I Have a Question About Controllers

[ADD1CTEDGAM3R]

Hey, everyone.

 

This might sound weird to a lot of you, but I use a hybrid method for controlling my games. In my right hand is my mouse, and in my left hand is my Xbox 360 controller.

 

For most games this works fine. I simply use a program called Antimicro Controller Configurator to configure the buttons on the left half of the controller to how I want them, ans used the Logitech Gaming Software to configure the buttons on my Logitech G500 mouse.

 

However, in Fallout 4, like other Bethesda games, once you activate the controller in the game's options, the mouse and keyboard no longer work. The same goes for once you disable to controller; the mouse and keyboard will work, but not the controller.

 

Now, I can get around it with the programs I use; that's not a problem. The problem is that I can't configure the zones on the analog stick. Meaning, the WASD keys get bound to the analog stick, so I can't lightly push the stick forward to creep, push a little further to walk, and then push it all the way to jog.

 

Is there a way that I can get this to function fully? That's the only functionality I'm missing right now, but it's a pretty big annoyance for me, since I can't control my character's speed other than toggling "Always Run" on and off (but even then, it's not fully controllable). I'd love to be able to have those different zones on the analog stick, and use the keyboard and mouse at the same time.

 

Thanks in advance for any assistance! :D

[sgtmcbiscuits]

Unfortunately, currently, there's no way to do this. There's a mod for Skyrim that adds partial functionality for both KB/M and controller simultaneously, but was prone to a lot of errors. So, it's kinda possible in the engine, but there's no mod for this as of yet, and keyboards don't have sensitivity so that can't be mapped. Sorry!

[ADD1CTEDGAM3R]

I heard a rumor that it's possible with the Steam Controller. Can anyone confirm or deny this?

[Deleted3507349User]

I use a Steam Controller, and it is awesome. I'm playing FO4 with the gamepad enabled in-game, and the right trackpad emulates a trackball. It's every bit as accurate as my Logitech M570, with the added bonus that there's no ball to keep clean. I also have it set up to be able to use the command console, along with the onscreen keyboard.

[ADD1CTEDGAM3R]

I use a Steam Controller, and it is awesome. I'm playing FO4 with the gamepad enabled in-game, and the right trackpad emulates a trackball. It's every bit as accurate as my Logitech M570, with the added bonus that there's no ball to keep clean. I also have it set up to be able to use the command console, along with the onscreen keyboard.

 

Interesting. Although, that doesn't exactly confirm or deny what I've heard. Perhaps you'd be willing to try disabling the gamepad in-game and configuring the analog stick to see if the different stick zones still work?

 

EDIT: Here's a link to the post I saw on Reddit that talks about the Steam Controller being able to do what I'm looking for. https://www.reddit.com/r/SteamController/comments/3s59b3/fallout_4_controller_support_issues/cwu702x

Edited November 24, 2015 by ADD1CTEDGAM3R

[Deleted3507349User]

If you're using a KB/M config with it, then you'll get the same behavior as using WASD+SHIFT. Assuming you assigned WASD to the SC's joystick, then moving the joystick a little bit would be like pressing WASD for walking, and moving it into the outer ring zone would be like adding SHIFT to it for running.

 

Honestly though, there is no real reason to the SC with a KB/M config, use a gamepad config with gamepad enabled in-game. The only keyboard shortcuts you'll miss out on are quicksave, quickload, and always run. You'll actually have MORE hotkeys with a gamepad than with a keyboard; with a keyboard you have 0-9, with a gamepad you have 12 hotkey slots (3 on each cardinal direction of the D-pad). Plus, you'll get true proportional movement from creep to run instead of walk/run.

 

Be advised, the SC is such a different piece of hardware that it will take you a bit to get used to it, especially if you're used to the regular xbox/dualshock controllers. If you're just used to a KB and trackball mouse you'll get the feel of it faster.

[ADD1CTEDGAM3R]

If you're using a KB/M config with it, then you'll get the same behavior as using WASD+SHIFT. Assuming you assigned WASD to the SC's joystick, then moving the joystick a little bit would be like pressing WASD for walking, and moving it into the outer ring zone would be like adding SHIFT to it for running.

 

Honestly though, there is no real reason to the SC with a KB/M config, use a gamepad config with gamepad enabled in-game. The only keyboard shortcuts you'll miss out on are quicksave, quickload, and always run. You'll actually have MORE hotkeys with a gamepad than with a keyboard; with a keyboard you have 0-9, with a gamepad you have 12 hotkey slots (3 on each cardinal direction of the D-pad). Plus, you'll get true proportional movement from creep to run instead of walk/run.

 

Be advised, the SC is such a different piece of hardware that it will take you a bit to get used to it, especially if you're used to the regular xbox/dualshock controllers. If you're just used to a KB and trackball mouse you'll get the feel of it faster.

 

I'm not sure if you're misunderstanding me, or if I'm misunderstanding you...

 

Since Fallout 4 is an FPS game (as well as an RPG), I simply can't play it without using my mouse for AIMING / LOOKING. At the same time, I don't enjoy using the keyboard for MOVEMENT; I prefer the analog stick of a controller for that.

 

I'm ultimately looking to be able to continue using my mouse for AMING, the controller (be it an Xbox 360 controller of the Steam Controller) for for MOVEMENT, yet still be able to have the "true proportional movement" as you worded it. I literally play with the controller and the mouse at the exact same time, with the mouse in my right hand and the controller in my left. I'm just missing the "true proportional movement" this way. THAT'S what I want to fix.

 

If with the Steam Controller, I'd have to use the trackpad on the right half of the controller instead of my mouse, then that wouldn't really help me.

Edited November 24, 2015 by ADD1CTEDGAM3R

[Deleted3507349User]

Yep, you'd use the right trackpad...BUT (and this is the critically important bit that makes the SC so superior) you set the right trackpad to what is called 'mouse joystick'. The game sees a regular gamepad joystick input, but it works like a mouse. You can have it in regular touchpad mode or (and this is my favorite) trackball mode where it feels just like a physical trackball. You flick it with your thumb to make it 'spin' (and the haptics even make it feel like a ball spinning), tap your thumb on it to stop the spinning, or just slide your thumb around it. It works and feels just like my Logitech M570, and it's every bit as accurate...maybe more so.

 

If you're used to gaming with a trackball this will feel normal to you. Do bear in mind that you might have to tweak some sensitivity settings, spin rates, etc. to your liking. EDIT: I looked up the G500. Having it in touchpad mode would be the most similar, but again trackball mode is where it's really at.

 

As far as using it conjunction with a keyboard, well, that would not be taking advantage of what this controller can do. The entire point of this controller is that in addition to being able to play games with a gamepad that don't have gamepad support, you can play gamepad supported games but still have the precision of a mouse.

 

Long story short, you don't have to dink around trying to get a mouse working with a gamepad....the Steam Controller does that for you in one piece of hardware.

 

The SC also has an amazingly high-precision gyro, but I haven't gotten the hang of that yet. Many FPS gamer are swearing by it, though.

Edited November 24, 2015 by digitaltrucker

[ADD1CTEDGAM3R]

Personally, I'd never use a mouse with a trackball. Ever. But that's just me.

 

My hybrid mode of controller and mouse works perfectly for me in Battlefield 4, Call of Duty, Borderlands, and a myriad of other games. I've gotten so used to it that anything else just seems so strange. I don't think I'd like the trackpad of the Steam Controller more than my actual mouse, honestly.

 

So, there's no way I can get the "best of both worlds" here, even with the Steam Controller? To be able to use the controller in my left hand and have the "true proportional movement" functioning, while still being able to simultaneously use my mouse in my right hand? That's my endgame, whether I do it with an Xbox 360 Controller or the Steam Controller. Basically, I need a definitive answer as to whether or not it's possible, lol.

[Deleted3507349User]

From what you're saying you want, it doesn't seem as though the SC would offer any advantage to you. What you (and many of us) want is for Bethesda to alter the engine to allow Xinput and KB/M simultaneously. That would unlock many possibilities for me as well with the SC. I've heard of people using Autohotkey for stuff like this, but I've never tried it myself.

 

The SC is primarily aimed at people who want to game and do stuff in the living room. It's awkward trying to use a conventional mouse on the couch. That's the main reason I prefer a trackball, that and the fact that I drive a truck (wrassling a mousepad around in a truck is a PITA).

Edited November 24, 2015 by digitaltrucker