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There is a reason Bethesda games rarely bring up previous protagonists, I'd say keep up with that and NOT include the Lone Wanderer because most of the time (skyrim mods Moon and Star and Gray Cowl of Nocturnal are two good examples) it ends up with the player feeling like a person's character is being shoved down their throats.

 

At best just leave hints and references but nothing concrete like personality, gender, etc etc. It's not a good idea.

 

Or don't. Not only is he incorrect about a lot of things lore-wise like the BoS confiscating tech (they don't except one not-canon ending for Fallout 1 and non-canon endings for New Vegas) but then dissolves into trying to work in the really terrible "SARAH WAS ASSASSINATED BUT ESCAPED!" conspiracy theory that Lyons fans have been pushing without any actual evidence to back up the claim

 

The guy's ideas are pretty bad.

 

At least the post TRIES to explain Sarah's absence in FO4 rather than the BS "Oh, Sarah the very skilled and experienced soldier who have survived fight super mutants for years got killed all of the sudden but we're not gonna go into anymore detail about that and after which, The Eastern BOS went from being the reasonable and rational guys they were in FO3 to reverting back into the xenophobic a-holes they once were again."

 

Yes, because as everyone knows that if you survive one or two battles you're instantly invincible and can never be killed. /sarcasm

 

The reasoning is fine, soldiers die all the time in war. Take World War 2, there are numerous cases of soldiers that died near the end of the war when they began at the start of the war, this is how reality works soldiers are always fighting to live and they don't always make it. It doesn't matter how experienced you are if you're fighting in a war or any large scale armed conflict there is a likelihood that you can die.

 

Sarah dying in a fight with super mutants isn't outlandish and it's still better then the crap that guy wrote.

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There is a reason Bethesda games rarely bring up previous protagonists, I'd say keep up with that and NOT include the Lone Wanderer because most of the time (skyrim mods Moon and Star and Gray Cowl of Nocturnal are two good examples) it ends up with the player feeling like a person's character is being shoved down their throats.

 

At best just leave hints and references but nothing concrete like personality, gender, etc etc. It's not a good idea.

 

Or don't. Not only is he incorrect about a lot of things lore-wise like the BoS confiscating tech (they don't except one not-canon ending for Fallout 1 and non-canon endings for New Vegas) but then dissolves into trying to work in the really terrible "SARAH WAS ASSASSINATED BUT ESCAPED!" conspiracy theory that Lyons fans have been pushing without any actual evidence to back up the claim

 

The guy's ideas are pretty bad.

 

At least the post TRIES to explain Sarah's absence in FO4 rather than the BS "Oh, Sarah the very skilled and experienced soldier who have survived fight super mutants for years got killed all of the sudden but we're not gonna go into anymore detail about that and after which, The Eastern BOS went from being the reasonable and rational guys they were in FO3 to reverting back into the xenophobic a-holes they once were again."

 

Yes, because as everyone knows that if you survive one or two battles you're instantly invincible and can never be killed. /sarcasm

 

The reasoning is fine, soldiers die all the time in war. Take World War 2, there are numerous cases of soldiers that died near the end of the war when they began at the start of the war, this is how reality works soldiers are always fighting to live and they don't always make it. It doesn't matter how experienced you are if you're fighting in a war or any large scale armed conflict there is a likelihood that you can die.

 

Sarah dying in a fight with super mutants isn't outlandish and it's still better then the crap that guy wrote.

 

 

Except the terminal entries doesn't go into anymore detail about her death, Just "Oh, She simply died battle" Not Suspicious at all...

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There is a reason Bethesda games rarely bring up previous protagonists, I'd say keep up with that and NOT include the Lone Wanderer because most of the time (skyrim mods Moon and Star and Gray Cowl of Nocturnal are two good examples) it ends up with the player feeling like a person's character is being shoved down their throats.

 

At best just leave hints and references but nothing concrete like personality, gender, etc etc. It's not a good idea.

 

Or don't. Not only is he incorrect about a lot of things lore-wise like the BoS confiscating tech (they don't except one not-canon ending for Fallout 1 and non-canon endings for New Vegas) but then dissolves into trying to work in the really terrible "SARAH WAS ASSASSINATED BUT ESCAPED!" conspiracy theory that Lyons fans have been pushing without any actual evidence to back up the claim

 

The guy's ideas are pretty bad.

 

At least the post TRIES to explain Sarah's absence in FO4 rather than the BS "Oh, Sarah the very skilled and experienced soldier who have survived fight super mutants for years got killed all of the sudden but we're not gonna go into anymore detail about that and after which, The Eastern BOS went from being the reasonable and rational guys they were in FO3 to reverting back into the xenophobic a-holes they once were again."

 

Yes, because as everyone knows that if you survive one or two battles you're instantly invincible and can never be killed. /sarcasm

 

The reasoning is fine, soldiers die all the time in war. Take World War 2, there are numerous cases of soldiers that died near the end of the war when they began at the start of the war, this is how reality works soldiers are always fighting to live and they don't always make it. It doesn't matter how experienced you are if you're fighting in a war or any large scale armed conflict there is a likelihood that you can die.

 

Sarah dying in a fight with super mutants isn't outlandish and it's still better then the crap that guy wrote.

 

 

Except the terminal entries doesn't go into anymore detail about her death, Just "Oh, She simply died battle" Not Suspicious at all...

 

Oh my god, a terminal entry that is a unfinished biography about Arthur Maxson didn't mention more about Sarah! It's clearly a conspiracy orchestrated by the alien chemtrails and it was plotted at the Dallas Airport!!!!! It all makes sense!

 

Who cares if the terminal didn't describe her death in details, she died in a battle which happens, all the damn time in armed conflicts.

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There is a reason Bethesda games rarely bring up previous protagonists, I'd say keep up with that and NOT include the Lone Wanderer because most of the time (skyrim mods Moon and Star and Gray Cowl of Nocturnal are two good examples) it ends up with the player feeling like a person's character is being shoved down their throats.

 

At best just leave hints and references but nothing concrete like personality, gender, etc etc. It's not a good idea.

 

Or don't. Not only is he incorrect about a lot of things lore-wise like the BoS confiscating tech (they don't except one not-canon ending for Fallout 1 and non-canon endings for New Vegas) but then dissolves into trying to work in the really terrible "SARAH WAS ASSASSINATED BUT ESCAPED!" conspiracy theory that Lyons fans have been pushing without any actual evidence to back up the claim

 

The guy's ideas are pretty bad.

 

At least the post TRIES to explain Sarah's absence in FO4 rather than the BS "Oh, Sarah the very skilled and experienced soldier who have survived fight super mutants for years got killed all of the sudden but we're not gonna go into anymore detail about that and after which, The Eastern BOS went from being the reasonable and rational guys they were in FO3 to reverting back into the xenophobic a-holes they once were again."

 

Yes, because as everyone knows that if you survive one or two battles you're instantly invincible and can never be killed. /sarcasm

 

The reasoning is fine, soldiers die all the time in war. Take World War 2, there are numerous cases of soldiers that died near the end of the war when they began at the start of the war, this is how reality works soldiers are always fighting to live and they don't always make it. It doesn't matter how experienced you are if you're fighting in a war or any large scale armed conflict there is a likelihood that you can die.

 

Sarah dying in a fight with super mutants isn't outlandish and it's still better then the crap that guy wrote.

 

 

Except the terminal entries doesn't go into anymore detail about her death, Just "Oh, She simply died battle" Not Suspicious at all...

 

Oh my god, a terminal entry that is a unfinished biography about Arthur Maxson didn't mention more about Sarah! It's clearly a conspiracy orchestrated by the alien chemtrails and it was plotted at the Dallas Airport!!!!! It all makes sense!

 

Who cares if the terminal didn't describe her death in details, she died in a battle which happens, all the damn time in armed conflicts.

 

 

It doesn't change the fact that Sarah's death was simply part of lazy writing.

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There is a reason Bethesda games rarely bring up previous protagonists, I'd say keep up with that and NOT include the Lone Wanderer because most of the time (skyrim mods Moon and Star and Gray Cowl of Nocturnal are two good examples) it ends up with the player feeling like a person's character is being shoved down their throats.

 

At best just leave hints and references but nothing concrete like personality, gender, etc etc. It's not a good idea.

 

Or don't. Not only is he incorrect about a lot of things lore-wise like the BoS confiscating tech (they don't except one not-canon ending for Fallout 1 and non-canon endings for New Vegas) but then dissolves into trying to work in the really terrible "SARAH WAS ASSASSINATED BUT ESCAPED!" conspiracy theory that Lyons fans have been pushing without any actual evidence to back up the claim

 

The guy's ideas are pretty bad.

 

At least the post TRIES to explain Sarah's absence in FO4 rather than the BS "Oh, Sarah the very skilled and experienced soldier who have survived fight super mutants for years got killed all of the sudden but we're not gonna go into anymore detail about that and after which, The Eastern BOS went from being the reasonable and rational guys they were in FO3 to reverting back into the xenophobic a-holes they once were again."

 

Yes, because as everyone knows that if you survive one or two battles you're instantly invincible and can never be killed. /sarcasm

 

The reasoning is fine, soldiers die all the time in war. Take World War 2, there are numerous cases of soldiers that died near the end of the war when they began at the start of the war, this is how reality works soldiers are always fighting to live and they don't always make it. It doesn't matter how experienced you are if you're fighting in a war or any large scale armed conflict there is a likelihood that you can die.

 

Sarah dying in a fight with super mutants isn't outlandish and it's still better then the crap that guy wrote.

 

 

Except the terminal entries doesn't go into anymore detail about her death, Just "Oh, She simply died battle" Not Suspicious at all...

 

Oh my god, a terminal entry that is a unfinished biography about Arthur Maxson didn't mention more about Sarah! It's clearly a conspiracy orchestrated by the alien chemtrails and it was plotted at the Dallas Airport!!!!! It all makes sense!

 

Who cares if the terminal didn't describe her death in details, she died in a battle which happens, all the damn time in armed conflicts.

 

 

It doesn't change the fact that Sarah's death was simply part of lazy writing.

 

Just because you don't like it =/= lazy writing

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There is a reason Bethesda games rarely bring up previous protagonists, I'd say keep up with that and NOT include the Lone Wanderer because most of the time (skyrim mods Moon and Star and Gray Cowl of Nocturnal are two good examples) it ends up with the player feeling like a person's character is being shoved down their throats.

 

At best just leave hints and references but nothing concrete like personality, gender, etc etc. It's not a good idea.

 

Or don't. Not only is he incorrect about a lot of things lore-wise like the BoS confiscating tech (they don't except one not-canon ending for Fallout 1 and non-canon endings for New Vegas) but then dissolves into trying to work in the really terrible "SARAH WAS ASSASSINATED BUT ESCAPED!" conspiracy theory that Lyons fans have been pushing without any actual evidence to back up the claim

 

The guy's ideas are pretty bad.

 

At least the post TRIES to explain Sarah's absence in FO4 rather than the BS "Oh, Sarah the very skilled and experienced soldier who have survived fight super mutants for years got killed all of the sudden but we're not gonna go into anymore detail about that and after which, The Eastern BOS went from being the reasonable and rational guys they were in FO3 to reverting back into the xenophobic a-holes they once were again."

 

Yes, because as everyone knows that if you survive one or two battles you're instantly invincible and can never be killed. /sarcasm

 

The reasoning is fine, soldiers die all the time in war. Take World War 2, there are numerous cases of soldiers that died near the end of the war when they began at the start of the war, this is how reality works soldiers are always fighting to live and they don't always make it. It doesn't matter how experienced you are if you're fighting in a war or any large scale armed conflict there is a likelihood that you can die.

 

Sarah dying in a fight with super mutants isn't outlandish and it's still better then the crap that guy wrote.

 

 

Except the terminal entries doesn't go into anymore detail about her death, Just "Oh, She simply died battle" Not Suspicious at all...

 

Oh my god, a terminal entry that is a unfinished biography about Arthur Maxson didn't mention more about Sarah! It's clearly a conspiracy orchestrated by the alien chemtrails and it was plotted at the Dallas Airport!!!!! It all makes sense!

 

Who cares if the terminal didn't describe her death in details, she died in a battle which happens, all the damn time in armed conflicts.

 

 

It doesn't change the fact that Sarah's death was simply part of lazy writing.

 

Just because you don't like it =/= lazy writing

 

 

It's one of multiple examples of bethesda's lazy writing.

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EPU is intended as a post-main-quest experience for characters who did not side with the Brotherhood of Steel.

 

 

Why would anyone not side with the Brotherhood of Steel?

 

The Brotherhood is ridiculous at the least.............. overly aggressive, feeling as if they are the only people fit to deal with pre-war tech, condemning anyone who doesnt share their ideals, and I could keep going

 

hate it or love it, but logically the Institute is the best chance Humanity has at rebuilding the World to anything close to what it was pre-war......................

 

The Railroad reminds me of the new age Liberals, a bunch of tree-hugging hippies creating their own genders and races

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