NukaKnight Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 (edited) Futile post, I found the answer to my own question. Edited December 3, 2015 by CoV27 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagrant0 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 This is arguably one of the more confusing parts of the game. Logically it has to be the synth Shaun since it doesn't make sense that Diamond city would keep Kellogg's house unoccupied for 50-60 years. Meanwhile Virgil (the person that is mentioned in Kellogg's memories) leaving the lab is a more recent event since he's still progressing with the FEV changes and has connections to Doctor Li (who was in the Capital Wasteland ~10 years ago). Even if Kellogg has been with the Institute for 70 years, and has bionic stuff keeping him young and able, the sequence of events feels very wrong. But, with this in mind, it doesn't explain why there was a 10 year old Synth version waiting for you in the institute. The institute wouldn't have known that you would go digging through Kellogg's memories since the whole process is framed like something risky/impossible. It also doesn't explain why they would have Kellogg watching over what is essentially their impressionable prototype synth for periods of time in the middle of a fairly paranoid city, just on the off-chance that you'd scan his memory, see a 10 year old, and expect one to be waiting for you in the Institute. We know that the game essentially forces you into accepting that Father is Shaun, but it all makes you wonder if this is just bad writing, or if the Institute isn't completely lying to you because you are the "backup". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
charwo Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 No, Shaun expected you to kill Kellogg and if you could do that, then use his brain to figure out how the Institute works it's transport magic.It's that extended experiment he was talking about.It was a set-up the entire time. Shaun is playing everyone in his dying days. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vagrant0 Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 No, Shaun expected you to kill Kellogg and if you could do that, then use his brain to figure out how the Institute works it's transport magic.It's that extended experiment he was talking about. It was a set-up the entire time. Shaun is playing everyone in his dying days.Right, that's the implication. But that doesn't work so well logically for the reasons I mentioned above. Too many things hinge on unknown variables. Finding Kellogg, killing Kellogg, being able to read Kellogg's mind, locating a scientist that just happened to have escaped, that scientist having enough knowledge about the teleportation system to draw up schematics, the player or people connected to the player being able to decypher and construct workable components... All to force you through the emotional roller coaster with the child synth. This is all ignoring the fact that Shaun has no firsthand knowledge of anything about the wasteland, believes heavily in the superiority of Institute technology, and scrutinizes you for working with the Railroad or Brotherhood in order to gain entry. If that's the case, the kid is a psychic, but definitely didn't see that bullet I (and probably most) put through his head on the first meeting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RelicDuDe Posted December 5, 2015 Share Posted December 5, 2015 "0 user(s) are reading this topic.." 0 members, (0 guests, 0 anonymous users) I am not here, but i like to say this anyway... Kelogg was babysitting Synth-Shaun for the "old man.." only question is, why ?.. and who is the Old man ?... Father ?.. And how would he/they even know the PC is going to Diamond City ?... Or is Mama Murphy in on the plot ?... added to the remarks of Vagrant0. .. Its all a bit too far fetched for my taste... in my most recent play-trough i haven't gotten the minute men at all.. I didn't align myself with either the BOS or the Rail-road... so now i am waiting to see what the institute will do when i refuse to join them... Should be good for a laugh or two.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
consummate707 Posted December 7, 2015 Share Posted December 7, 2015 (edited) we arrived at the same conclusions, the writing in this game is just terrible. there is no logical reason for all of the events to have transspired the way they did. what use was there for the "giant mouse trap" style cascade of near impossibilities that leads to "congrats for following the bread crumbs", your reward is meeting your son who could have just teleported to you , once he had you released from the pods, and told you everything that transpired in the 60 years he had been thawed. my initial conclusion was that once "father" saw how you couldn't be stopped, he fed you some bulls*** line about how he was your son. tricking you into believing that he was your son was the only way to stop you from utterly destroying the institute. also, what bulls*** is this:they can keep Kellog essentially in his 30's for 40+ years, but they cant stop cancer? I call bulls*** on that also. father was called out as "the big guy" (or something) in the scene where your family is murdered in the cryolab, AND when he has the synthetic shaun in Kellogs house. assuming that the kid was the synth prototype at the time, that would imply that the same person was in charge of the institute when shaun was an infant, and when you were released from cryo. its not beyond reason that father has lived past the extended life span that the institute is capable of creating and that's what is really killing him. *edit* I went with the generic preset 1 character for my first playthrough, for my second I will use a black female and a black male to see if the npc changes to a black version of father. if it does change the npc, then my final conclusion would be that father is indeed my blood child, and Bethesda has the worst writers in the history of videogames. I mean we're talking worse then "I'm sorry Mario, but our princess is in another castle!" bad. Edited December 7, 2015 by consummate707 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts