Dwarf /KingQueen possibility?

[Yknotu]

I don't like the choices provided a Dwarf Noble Female. The DNM can sire a child before getting exiled and come back to some intrigue. The female doesn't get anything interesting like that. Choosing between Bhelen and Harrowmont are no-brainers if you're male, he did after all kill your elder brother, frame you, and hasten the death of your father the King. The thought of remaining exiled and your son being castless is something you struggle with. These choices are true for the female as well, but there's no extenuating circumstances, like a child, to tear at your loyalties.

 

Could someone come up with a mod that puts some intrigue into being a dwarf female? Could also translate over to the dwarf male if done well to allow the DWM to be King?

 

Example? DWF= Daughter of King Aeducan

1. Already married (married with young child ...infant?..)

2. Night before announcement, husband of DWF is found murdered (would give you something in common with Alistair)

3. Rumors run rampant connecting Trian and/or Bhelen, but no hard evidence.

.......... Continue to usual story plot, Commander, Deep Roads, arrest for Trian's murder.....

4. Fearing what Bhelen will do to your son now that you are about to be exiled, you get Gorim to spirit the child away to trusted friends in the Diamond Quarter. That's why infant would be best, harder for anyone to recognize the child later.

......... Continue to usual story plot, exiled to Deep Roads, recruited by Duncan, head to Ostegar......eventually returning to Orzammar to cement alliance.

5. On return (the story could deviate at this point so the DWM has the same choices once he learns about the child with Mardy):

a. find out status of son,

b. find evidence to convict Bhelen of Trian's murder,

c. Present evidence to assembly and ask for justice.

d. kill Bhelen when challenged by him in the assembly.

e. With Harrowmont's backing, the assembly votes the DWF as QUEEN of Orzammar. However, as a Grey Warden, with obligations elsewhere, you accept the throne and appoint Harrowmont as Royal Regent for your child until you return. Should you not return (die in final battle), he remains regent until your child is of age to prove his worth as an heir of the Aeducan's. Once the entire story is played out and the Archdemon is killed, if your DWF is still alive, the story would have you return to Orzammar as Queen until the taint drives you to the Deep Roads like all Wardens (but not until your son comes of age).

 

 

[Yknotu]

Don't understand the philosophy behind denying the dwarf noble their rights as king. Afterall, Alistair gets to be King and he's a Grey Warden. So, what's the deal?

[rosvitacousland]

I am not sure about this, but I could imagine:

 

1. Alistair is the rightful heir to the throne, because he is King Maric's son and in Ferelden matters the blood line, which means from the beginning about 400 years before the Theirin family as the one and only royal house. Actually Alistair needs not to get king, in fact he is already the rightful king by blood and origin and his claim is only to be confirmed by the Landsmeet.

By contrast the dwarfes don't have a heriditary monarchie at all but a kind of elective monarchie. So the Assembly is to vote the king. The old king may designate his child as his successor but only as a suggestion. In addition the dwarfes have got several noble houses and not only one higher-ranking like the Theirins for Ferelden. As a result the dwarfen prince or princess will not automatically become king or queen at the same moment when the old king deceases.

 

2. The dwarf prince or princess has been banished. I haven't finished yet a playthrough as the dwarfen princess. Is there any act of rehabilitation? In each case he or she becomes a surface dwarf. I suppose, this could be an impendiment to become king or queen, doesn't it?

[MagdalenaDwojniak]

I like the idea behind this! It would give the Aeducans (especially f!Aeducans) and additional drive. I don't know the toolset, but from a writer's point of view, you have a good concept that can be fleshed out into something really interesting.

 

Don't understand the philosophy behind denying the dwarf noble their rights as king. Afterall, Alistair gets to be King and he's a Grey Warden. So, what's the deal?

 

I would wager a guess it is what is said by Duncan and later Loghain (if recruited): all Wardens lose their titles upon recruitment and surviving the Joining. So Aeducan (even if not exiled), upon joining the order, loses his/her prince(ss) status, a Cousland is no longer a potential heir to the teyrnir etc.

 

However, as both the base DAO epilogue slides AND Awakening prove, a Warden can improve then station. Dwarves get the Paragon status (which is above any monarch), for instance, and any Warden-Commander is also elected as Amaranthine's ruler. It is not just the influence of the Wardens in the region given to them by whoever was chosen for the throne. It is actually a title you have to take care of separately, with plots and so on (the greatest glee: have a Tabris imported into Awakening. Hilarity ensues).

[Yknotu]

I would wager a guess it is what is said by Duncan and later Loghain (if recruited): all Wardens lose their titles upon recruitment and surviving the Joining. So Aeducan (even if not exiled), upon joining the order, loses his/her prince(ss) status, a Cousland is no longer a potential heir to the teyrnir etc.

 

But that's just the point. Alistair doesn't lose his status. He drank the blood too. It's a double standard. Duncan didn't say that, once recruited everyone loses their status except Alistair. Not that I'm begrudging Alistair his right to be King. In fact, I usually follow that route every time. The Male dwarf can have a child and have something to tear at his loyalties. He doesn't know in advance Harrowmont is going to see reason about this child. Harrowmont could, in fact, shove the kid and Mardy down into Dust Town after we leave for all we know. It's just the idea that the female noble dwarf doesn't get any intrigue in her story except a little flirting with Gorim.

 

As a matter-of-fact, that gives me another idea. Should we come back to find Mardy and our son in Dust Town, it would give us a reason to go after Harrowmont.... :smile: