Spy on Your Neighbors for Homeland Security

[evilneko]

:thumbsup: Thumbs up, Aurielius.

 

While the right to a speedy trial (for some definitions of speedy, anyway) may be one given constitutionally, surely there's something similar within the body of military law that would apply to prisoners, whether "of war" or not.

 

If not then, well, it's as you said, antithetical to our values. As such it would be a problem in need of a fix.

[kevkiev]

Excellent vid, thanks for posting Harbringe.

 

I'd wager a lot of you are now on the "list." Lol. (That's nervous laughter btw.)

[WizardOfAtlantis]

I will try and cease to derail the debate (your words) and tell you that although I agree one hundred percent with what you say regarding the behaviour of the CIA, I'm not entirely certain that it is germane to this particular subject of Homeland Security and spying on your neighbors.

No, no, it's okay. http://www.thenexusforums.com/public/style_emoticons/dark/smile.gif (and I've hijacked your font as I've grown to like it! thankshttp://www.thenexusforums.com/public/style_emoticons/dark/biggrin.gif)

I only brought up the derailing thing because I myself was being accused of derailing the argument (because I guess I was being too cryptic and didn't explain my reasoning well enough, hence that very long post). As for the CIA, I only included them to show that there are those (not necessarily the CIA) making decisions that are grey and how that greyness can be manipulated in the Grand Scheme.

I didn't consider any of this derailing the argument, actually. I'm surprised it was directed at me, that's all, and I just wanted to swing the mirror around a bit just to show that I could have.

Much of my personal opinion of the CIA in this particular matter is very well summed up like this:

I have somewhat mixed feeling as to CIA / NSA activities overseas. I see them as our proactive defense which means stopping our terror opponents before they get up enough steam to carry out another attack, this game is definitely being fought without the Marquis of Queensbury rules of conduct. I do not think that we can apply a totally civilian perspective to what is after all a very dirty war. Though I should say that once we have them in custody and have neutralized their current operations we should bring them to trial, I have no conflict with the concept of a Military Court being just. However detention without ANY trial is antithetical to our American values. There is such a thing as a Senate Oversight Committee to reign in excesses of our intelligence services and am reasonably sure that given the composition of the committee it will not gloss over violations of the CIA / NSA charters.

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The rest of Aurielius's post is there, didn't want to make it seem *invisible*, but the color scheme is what it is...

There are dirty and almost entirely thankless jobs that have to be done for a particular agenda to be met, and I'm glad the CIA is there to do their part. As to what they get away with and how much darkness they have to shoulder to do it, those are judgment calls left for others to make.

 

 

Edited April 19, 2011 by WizardOfAtlantis