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I've recently tried to use a watered down version of the mods I used to use, but for some reason I'm having more issues and now instant CTDs. I used TES5Edit to clean the master files, installed script extender, wrye bash, and mod organizer. After that, I added Skyrim HD Lite and Realvision Enb with ELFX, Medium version. Then I added the unofficial patch, and all the mods I was going to use (I got all of them from the Nexus except for flan's eyes, which I got through steam.) And I ran FNIS, Bodyslide, Dual Sheath Redux Patcher, and Wrye Bash all through Mod Organizer, (making new mods out of the overwrite from the changes produced by each one.) In the end, I had a load order like this:

 

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I'm also running Skyrim Startup Memory Editor.

 

Now as far as I know, I've done everything. The game runs perfectly smooth when it works. But I must have messed up somewhere because now I'm getting CTDs on startup. I just created a character, slept in the bed in the alternate start to activate the vanilla beginning, and got an instant CTD. What am I doing wrong? I'll answer any questions to narrow this down. Here was my papyrus log

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I've messed up many, many times before, so I've had to learn and relearn how to do many things. But now I'm drawing a blank. However I will note that I've never had a working game with Weapons and Armor fixes in it, but Crafting Overhaul recommended it highly.

 

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1-http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/3683320-cant-figure-out-why-ctd-papyrus-log-and-mod-list-included/&do=findComment&comment=33383570

2-http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/3683320-cant-figure-out-why-ctd-papyrus-log-and-mod-list-included/?p=33389265

3-http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/3683320-cant-figure-out-why-ctd-papyrus-log-and-mod-list-included/?p=33396375

4-http://forums.nexusmods.com/index.php?/topic/3683320-cant-figure-out-why-ctd-papyrus-log-and-mod-list-included/?p=34077560

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IF YOUR NOT ALREADY! USE LOOT! it dosnt look like you are (and not mod organizers loot ewither. downlaod the original)

 

I am currently using a lot of the mods in your list rite now or ones that i was going to use and since replaced with better. run for your lives can be replaced with immersive citizens (i beive its called) and the better crime rate can be gotten rid of just use the tweak settings in wyrebash when you make a bashed patch. speaking of which the only thing that should be under bashed patch is your dual sheath patch. also i want to say your likely missing patches for your climates of tamrial because i know there are lots for them and id actually recommend using Purity instead (with or without the optional landscape patches)

if your using climates of tamrial winter edition there are a lot of things that dont have patches for that. ELFX has more patches too.

 

Im going to post a link to a perkus maximus load order that includes many mods listed. ignore the perkus plugins.

also im going to post my own load order (i am experiencing minnor crashes sometimes unfortunately not sure why yet) but it should help with knowing what patches there are and order for ELFX and other things

 

PS: just noticed you have ELFX exteriors. that does not work with climates of tamrial as it has its own lighting. you have to install only the interiors!

annnd some of your CoT patches are above Cot i do belive. (nope was wrong on that one though they should be at the bottom ish of load order)

 

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http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/59257/?tab=5&&navtag=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.nexusmods.com%2Fskyrim%2Fajax%2Fcomments%2F%3Fmod_id%3D59257%26page%3D1%26sort%3DDESC%26pid%3D0%26thread_id%3D2213034&pUp=1

 

 

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  On 1/16/2016 at 6:08 PM, Darkomen43 said:

Error: File "fiss.esp" does not exist or is not currently loaded.

 

Id recommend getting FISS as well and that is the last thing in your log so it may very well be your problem though as stated above your load order is...uhh.....ya....

 

I used Mod Organizer's "sort" function. I've seen many guides that said loot is fully integrated with that, but I have no problem downloading it independently if it's better that way. But pages shouldn't say that if it's not true. =/ I've been following guides, instructions, and doing things by the book reading each mod page to have whatever the mod says I need. These sorts of directions shouldn't be leading people toward CTDs. The fact that they are isn't on me, I didn't write them. I'm not trying to be defensive, but how am I supposed to learn anything anymore when half the information out there is wrong? For example, you ask why I have Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp below my bashed patch? Because it told me to. Because when I click on "Weapons & Armor_TrueWeaponsLvlLists.esp" in MO and read its description, it says it needs to be placed under bashed patch to fix something that bashing apparently undoes in the mod. Another example: ELFX exteriors. I installed that one because Realvision's page (which is designed to work with CoT) specifically says, verbatim, under its option B path for ELFX, "Install core + enhancer. It's recommended to use exterior module also." So yeah, not my fault. And as far as I know, none of the mods I installed ever mentioned needing FISS for compatibility, nor are any of them listed on FISS's page as mods using it.

 

I appreciate your reply though, I don't mean to sound like I don't. It's just frustrating that I end up feeling like a fool for following instructions. Instructions shouldn't be misleading you, that defeats their whole purpose. Anyway, so since I last wrote, I redid my setup, grinding it down even further and removing mods that have often caused me issues, and started a new save. Yet I still got a CTD just now. Here is my recent mod list:

 

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And here was my papyrus after the crash today:

 

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Now I'm going to follow your suggestions. First here is my mod list after I install LOOT independently (as administrator) and use it:

 

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And then here is my mod list after I redo things applying your other instructions. Reinstalled ELFX without exteriors, installed FISS, got rid of crime radius and included that tweak in the bashed patch. However, I didn't install Immersive Citizens because it looks more comprehensive than I'm looking for and I don't want to risk more compatibility issues, so I kept Run for Your Lives and When Vampires Attack. I hope these two mods are at least functional, even if they aren't modern. Here it is after I used LOOT:

 

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Lastly, a few details: I know CoT can be difficult to work with, but the reason I use it along with Realvision and ELFX, along with Skyrim HD is because I cannot get over how beautiful I find Riften to be with this combo. I love the foggy effect, the lighting, and the night. But I'm absolutely open to alternatives to make my game look pretty for less of a hit. Also, you may've noticed I'm not using unofficial HD textures patch, reason being some web pages say the unofficial patch will only work with my Skyrim HD if I add the original HD textures to some note file somewhere or something, and I'm afraid I'm still too confused about it to prioritize it. As far as I know though, I'm not using Winter edition of CoT. And I looked for additional CoT patches for some of my other mods but I'm afraid to no avail. Anyway, I'll try a new game with this setup and I'll let you know if I get anymore CTDs. Let me know if there's anything I should still ideally change. I appreciate your help again, sorry if I seemed argumentative. I'm just frustrated and tired of feeling dumb.

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I have a lot of things to try, but rather than list them here I'd rather just point you to this troubleshooting guide. If you're willing to keep working on this issue I think it will be helpful.

Your initial papyrus log made me worry that XPMSE might have an issue in its setup. Have you checked its MCM info page to make sure you've passed all its checks?

Also your LOOT-sorted order still looks a bit weird to me. When you ran it you hit "sort" and then 'apply", right?

And you seem to be missing the unofficial high res dlc patch? That won't cause CTDs but it can cause things to look really weird.

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  On 1/17/2016 at 12:16 AM, Thallassa said:

I have a lot of things to try, but rather than list them here I'd rather just point you to this troubleshooting guide. If you're willing to keep working on this issue I think it will be helpful.

 

Your initial papyrus log made me worry that XPMSE might have an issue in its setup. Have you checked its MCM info page to make sure you've passed all its checks?

 

Also your LOOT-sorted order still looks a bit weird to me. When you ran it you hit "sort" and then 'apply", right?

 

And you seem to be missing the unofficial high res dlc patch? That won't cause CTDs but it can cause things to look really weird.

Thanks for your reply. Answers:

-In my follow-up post I installed loot properly instead of using the mod organizer one, and used that to sort my order. Yup, I clicked "Apply".

-As I mentioned, I'm not using the unofficial high res dlc patch because of its apparent issues of not being able to be overwritten by other texture packs or something unless I type the high-res packs into some config pad file somewhere. I can't entirely remember the whole reason why, but it was a complicated issue that sounded something like that. However, I'm thinking of ditching Skyrim HD altogether and just sticking with the original high-def textures, so I may get the unofficial patch then.

-I've taken photos of what my XMPSE settings look like in the SkyUI interface and attached them to this post.

-Also noticed a new problem: For some reason I'm also unable to get into Whiterun during "Before the Storm" even though the quest directs me to the Jarl through the doors. I've talked to Gerdur, and the gate guard is there, but he's not approaching me. I'm playing the Vanilla Start, but I'm wondering if Alternate Start might be causing the problem, or guard dialogue overhaul?

 

In my latest iteration of the game that I designed at the end of my first follow-up, I haven't CTD'd yet, but I'm experiencing the Whiterun issue.

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Update post #3. I have some vague memory of the guard issue being related to UFO's experiment version, so I went with UFO's earlier stable version. Redid my Bashed Patch, sorted with LOOT and clicked "Apply". Began a new game with vanilla start. Didn't even get all the way through the first conversation with Gerdur outside when I got a CTD.

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EDIT: Just noticed on your troubleshooting guide the thing about UFO being unstable. I think I'm going to work on a third redo of Skyrim after reading through the guide extensively. But in the meantime, feel free to diagnose my existing loadouts for any other issues they might have had (or let me know if LOOT is acting weird pretty plz). I appreciate your help so far.

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The part I'm confused about with that load order is why FISS and FNIS are at the bottom of it. They should be at the top, above any mods that require them. I guess LOOT put them there? That's very strange. The rest looks ok to me.

There's no magic involved in using the unofficial high res DLC patch. It works fine with Skyrim HD and other texture mods. Just install and go. If you're using MO put it near the top of your install order.

As far as the rest I don't have specific ideas. Might have to be "try things until it works properly".

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  On 1/19/2016 at 4:50 PM, Thallassa said:

The part I'm confused about with that load order is why FISS and FNIS are at the bottom of it. They should be at the top, above any mods that require them. I guess LOOT put them there? That's very strange. The rest looks ok to me.

 

There's no magic involved in using the unofficial high res DLC patch. It works fine with Skyrim HD and other texture mods. Just install and go. If you're using MO put it near the top of your install order.

 

As far as the rest I don't have specific ideas. Might have to be "try things until it works properly".

Okay, in my latest loadout, I've gotten rid of ENBs. It appears that the ENB was causing me the lion's share of my crashes so I've sworn off the damn things, they're just not worth it. I've found some fancy alternatives that look almost as pretty, and I've been using those along with purity to replace CoT. I've been able to play my game pretty effectively, sometimes for hours on end. Unfortunately, I've had two CTDs. I thought the first one was a fluke because I was running a browser in the background and I figured it was taking up too much ram. But the second one happened just now and my computer was entirely committed to Skyrim at the time. My game also froze once last night when I was leaving the inn in Rorikstead, and occasionally I still get the problem with a normally smooth-running town cell giving me stuttering until I alt+tab in and out. Lastly, the axe and the wolf's head over the fireplace in my Witchwood house mod had blue missing textures until I reinstalled that mod. Here is my current loadout (sorted by LOOT) and my latest papyrus:

 

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