BOED OA.esp

BOED TP.esp

Blackened MMM + EVE + Project Beauty.esp

32S&W.esp

Existence 2.0.esp

Millenia_C96_replacer.esp

RubblePilesFix.esp

Flora Overhaul.esp

JIP Selective-Fire.esp

DCInteriors_NMCTPPatch.esp

Fo3HirezdFlamer.esp

Fo3HirezdMinigun.esp

majormodder's Junk Food to Barbeque Crisps.esp

Total active plugins: 131

Total plugins: 131

[gromulos]

your FOOK ESM's & ESP's are still NOT in the right place, READ the FOOK install order on the description page

 

Load Order without FOOK2 DIK:

Fallout3.esm
CALIBR.ESM
FOOK2 - Main.ESM
<---
<---mods that FOOK2 can override
<---
FOOK2 - Main.esp
FOOK2 - Main [Hotfix].esp
<---
<---mods that need to override FOOK2
<---

Load Order with DLCs and FOOK2 DIK:

Fallout3.esm
Anchorage.esm
ThePitt.esm
BrokenSteel.esm
PointLookout.esm
Zeta.esm
CALIBR.esm
FOOK2 - Main.ESM
FOOK2 - [DIK] DLC Improvement Kit.ESM
<---
<---mods that FOOK2 can override
<---
FOOK2 - Main.esp
FOOK2 - [DIK] DLC Improvement Kit.esp
FOOK2 - Main [Hotfix].esp
FOOK2 - DIK [Hotfix].esp
<---
<---mods that need to override FOOK2
<---

Edited October 6, 2015 by gromulos

[Matt714]

I followed the load order posted there, since I use the same mods: http://www.nexusmods.com/fallout3/mods/18269/?

 

Thanks for you help, though. :smile:

 

FO3 Edit does not show any incompatibilities, while Wrye Flash shows issues I'm unable to resolve with:

 

RED:

Project Beauty - Broken Steel.esp

Project Beauty - Point Lookout.esp

 

ORANGE (probably due to MMM Paradox):

MMM - FOOK2.esp

MMM - FOOK2 - DIK.esp

MMM - FOOK2 - Natural Selection.esp

 

Slight changes:

 

Fallout3.esm

Anchorage.esm

ThePitt.esm

BrokenSteel.esm

PointLookout.esm

Zeta.esm

Unofficial Fallout 3 Patch.esm

CALIBR.esm

FOOK2 - Main.ESM

FOOK2 - [DIK] DLC Improvement Kit.ESM

Project Beauty.esm

EVE.esm

Imperfection.esm

Mart's Mutant Mod.esm

Gangs Of The Wasteland.esm

DCInteriors_ComboEdition.esm

Mothership Crew.esm

Enhanced Weather - Rain and Snow.esm

Xepha's Dynamic Weather.esm

ArefuExpandedByAzar.esm

AWorldOfPainFO3.esm

Vault 101 Revisited.esm

Crowded Cities Redux.esm

CRAFT.esm

CASM.esp

DarNifiedUIF3.esp

WeaponModKits.esp

FOOK2 - Main.esp

FOOK2 - [DIK] DLC Improvement Kit.esp

FOOK2 - Main [Hotfix].esp

FOOK2 - DIK [Hotfix].esp

WeaponModKits - OperationAnchorage.esp

WeaponModKits - ThePitt.esp

WeaponModKits - BrokenSteel.esp

WeaponModKits - PointLookout.esp

WeaponModKits - Zeta.esp

WeaponModKits - FOOK.esp

WMKAA12Shotgun.esp

MMM, FOOK2.esp

MMM, FOOK2 - DIK.esp

MMM, FOOK2 - Natural Selection.esp

Realistic Interior Lighting.esp

BusworldV1.05d.esp

Fallout World Expansion.esp

MetroCars.esp

Busworld and DCInteriors compatibility.esp

UniqueWeaponsRetextured.esp

Fo3HirezdLincolnRepeater.esp

K9BreedsPatchDLCPitt.esp

CrowdedCities, RefurbishDLC - patch.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - DC Interiors.esp

YearlingBooks.esp

Auto Aim Fix v1.1.esp

dD - Enhanced Blood Main.esp

Easier_hacking_5_8.esp

Enhanced Weather - Rain and Snow in Fallout.esp

Enhanced Weather - Weather Sounds in Interiors.esp

Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Rain.esp

Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Sandstorms.esp

Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Green Tint Remover.esp

Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Weather Machine (Quest Added).esp

richvendors.esp

TimeScaleTo5.esp

NPC Height Randomizer Less Variance.esp

Mart's Mutant Mod - Project Beauty.esp

NME_Main.esp

NME_DLC_Combined.esp

MoreMapMarkers.esp

Rivet City Realignment.esp

The Mantis Imperative - Jello.esp

HeirApparent.esp

Xepha's Dynamic Weather - Main + DLC Merged.esp

FO3 NPCs Travel.esp

The Mantis Imperative - Mantis.esp

K9Breeds.esp

K9BreedsPatchMMM.esp

lexx_brahmin-variant-Fo3.esp

Bobblehead Quest.esp

PLweightadjust.esp

NotSoFast.esp

Dogmeat Leather Armor - CRAFT.esp

K9BreedsMoreDogs.esp

FOOK2 - Project Beauty.esp

Project Beauty- Broken Steel.esp

FOOK - DIK - Project Beauty.esp

Dragonskin Tactical Outfit.esp

BlackWolf Backpack.esp

BlackWolf Backpack - Vendor Script Replenish.esp

BlackWolf Backpack - Blank's Container Patch.esp

PureWater-NoRad-.esp

Project Beauty- Point Lookout.esp

WinterizedT51bDX.esp

Tribal_DX.esp

Sprint Mod.esp

Akira - Simple Silenced SMG.esp

ZL-ACR.esp

PlasmaRifleAwesomefiedWMK.esp

Flashlight-LOS.esp

Advanced Recon Range Finder.esp

Chems and Meds Re-Textures Pack.esp

BornAgain Outcast v3.esp

FeralGhoulTest.esp

DragonskinBonusPack.esp

FO3_WRP.esp

Millenia_AKS74U.esp

Imperfection - Broken Steel.esp

Millenia_AK47_replacer.esp

Millenia_CombatShotgun_replacer.esp

M64MiniHideout.esp

M64MiniHideoutGOTYplugin.esp

IntoTheDeepWoods.esp

Imperfection - PL Giants.esp

Bornagain Zeta Combat Armor Texture Patch.esp

BOE Diversified.esp

BOE Diversified Optional.esp

BOED Power Armor Scaling.esp

BOED BS.esp

BOED BS Optional.esp

BOED OA.esp

BOED TP.esp

Blackened MMM + EVE + Project Beauty.esp

32S&W.esp

Existence 2.0.esp

Millenia_C96_replacer.esp

RubblePilesFix.esp

Flora Overhaul.esp

JIP Selective-Fire.esp

DCInteriors_NMCTPPatch.esp

Fo3HirezdFlamer.esp

Fo3HirezdMinigun.esp

majormodder's Junk Food to Barbeque Crisps.esp

[gromulos]

you NEED to fix those red mods, as long as you have red mods you are going to crash

 

my bet, you are missing a patch file most likely, or maybe even a master file but i doubt that, FO3Edit will tell you exactly what you are missing when it throws up the error, all you have to do is read what the error is and then fix it by adding what ever file it is telling you that you need

 

it MAY also be an incorrect load order for those particular patches, make sure the main ESM & ESP project beauty files are above any patches

Edited October 6, 2015 by gromulos

[blove]

"CrowdedCities_v2.esp" is required for "CrowdedCities, RefurbishDLC - patch.esp". Your game should not start at all.

 

Not crashing with a merged patch and then crashing with one is most likely caused by an orphan record in a list that is covered up by the last mod to change a record wins rule and is uncovered when the lists are changed by the merged patch. So you are most likely looking for an out of date compatibility patch.

[Matt714]

"CrowdedCities_v2.esp" is required for "CrowdedCities, RefurbishDLC - patch.esp". Your game should not start at all.

 

Not crashing with a merged patch and then crashing with one is most likely caused by an orphan record in a list that is covered up by the last mod to change a record wins rule and is uncovered when the lists are changed by the merged patch. So you are most likely looking for an out of date compatibility patch.

 

I modified your patch to work with Crowded Cities deluxe. :)